Hashirama defeated an EMS user in Madara, he knows all the EMS tricks like Susanoo, Amaterasu etc
how do you know he knows amaterasu?
if even madara could not won hashi, i DOUBT that sasuke and itachi could do any better
edo itachi is superior to alive madara. and hashirama knows nothing about itachi in this fight. so tsukiyomi + chidori spear = dead hashirama
ok, remember tobirama created the Edo tensei.
So he would know some tricks about edo's regardless
he didnt summon itachi so he cant unsummon him anyway
Tobirama also had the lightning blade in his possession
filler
senju bros they faced the uchiha's in almost every battle so they obviously have experience with fighting the sharingan
every uchiha has a different fighting style and no knowledge about their opponents means theyve never heard of tsukiyomi or amaterasu
lmao a guy who defeated madara + kyuubi, and collected many bijuus is wayyyy too much for the uchiha bros.
post scans of him doing this. oh wait its just worthless hype we know next to nothign about how and why he was able to somehow win
Senju Bros.
They are far more powerful than Itachi and Sasuke; Hashirama has Wood Style and regeneration, Tobirama can summon water and may be able to use Edo Tensei himself.
Tobirama might be able to seal away Edo Itachi with his knowledge of the technique.
both get oneshotted by genjutsu. sasuke paralysed bee in 2 secs who was only broken because of hachibi. itachi oneshotted kakashi who did know how to fight a sharingan. nothing they can do if they cant move
show proof he can use multiple wood clones
Mokuton clonez+Edo tensei= Easy win for Team Senju
both need hand seals. itachi and sasuke are faster than hand seals with their eye powers
strongest uchiha ever admitted that the senju was the strongest clan and hashi was better than him haha
madara has NEVER said that
Fact is, Hashirama defeated someone who used Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukuyomi etc..
how in the hell do you know? did you see tht fight?
The exact same techniques which make up 90% of the Uchiha bro's arsenal. Have the Uchiha bro's every fought a Mokuton user?
too bad this fight has a rule on it: no knowledge. so hashirama may assume he can survive tsukyomi when in fact itachis the only one with his time manipulating variation. tsukiyomi is faster than mokuton. and we dont know what tobirama's s/t jutsu is
I cant see Hashirama losing to a sharringan user seeing as he owned Madara hard who had the kyubbi as well... then it would be 2v1
actually he was bleeding and lost the use of one eye. and madara lost kurama to mito who was there aiding hashirama. madara survived with a piece of hashiramas power which is all he came for. the fight has no intel for either team so hashirama has no way of knowing sasuke can chidori spear his head off.
just stop posting that hashi was being controlled by oro, which means that hashi was no where close from the real one.
actually he was. dont deny it. nagato did just fine when kabuto didnt know his full abilities
In addition, the databook has stated that one can only use susanoo after unlocking amaterasu and tsukyomi.
sasuke said you can do it after unlocking MS in both eyes. sasuke > some outdated databook bullshit
'Madara became one of the few to awaken Susanoo, as a result of awakening Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in both eyes.'
yet has never demonstrated either power yet
The same applies to hashi oro had no idea about hashi+ tobirama fighting style.
and yet he knew about the darkness genjutsu which we never saw again and never heard madara talk about
The proof is that tobirama didnt even use space\time ninjutsu, lighting sword etc
we dont know what his s/t jutsu even is. maybe he did use it. and lightning swords filler
Senju for sure i mean the first hokage beat madara and madara could beat sasuke and itachi together
a > b and b > c doesnt mean a > c
sasuke is a ***** he hasnt really been in a real battle
wrong
. Sasukes main batles with the clouds kage was good but he barely survived and tobi has saved his ass like 3 times now....... with danzo and the against the earth peoples kage also woulda died against killer bee haha
but he didnt die and thats proof of his immense power wielding the perfect MS
and you're just being stupid or naive if you think tobirama can't deal with an edo, much less an edo Uchiha, he and Hashirama are the Prime ninja when it comes to dealing with Uchiha.
the only reason kabuto could do something about itachi is he was the one who summoned him. just knowing about it isnt enough. and how are they the prime ninja? the prime ninja for taking out an uchiha is someone completely immune to their genjutsus and flames.
