[Discussion] Uliquorra R2 vs Starkk and Barragan
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Oh well then. Starrk was complaining not because he weak, but because he was a lazy ass. Also, you stated it too, people that are too strong. Ukitake, Kyoraku, Love and those two other captains. Yeah right, and he was actually winning if it wasn't for that tricky ability of Kyoraku's shikai. Kyoraku wanted to go Bankai if Ukitate hadn't stopped him, meaning that he wasn't strong enough in that state and would have used bankai if others wouldn't have joined. Well, I guess that's how strong Starrk was. And Los Lobos were not the wolves, but his resurrection.
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According to Tite Kubo [
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], "They are each given number, based on their skill level". Espadas are ranked based on their abilities. Just for the fact that Barragan is a debetable in your opinion, prove that Starrk has better chanced than him. Should I stop now?1. No. Starrk is so fast that can speed blitz Bankai Ichigo and Zaraki Kenpachi, take Orihime and leave their place in second, and that coming from the other courner of Las Noches. Not to mention that he done that in base. Any Ulquiorra speed feat don't even come close to that.
2. Strength? I don't remember much strength feats from both, so I don't remember how you come to opinion that Ulq is better. The only thing I remember is that Ulquiorra was trashed by Ichigo.
3. I wouldn't say that Ulq is more durable than Starrk, Starrk was able to fight even after he took sword through his chest.
4. What DC? Lanza. Ulq has yet to master his Lanza and 2nd state, that will never hit Starrk. Also with just around 13 ceros (Cero Metralleta), Kyoraku would use bankai against that attack. Not to mention that Starrk on top of that can fire 1000 ceros at the same time. That's nearly 100 times more powerful than Metralleta. Yeah, this attack easily take out Ulquiorra.
Lanza will age in contact with Respira, wich would make his attack useless. Once lost limps will never grow back again, if i remember correctly.
Show me what will Ulq do except for escaping. Once he will get hit by it.
This is not an argument.
Still way better than just being trashed around. Can you give me proof or any decent reason why I would believe that Ulquiorra can defeat all of them in one blow. Also, could you prove that Ulq can take whole SS.
As I said, he yet has to master Lanza and Starrk showed way better speed feats.
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The only hollows that died around Starrk were weak ones.
The same could have been true for any of the other Voste Lorde.
The only reason Stark decided to split his soul is because he was too much of a b!tch to be alone where as a real warrior like Ulquiorra wouldn't care.
All of the Vizords at that time were weaker than experienced bankai hollow mask Ichigo, which Ulquiorra effortlessly embarrassed like a preschooler.
Ichigo was too weak for Ulquiorra at that time, but hollow-horned Ichigo was too strong for him. Starrk fought against multiple enemies and did a fairly average job, but Ulquiorra's abilities are better than Starrk's.
Starrk became vulnerable the moment he used his resurrection because at that point Lylinette became vulnerable for defeat which weakened Starrk.
His so called feats are garbage compared to Ulquiorra, so until you prove to me what Starrk can do to kill Ulquiorra, you are just noise.
Ulquiorra was also the only character in the series whose reiatsu has been described and shown to have a physical presence, and as heavy as an ocean.
And don't say it doesn't mean anything because Uryu has fought a captain in his Bankai before, and Ishida says that "this doesn't compare to anything he's ever felt before." Please show me where any of the other Espada have ever had a description like this.
And R2 Ulquiorra was not included in that rank list, which means that the numbers would have been different had Aizen known about his 2nd release, and don't be that fool that tries to come up with some off the wall bullshit about how Aizen "actually did know" because he didn't. If you want to make up some stupid excuse like that then prove to me how he did know, otherwise don't bring it up.
Ichigo couldn't even see or react to Ulquiorra's movements only until he went hollow, so Kyoraku must be much faster than Ichigo if he can keep up with Starrk.
Him speedblitzing those two is hardly a feat, when R2 Ulquiorra has shown greater speed and was able to fight on par with Hollow Horn Ichigo's movements but not follow through.
Nonetheless, I remember Ulquiorra appearing behind Grimmjow and blitzing him and no one noticed.
You want to bring up Starrk speedblitzing Kenpachi and Ichigo from behind, but a spedblitz from behind is much easier than a speedblitz [url"http://3.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/40-345.0/compressed/bleach_345_sleepyfans.16.jpg"]from the front, with your guard up and telling your opponent to get ready.[/url]
Ichigo is fast enough to escape Senbonzakura and deflect it, but even in his enhanced hollow form he couldn't keep up with Ulquiorra's speed. Starrk is fast though, but Ulquiorra is faster.
Kyoraku blocked Starrk's cero's with relative ease and even dodged Metralleta.
The speed gap isn't large but Ulquiorra is slightly faster.
Ulquiorra has better defense and regenerative feats.
Ulquiorra has much strength. I can't say the same for Starrk against Kyoraku or the Vizords.
Okay bro. We'll just act like that Cero that arm that he lost or that Cero that he took point blank didn't mean anything.
