Uchiha the most powerful clan

[The Demon Hawk]

Byakugan >>>> shraigan get over it

I guess your BS will not permit you to see the reason why Uchihas were the rival of Senjus, not Hyuugas.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

I guess your BS will not permit you to see the reason why Uchihas were the rival of Senjus, not Hyuugas.

It bad your in so much denial that is sad
The Hyuga would the beat senji if the kish let a Hyuga with skill get homo chakra
The main house are to strong let's not start adding other techniques today plus they can use the inn gate increase speed and power at will

 

[The Demon Hawk]

It bad your in so much denial that is sad
The Hyuga would the beat senji if the kish let a Hyuga with skill get homo chakra
The main house are to strong let's not start adding other techniques today plus they can use the inn gate increase speed and power at will

Homo chakra? What is that? That sounds disgusting.

And no, Senjus are superior ability wise. Hyugas are just better at taijutsu and close distance attacks. Senjus can easily beat them with long range attacks while they keep a distance.

I'm not saying Hyugas are fodder. Hyugas are right up there with regular Uchihas and Senjus, which a majority of them are. But once their level goes up to MS and SM respectively, Hyugas are clearly left behind.

 

[Jiren]

Uchiha > all.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Mugen tsukuyomi Uchiha wrekted all

 

[Made in Heaven]

Mugen tsukuyomi Uchiha wrekted all

Mugen Tsukyomi isn't even an Uchiha tech.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Mugen Tsukyomi isn't even an Uchiha tech.

It is, I made a thread about it.

 

[Made in Heaven]

It is, I made a thread about it.

Impeccable logic.

Anyways, anyone who used it was a Juubi Jinchuriki, not necessarily an Uchiha. So it's a Juubi technique, not an Uchiha technique.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Homo chakra? What is that? That sounds disgusting.

And no, Senjus are superior ability wise. Hyugas are just better at taijutsu and close distance attacks. Senjus can easily beat them with long range attacks while they keep a distance.

I'm not saying Hyugas are fodder. Hyugas are right up there with regular Uchihas and Senjus, which a majority of them are. But once their level goes up to MS and SM respectively, Hyugas are clearly left behind.

Okay I gotta give you props omitting the truth

And since you want to be respectful I'm going to be respectful to!

Ms is not a threat to the Hyuga because two reasons .
1. You can't use it and become really fluent with it because you'll go blind in 3 to 4 battles.

2. The Hyuga can disable the sharingan !

Sage mode can be used by Hyuga or anybody with large chakra

But the Hyuga can use the gate to increase power and speed

 

[Retsu]

I know I'm late to the party but one thing I see you bring up is the fact that without Hashirama the Senju would lose to Madara. I could say the same about Madara, Senju and Uchiha fought long before he got into the picture and the Uchiha never seemed to have any sort of advantage. I'd even go as far as to say that even with ms and Izanagi which were around before Madara, Uchiha never got an upper hand over the senju. Clearly due to even being able to fend off such op techs, the senju are the superior clan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Impeccable logic.

Anyways, anyone who used it was a Juubi Jinchuriki, not necessarily an Uchiha. So it's a Juubi technique, not an Uchiha technique.

You need a doujustu to cast the mugen tsukuyomi. Rinnegan or Sharingan.
So yeah, impeccable logic :sdo:

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Okay I gotta give you props omitting the truth

And since you want to be respectful I'm going to be respectful to!

Ms is not a threat to the Hyuga because two reasons .
1. You can't use it and become really fluent with it because you'll go blind in 3 to 4 battles.

2. The Hyuga can disable the sharingan !

Sage mode can be used by Hyuga or anybody with large chakra

But the Hyuga can use the gate to increase power and speed

There are external treatments to counter MS's blindness. Not an issue. The real question is about the power and an MS Uchiha easily beats a Hyuga.

Hyugas cannot disable the Sharingan without close ranged attacks closing the chakra points. That is also no problem, since Uchihas can easily employ long ranged attacks to keep themselves at a distance and Susanoo can prevent any damage in CQC in addition to its immense destructive power.

Gates can also be used by an Uchiha, not just Hyuga. And Uchihas have larger chakra reserves than a Hyuga, so Sage Mode is potentially a power of them rather than the Hyugas.

 

[lndra]

I never denied that. Hashirama is the strongest of them all naturally, actually and potentially. That's the clear truth, I can't turn it down. Even Madara with maximum potential (powered by hypothetical Sage Mode) would probably lose against him.

Right.

Excluding Hashirama however, nearly all Uchihas I've seen are potentially stronger than their Senju counterparts, even if they are weaker in reality. Because very rare circumstances lead to Uchihas activating their full potential which keeps them shy of their maximum power, whereas Senjus have no hindrance on their side.

But where do you even see that? Itachi, Sasuke, and Obito are the only Uchiha's to have been stronger than both Senju's we've seen bar Hashirama (talking about Tobirama and Tsunade). And we haven't even seen Senju members bar those three, who all existed during the Feudal Era bar Tsunade.

Firstly, MS Uchihas were still relatively lesser in amount to comparable Senjus due to the relatively rare conditions even though they were still more common than usual during war. The Senjus during the war were very skilled in a lot of other techniques (Senju being known as "the clan of a thousand skills" particularly because of that). That kept them on par or even superior to the Uchihas despite being potentially weaker. Those skills doesn't have anything to do with their potential as a Senju.

That's not what the Manga said. Itachi claimed that the first Uchiha to have been noted in awakening MS were Madara/Izuna, however he said overtime that the Uchiha began to try to achieve a perfect light (EMS) after more of them awakened MS following in Madara's example.

And if you talk about Senjus being able to stand up against MS Uchihas, let me remind you that Madara was also able to stand up against Hashirama despite losing Kurama and fight for quite a long time and they both ended up roughly in the same condition. That doesn't make him equal to Hashirama as we very well know

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How is this the same condition?