You put Sasuke and Itachi up against the worst match up they can possibly have
the worst matchup would be a fellow uchiha fighting alongside kabuto or naruto vs uchiha bros. since madara kabuto together can take out anything the bros throw at them
the 1st hokage can just grow a new body limb instantly
wtf? when has he done this? when has tsunade done this?
lol, Hashirama has won already, Madara is demonstrating everything Hashirama is capable of,
the problem is we need hashirama to demonstrate it himself
Hashirama tells Tobirama to handle his light work for him. LOl this thread is a fail.
Sasuke and Itachi don't stand a chance. Madara praises Hashirama like he loves him or something.
hashirama eats tsukiyomi.
Sasuke has no sense of battle strategy
um no hes one of the most cool headed intelligent fighters in the entire manga
Hell, even with EMS, he STILL takes orders from Itachi.
he takes orders because itachi is his big brother and knows more about their mission to stop ET.
Senju Bros. Mid diff. They have much more experience in teamwork than Itachi and Sasuke. And they know all about the Sharingan.
theyve never heard or seen itachis tsukiyomi before, and have never seen someone manipulate amaterasu or find totsuka
this is how amaterasu is blocked. the moment a bleeding eye is seen a water wall is put up. hashirama could put up a wood wall as well
the rules state no knowledge so they wouldnt know wtf is happenning when sasuke looks at them and sets them on fire
this is how all eye contact for genjutsu is negated.
sharingan has been shown to see through/negate any kind of visual genjutsu
If the senju can stand against madara and his clan I think they can take down gay sasuke and his brother
they eat a double tsukiyomi due to zero intel.
So yes, Hashi has defeated a user of both amaterasu and susanoo, + the 9-tails by his side.
we dont know how or what jutsus were specifcally used. maybe because he had kurama he couldnt use any of the draining MS jutsus. maybe because of mito making it 2 vs1 he had to fake his death
Itachi and Sasuke would be no match for him
hashi has no counter for not looking itachi in the eye with no intel
And you say they lost to Hiruzen? First of all, they were controlled by Orochimaru, meaning they didn't fight at their full potential
irrelevant. its still them and they still used abilities we never heard from again like tobiramas suiton was ignored for his ET and darkness was ignored for healing
And don't forget that Tobirama knows the edo tensei inside out, edo Itachi would be no obstacle for him.
speculation on your part
Plus both of the senju bro's have tons of experience in fighting Uchiha
as far as we know only hashirama has ever faced one single MS user and all MS's are different. when he walks up to itachi to fight him, itachi wont have his sharingan activated so hashi would think "lol what is this chump doin-OH GOD". and itachis an edo so no dying for him.
This is a complete rape. The Senju brothers take this low difficulty. Senju grew up fighting and dealing with Uchihas, so this will be just another day in the life.
itachi and sasuke wouldnt have their sharingans activated at the start of a battle. hashirama and tobirama spent their life fighting fodders with 3 tomoe at best. itachi would quickly reveal his MS and hashi would scream, since hed be trapped.
Is that a good idea lol considering Tobirama was the one who created the jutsu
irrelevant. if your not the summoner you cant cancel the zombie
Tobirama was a space-time ninja
really? whats it called? how does it work?
This thread is a waste. Senju bros would crush them.
with what? itachi cant die or get tired and they have no intel on tsuki
the older brother killed the strongest Uchiha we've seen yet
no he didnt since madara knows nagato and obito. and itachi CANT die so its really irrelevant
how do the uchiha bros win?
no intel on amaterasu or tsukiyomi meaning they are techs neither brother have ever seen before, and itachi has immortality
f hashirama can handle madara he can handle itachi
their fighting styles are completely different. itachi aims for bunshin feint + genjutsu rape every single fight. madaras only fought once but it seems he favours muslce and trying to overpower everyone with susano spam. handling some alive dude trying to get his cells doesnt mean he can seal an edo zombie
if itachi by some miracle caught hashirama in genjutsu
look at OP. no knowledge. meaning hashirama has no idea itachi is even an uchiha when the fight starts. let alone can win by looking at someone. finger genjutsu can hold him down while sasuke chidori spears him in the face.