Do you even know what durability is. I don't think you do.
Call me back when Stark can remove organs from his body and continue on his daily life or call me back when Starrk can fight with one arm. Please call me when you can show me that. Please.
Ulquiorra's feats:
I think we know which attack is more powerful.
At this point, I think you are just trying to argue at everything I am trying to prove to you just to be annoying and ignorant. That wasn't my point when I said that he had more DC than Starrk. Him not being able to master Lanza does not take away from the fact that he has showed greater Destructive Capacity than Starrk, and I dare you to show me what Starrk has on Ulquiorra's Lanza.
What can Starrk's offensive capabilities do to Ulquiorra's defensive capabilities?
Ulquiorra was able to man-handle Hollow Bankai Ichigo, who was also able to defeat Kenpachi and Byakuya. So unless you want to tell me that they are weak captains, it should be pretty obvious how strong Ulquiorra is, let alone R2 Ulquiorra.
Aizen left Ulq in charge of Hueco Mundo for a reason, because he most likely knew about Ulq's true strength.
Can Starrk dodge it? Possibly.
Does it make a difference? No.
You can't even prove to me what Starrk has to even hit Ulquiorra and your only prove are those fodder 1000 ceros which didn't do shit to Kyoraku.
The same could have been true for any of the other Voste Lorde.
The only reason Stark decided to split his soul is because he was too much of a b!tch to be alone where as a real warrior like Ulquiorra wouldn't care.
I don't care if he is lazy or not. Ulquiorra was just not a b!tch, which becomes very vital in a fight.
The Vizords are fodders and none of them could have beaten Ulquiorra.
All of the Vizords at that time were weaker than experienced bankai hollow mask Ichigo, which Ulquiorra effortlessly embarrassed like a preschooler.
I don't care for your excuses.
Ichigo was too weak for Ulquiorra at that time, but hollow-horned Ichigo was too strong for him. Starrk fought against multiple enemies and did a fairly average job, but Ulquiorra's abilities are better than Starrk's.
I know what his Los Lobos is, and it's irrelevant.
Starrk became vulnerable the moment he used his resurrection because at that point Lylinette became vulnerable for defeat which weakened Starrk.
More like Starrk is overrated as hell.
His so called feats are garbage compared to Ulquiorra, so until you prove to me what Starrk can do to kill Ulquiorra, you are just noise.
I also laugh at people who try to use Starrk's number as a means for him being stronger, which obviously doesn't come into play since Ulquiorra never showed his 2nd release to anyone, not even Aizen, which is the big keynote since he was the one to create the list.
Ulquiorra was also the only character in the series whose reiatsu has been described and shown to have a physical presence, and as heavy as an ocean.
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And R2 Ulquiorra was not included in that rank list, which means that the numbers would have been different had Aizen known about his 2nd release, and don't be that fool that tries to come up with some off the wall bullshit about how Aizen "actually did know" because he didn't. If you want to make up some stupid excuse like that then prove to me how he did know, otherwise don't bring it up.
Implying that Bankai Ichigo and Kenpachi are faster than R2 Ulquiorra?
Ichigo couldn't even see or react to Ulquiorra's movements only until he went hollow, so Kyoraku must be much faster than Ichigo if he can keep up with Starrk.
Him speedblitzing those two is hardly a feat, when R2 Ulquiorra has shown greater speed and was able to fight on par with Hollow Horn Ichigo's movements but not follow through.
Nonetheless, I remember Ulquiorra appearing behind Grimmjow and blitzing him and no one noticed.
You want to bring up Starrk speedblitzing Kenpachi and Ichigo from behind, but a spedblitz from behind is much easier than a speedblitz [url"http://3.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/40-345.0/compressed/bleach_345_sleepyfans.16.jpg"]from the front, with your guard up and telling your opponent to get ready.[/url]
Ichigo is fast enough to escape Senbonzakura and deflect it, but even in his enhanced hollow form he couldn't keep up with Ulquiorra's speed. Starrk is fast though, but Ulquiorra is faster.
Kyoraku blocked Starrk's cero's with relative ease and even dodged Metralleta.
The speed gap isn't large but Ulquiorra is slightly faster.
Ulquiorra has better defense and regenerative feats.
Yes because he was showing that same speed while facing against Kyoraku. -laughs-
It doesn't surprise me that you would say this, given that you probably didn't even read the figth, but I remember Ulquiorra throwing Ichigo across Los Noches like a kick ball. Ulquiorra could also block a full powered Ichigo's Getsuga while just standing in his first release. I'm sure that would be enough to block the Starrk's sorry little Cero's.
Ulquiorra has much strength. I can't say the same for Starrk against Kyoraku or the Vizords.
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Okay bro. We'll just act like that Cero that arm that he lost or that Cero that he took point blank didn't mean anything.
Do you even know what durability is. I don't think you do.
Call me back when Stark can remove organs from his body and continue on his daily life or call me back when Starrk can fight with one arm. Please call me when you can show me that. Please.