Again, Tobirama was weaker in potential than Izuna. He only managed to match him with FTG and other skills (a clear display of Senju's superiority in skills), and those skills have nothing to do with Tobirama's Senju potential. And even then he needed to deceive Izuna for his coward ass to win, couldn't defeat him with pure strength and abilities.

So if I understand correctly. Tobirama being a Genius who crafted techniques on his own talent isn't 'potential'. When a person learns or creates a technique, it isn't based on their talent/genius or potential? :lol

Either way it doesn't change the fact that Tobirama defeated an MS Uchiha, without a single panel of him 'deceiving' his opponent and such. Kind of ironic that someone is arguing against the moral code of what a shinobi is. As if deceiving wasn't part of their structure.

Hell even Itachi uses forms of that. You know what it's called? Genjutsu! lol.


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U]Bottom line:[/U] Senjus were dominant during the Feudal era because of their superiority in skills which has nothing to do with their clan's potential. An equally skilled Uchiha with fully maxed out potential would probably dominate a corresponding Senju.

Sadly that isn't the case. The bottom line is that Senju's were dominate because the Uchiha's were just not as superior to them. Even now the strongest Uchiha wouldn't stand next to the strongest Senju.

 

[NarutoX28]

That's not what the Manga said. Itachi claimed that the first Uchiha to have been noted in awakening MS were Madara/Izuna, however he said overtime that the Uchiha began to try to achieve a perfect light (EMS) after more of them awakened MS following in Madara's example.

Which is not true because that's excluding previous Indra Transmigrants and others who managed to use Izanagi w/o Rikudou's Chakra. That's literally suggesting that previous Indra Transmigrants are weaker than Madara and Pre-Rikudou Sasuke which is hard to believe as they naturally have a higher chakra potency and thus, should have Mangekyos as well.

In times of war, it's not unusual for at least a few Uchiha to have awakened the Mangekyo before Madara and Izuna's time considering many Uchiha awakened the Mangekyo during Madara's time as well as the fact that even Shisui could awaken the Mangekyo.

 

[lndra]

Which is not true because that's excluding previous Indra Transmigrants and others who managed to use Izanagi w/o Rikudou's Chakra. That's literally suggesting that previous Indra Transmigrants are weaker than Madara and Pre-Rikudou Sasuke which is hard to believe as they naturally have a higher chakra potency and thus, should have Mangekyos as well.

I'm not really sure. It was stated that Madara/Izuna were the first one's to activate MS based on probably the current era of Uchiha, but it's possible that Kishimoto later retconned it.

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In times of war, it's not unusual for at least a few Uchiha to have awakened the Mangekyo before Madara and Izuna's time considering many Uchiha awakened the Mangekyo during Madara's time as well as the fact that even Shisui could awaken the Mangekyo.

I said the same thing. Itachi stated himself that many Uchiha tried achieved EMS, which means that many Uchiha had activated MS. Which should be obvious considering the majority of the Uchiha we've seen have activated their Sharingan outside of War, and still evolved it the same.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Achieving MS not mean many Uchiha will be superior to Senju in past war or in Itachi history flashback.

Wat actually Izuna MS power? He got defeated by Tobirama when he had MS eyes and potentially a Susanoo.

Madara MS power is not that superior compare to Itachi/Sasuke/Obito/Shishui. Only when he obtained EMS. full body Susanoo and PS for him.

I think their MS jutsu were not that powerful/hax. Only certain Uchiha getting special MS power.

Keep in mind that DB stated the ultimate weapon of Uchiha was not their Genjutsu/any kind of MS tech/Katon but Susanoo.

They get Susanoo when they awaken MS and use it in a war.

But Susanoo come with bad effect to Uchiha MS eyes mean they couldnt wastefully and unwisely used them in battle

 

[DHOH]

It's very simple really... With Sasuke and Itachi generation, Senju became the second best clan..

 

[unknownvillain1254]

There are external treatments to counter MS's blindness. Not an issue. The real question is about the power and an MS Uchiha easily beats a Hyuga.

Hyugas cannot disable the Sharingan without close ranged attacks closing the chakra points. That is also no problem, since Uchihas can easily employ long ranged attacks to keep themselves at a distance and Susanoo can prevent any damage in CQC in addition to its immense destructive power.

Gates can also be used by an Uchiha, not just Hyuga. And Uchihas have larger chakra reserves than a Hyuga, so Sage Mode is potentially a power of them rather than the Hyugas.

Blindness so far is the biggest issue for Ms fact

Ok first what stop a Hyuga form charging straight there is no technique that the uchiha have has a clan that can stop a Hyuga

Air plam damage the chakra system and that has helluva range

What tech do the uchiha that is long range (again the uchiha) ?

And the Hyuga have sage chakra pass down through family line and when did the manga said uchiha have large chakra pool that's a opinion .

When did everything uchiha get susanoo and Hyuga can destroy chakra

The difference between a Hyuga using gate and uchiha
All Hyuga can use gate at birth . Rock lee trained harder than any character in this entire series and still cannot go pass 5 gate guy trained his whole life to get 8gates a uchiha where how to train for years just the open one or third .

 

[Made in Heaven]

You need a doujustu to cast the mugen tsukuyomi. Rinnegan or Sharingan.
So yeah, impeccable logic :sdo:

Wrong on both accounts. Neither Rennigan nor Sharingan can case IT. Only Rinnesharingan can.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Wrong on both accounts. Neither Rennigan nor Sharingan can case IT. Only Rinnesharingan can.

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Wrong. If rinnesharingan was the only way to cast IT then Sasuke wouldn't of been able to block IT and juubito wouldn't of been able to cast IT either but he did.