since hashirama was obviously avoiding genjutsu from the strongest uchiha in history
or he found some counter for it we dont know about yet which wont work here because he isnt aware of any of itachis abilities or sasuke's
once itachi finishes casting the genjutsu on a wood clone
theres no way hashis forming seals for a wood clone before he looks at itachis eyes
The fact Madara and Izuna couldn't killed Hashirama and Tobirama should be enough to put to rest this stupid argument of Itachi and Sasuke beating the Senju Combo.If two brothers like Madara and Izuna who base off the power we have seen from Madara (minus hashirama's abilities and the rinnegan techs) and the manga stating Izuna was very close to his skill level, couldn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama, how exactly can two lesser Uchiha's in Itachi and Sasuke have a chance?
there no real evidence they are actually lesser uchihas. theres no proof izuna or tobirama were involved in the fights or VOTE. hashi fought madara for years and learnt everything about him. and there may have been stipulations on their VOTE duel. still senju bros < an immortal zombie spamming totsuka sword
Hashirama and Tobirama will pawn EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi.
Because of this: How in the hell do they stand a chance when Hashirama fought EMS Madara on a regular basis, survived, and defeated him even with Kyuubi as Madara's summon
they fought on a regular basis without kyuub involved. when it was, mito stepped in and sealed it. theyve got nothing to stop an edo with.
Hashirama defeated EMS Madara + Kyuubi.
no he ddnt. are you suggesting hes physically above kyuubi and beat him down with his wood? no. he supressed it so his wife could seal it. the rest of the fight we know nothing about. fighting some alive guy doesnt mean he can defeat an immortal zombie.
So by that logic, how do Sasuke and Itachi stand a chance against someone who defeated a Legendary Uchiha with the strongest Bijuu as his summon?!
because ABC logic in naruto fails. theve got nothing to stop immortal itachi with totsuka /tsukiyomi intending on killing both
Also, how in the world does an Edo Tensei summoning will be effective against the CREATOR of the jutsu itself? Can somebody explain that? Tobirama developed the jutsu, so of course he knows how to USE it and CANCEL it. Right?
all we know is that the user can cancel his own summoned zombies but for anyone outside their control they cant do shit
Senju brothers hands down! Nativy of a world of trees will wreck them both
itachi totsukas or burns it. rememebr he has unlimited amaterasu. spam it all he wants and stil not go blind.
are u dumb bro ???? r u asking if senju bros know how to fight a sharingan !!!!!!! lolz for the record senju bros were figthing uchihaa on daily basis and pawned MS izuna and EMS madara who were gods of uchihaa clans
how do you know? hashi fought madara but its unknown what izuna/tobirama was doing. probably off subjugating other clans.
they are boss so what make u think noob sasuke and edo itachi can defeat them
listen to yourself. your saying they can seal up edo itachi when theyve shown no such capability
Bringer of darkness wud stop sharingan
how did madara survive then
tobi wud def kno how to stop an edo, he made the technique
speculation and makes no sense considering the jutsus rules
tobirama has teleportation
how do you know?
wrong
he must know seals as he created the edo tech)
why would he know the only counter to his most powerful jutsu? thats like naruto knowing rinnegan
Tobi doesnt need to use edo he just neededs to kno how to stop it which he shud becuz he created the technique.
we know how to stop it. genjutsu the user or seal the edo's soul. didnt you listen to kabuto's whole explanation on how to stop it?
Plus the bringer of darkness technique wud stop all sharingan techz.
yet madara did not get his stopped
that is forgetting that the Senju clan was also good in sealing techs
your confused. senjus were good in taijutsu and ninjutsu. uzumakis were the ones so powerful in sealing that their country was destroyed
Hashirama married an Uzumaki so im sure
no you are not. your not even close to sure. your speculating because you want the bros to lose
Hashi decimated Madara the greatest Uchiha ever so what can Sasuke and Itachi do?
tank everything, totsuka blitz, tsukiyomi blitz. hashiramas never see these kids before and rules state he has no intel on anything they are capable of. with itachis infinite amaterasu, kirin to the face would be a cinch
because he won? so shikamaru > hidan and chiyo/sakura > sasori and hebi sasuke > itachi?
alot of people have black hair. since they've never seen these kids before, and itachi can go to ms from base pretty quickly, they will be eating a tsukiyomi.
so they can avoid genjutsu
finger genjutsu isnt avoidable
And Hashirama is so powerful He could stop most susanoo attacks with trees and such.
how do you know