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At this point, I think you are just trying to argue at everything I am trying to prove to you just to be annoying and ignorant. That wasn't my point when I said that he had more DC than Starrk. Him not being able to master Lanza does not take away from the fact that he has showed greater Destructive Capacity than Starrk, and I dare you to show me what Starrk has on Ulquiorra's Lanza.
You're right, it probably won't hit Starrk, but does Starrk have anything that can hit Ulquiorra.
What can Starrk's offensive capabilities do to Ulquiorra's defensive capabilities?
I don't remember Kyoraku using his bankai.
And not one of those Cero's took out Kyoraku Lol
Regeneration negates all of this, and if Starrk fires Cero's at Barragan then I guess, he will make useless attacks too, since the Cero's will just age.
If he escapes then how will he get hit by it?
Neither is your entire post.
Stupid response. If Starrk was fighting against that same Hollow Ichigo, he would have ended up worse and the funny thing is that Starrk can't regenerate.
Where did I say he could defeat all of them? Bar Kyoraku and Ukitake, he crushes the Vizords easily.
Ulquiorra was able to man-handle Hollow Bankai Ichigo, who was also able to defeat Kenpachi and Byakuya. So unless you want to tell me that they are weak captains, it should be pretty obvious how strong Ulquiorra is, let alone R2 Ulquiorra.
Aizen left Ulq in charge of Hueco Mundo for a reason, because he most likely knew about Ulq's true strength.
I guess you missed the AoE of Lanza then.
He has yet to master Lanza? Yes I think we get that now, but I don't see how that retarded statement holds much weight here. It still doesn't negate the level of impact.
Can Starrk dodge it? Possibly.
Does it make a difference? No.
You can't even prove to me what Starrk has to even hit Ulquiorra and your only prove are those fodder 1000 ceros which didn't do shit to Kyoraku.
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I agree that Starrk number can't be used against 2nd etapa, however Ulq secunda etapa don't make him stronger.
Yammy called Ulquiorra trash, after feeling his reaitsu, so what are you talking about?
Ofc, Ulquiorra never felt something like that before. Captain he fought is around as powerful as 8th Espada. How is 4 ranks below Ulquiorra's 1st etapa.
Ulquiora in base was able to overpower Bankai Ichigo. Grimmjow (6th) couldn't do that in full power. Szayel is even below Grimmjow. So can you imagine power difference between 2nd etapa Ulq and Mayuri?
2nd etapa Ulq > 1st etapa Ulq > Base Ulq > Full powered Grimmjow > Mayuri
No surprise that Uryuu feelt it like ocean.
You are the one who brought up, Barragan being debetable. I was just pointing out that Starrk > Barragan. So if Starrk is stronger than Barragan (which he is), than there is no debetable in this situation.
And don't try to shift the burden.
Just implying how fast Starrk is in BASE.
What's the problem with that?
Ulq was never able to fight on par with HIchgo.
Grimm is not good equalivent since he never got in contact with Starrk
1. Page don't work.
2. It's not that he just speedblitzed, but that Ichigo or Zaraki never noticed Starrk's reiatsu. Which mean that Starrk come from place A (where he was been) to place B (where Zaraki and Ichigo are) in moment.
How Ichigo dodging Senbonzakura prove that Ulq > Starrk in speed?
If Ukitake didn't pop in, Kyoraku would need to use his bankai, that's what he himself said. Metralleta is just around 13 ceros, Starrk can fire 1000 of them.
I can't agrue against regenerative.
That only give + to Kyoraku's speed, that don't downplay Starrk.
As I said I don't remember. Also, you could share a page.
Full powered Getsuga Tensho (Ichigo against Aizen was stronger than Ichigo against Ulquiorra) was easily blocked by Aizen's kido. Kyoraku cracked that same kido. So Ichigo's GTs aren't that good like you are implying.
Ulquiorra was turned into dust after he removed his organs. So how did he continued with his daily life?
First picture don't work.
13 ceros would force Kyoraku in bankai. What will 1000 do? Do your homework...
Wolves, Metralleta, 1000 ceros.
Because Ukitake pop in, if he didn't Kyoraku would use it. He said that himself.
Same as above. Because Ukitake pop in, if he didn't Kyoraku would use it. He said that himself.
Maybe. BUt we know that Aizen ranked Barragan lower than Starrk, based on their abilities, so....
How will he win if he just escapes?
Proof that he would end worse? Or I would just say "Stupid response".
You never mentioned Ukitake, you just said bar Kyoraku. You also still need to prove that Ulq will take all of them in one blow.
Byakuya and Zaraki, at least their pre war versions were weak compared to Kyoraku, Ukitake, Visoreds.
You said that Aizen didn't know about Ulq's true strength, and now you are talking that he knew about it... Really?
No...
AoE of Lanza is not even big as Las Noches. No way that it can destroy SS>
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Starrk never used 1000 ceros against Kyoraku. He used Metralleta. Go see Metralleta and count ceros...