[Theory] Uchiha & Senju | The True Power of Hagoromo

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514
Frankly, I've gotten a little bit fed up with the amount of people saying that Naruto will awaken the Rinnegan while Sasuke will not awaken it. So I decided to make this thread to provide the proof on the subject as well as to give my personal opinion based off those facts. First off all, I am not taking a subjective view on this, I am being objective about the facts. But my share opinions are obviously subjective and therefore I don't state them as facts or proof of possible facts. Now, let's get started!




The Power's Origin

As with all powers, the power of the Shinobi World originated from somewhere. It has two main sources. The first an most obvious source is the Shinju, also know as the Juubi. The second source is the lineage and bloodline of the Ōtsutsuki family. These two powers were first combined when Kaguya Ōtsutsuki ate the fruit from the Shinju tree and become the first human with chakra in her body. These two powers where first made into a single power when she gave birth to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, her son. Upon his birth the powers most likely mixed with each other, creating a single power which led to the awakening of the Rinnegan in young Hagoromo. This power was then divided into his two sons, the Senju Ancestor and the Uchiha Ancestor.

Upon decades of war and hatred amongst the two brothers, two clans where born. These two clans where, The Senju and The Uchiha. The original power of the sons also became less and less apparent as time went on, and only certain members of both clans were born with what may have been the original power of the two sons. You see, Hagoromo split his power between his two sons. The Younger Son was given the power of the body, with this a great life force. The Older Son was give the power of the mind, and with this a high quality of spiritual power, also know as chakra. These two powers later became to be known as the Power of the Uchiha and Senju.

The Power of the Uchiha and Senju

The Uchiha
The lineage of the Older Son became the Uchiha Clan and still have the powerful spiritual power of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. This power comes from their mind, more precisely their brain. This power manifests in their eyes as the form of The Sharingan and later the Rinnegan. In order to obtain the power of this clan, one needs to have either their brain or their eyes. ( As the power comes from the brain and manifests in the eyes. ) Another possible way to obtain their power would be to have a part of their soul connected to your own. As the soul is directly connected to the power of a person, their chakra and life force.

The Senju
The lineage of the Younger Son became the Senju Clan and still holds the powerful life force of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. This power comes from their bodies, and any part of it, but only their physical part and their soul. This power manifests through showing their ability to live long, massive chakra resources and quick healing. In order to obtain this power, one needs to either have a part of their body like their DNA or the entire body of a Senju Clan Member. ( As the power manifests and comes from their body and soul ) Another possible way to gain their power is to have a part of their souls connected to your own. As the soul is directly connected to the power of the person, their chakra and life force.

The Rinnegan & Awakening it

Its been stated that in order to awaken the Rinnegan and properly use it, one needs the power of both the Uchiha and Senju clans. There has also only been two people to awaken the Rinnegan, these are Hagoromo and Madara. We have had two other users of the Rinnegan, though these two used the eyes of Madara Uchiha. Madara said the following: "One cannot awaken the Rinnegan without having the power of both the Uchiha and Senju, and one can't control the Gedo Mazou properly either." Here is the panel where he states this:

You must be registered for see images

Nagato Uzumaki
Nagato Uzmaki was able to use the Rinnegan fairly well through years of practising with it. However, he was not able to fully control the Rinnegan or the Gedo Mazou statue because he lacked the Power of the Uchiha Clan. This was shown when Nagato summoned the Gedo Mazou and was impaled by it. It was also later shown because Nagato needed help in order to seal the Bijuu's within the statue. While people who had both the powers of the Uchiha and Senju where able to do this alone. ( Obito and Madara during the Fourth Great Ninja War )

Obito Uchiha
Obito Uchiha was unable to awaken the Rinnegan himself because he lacked two things. He lacked his other eye and a near death experience as Madara Uchiha experienced at the end of his lifespan. Though the part of about his missing eye is only a theory at this point, its highly likely because as Madara stated: "Only when the two eyes are together will their true power awaken. / You need both eyes to awaken their full potential" Here is the panel where Madara states this:

You must be registered for see images




My Opinions from now on

Naruto will not awaken the Rinnegan!

Several fans seems to believe that Naruto will awaken the Rinnegan. However, based off the facts that we already know, a pure Uzumaki cannot awaken or fully control the Rinnegan. ( Nagato Uzumaki is proof of this. ) The Rinnegan was most likely created by combining the Ōtsutsuki lineage and the power of the Juubi, this later became the lineage of Hagoromo as one power as I explain above. In order to awaken the Rinnegan, one needs the power of the Senju and Uchiha. Naruto only has one part of these powers, and that is the power of the Senju Clan as the Uzumaki Clan are relatives of the Senju Clan. Naruto is also the eqaulization of the Juubi from Hagoromo's era. I get that from his connection and mastery of the Bijuu, as well has he lived a life alike a Bijuu.

Sasuke may awaken the Rinnegan!
Currently, Sasuke only has the power of the Uchiha Clan. But he has the ability to meet both of the requirements for awakening the Rinnegan. These being the power of the Senju Clan and the near death experience. I explained earlier how its highly possible that the power of the Uchiha and the Senju clan are directly connected to their soul and manifested a certain place. Now, in one of the newest chapters, Tobirama Senju says he is both willing and is able to give his soul to Sasuke if the Black Rods were to disappear. Here is the panel where he says this:

You must be registered for see images

That will give Sasuke the power of the Senju Clan and the Uchiha Clan and seeing how he is currently dying it may also save his life. As he would be granted the healing and strong life force of the Senju Clan. ( Along with some healing from the mysterious man and perhaps Karin ) Sasuke will survive this near death experience, and perhaps recieve the soul of a Senju. In doing so, Sasuke will reach all the requirements in awakening the Rinnegan just as Madara once did. Thus awakening the Rinnegan.




The True Way To Peace & Hagoromo's True Power!

Madara has stated that they way to true peace is by combining the two opposite forces, he has found the way to peace but he understood it in the wrong way. The way to true peace is love and power, not one of them. They are the Yin and Yang to peace, and these are physically shown through the Uchiha Clan and Senju/Uzumaki Clan and through Sasuke and Naruto. Both of them are the true way to peace, both of them are the reincarnation of the Sage's true power. Naruto is the equalization to the Juubi, as the Juubi lacked the understanding of humans. Something Naruto has and he has given that to the Bijuu's and by doing that he fulfilled Hagoromo's prophecy by guiding the Bijuu's down the right path.

Sasuke is the equalization to the Sage himself. Though Hagoromo lacked the true understanding of power and hatred to know how much love means. As you cannot fully understand the importance of something until you've lost it. These two main stars are both a combination of the two that started the Circle of Hated. Hagoromo and the Juubi started the circle, and their equals will end it.
 

Transcendence

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 11, 2013
Messages
11,636
Reaction score
1,451
It has two main sources. The first an most obvious source is the Shinju, also know as the Juubi. The second source is the lineage and bloodline of the Ōtsutsuki family. These two powers were first combined when Kaguya Ōtsutsuki ate the fruit from the Shinju tree and become the first human with chakra in her body.

Actually, you are incorrect. There aren't two sources, but one; the Shinju (Juubi). The fruit of the Juubi/Shinju is the essence that Kaguya took and gained chakra (and potentially the Rin'negan). Her power is from the Juubi and Hagoromo himself was born with her chakra/abilities and by extension, it is from the Juubi. Hagoromo and the Juubi are one in the same in terms of power composition as his power stems from the Juubi through and through.

That is also the basis for the theory that you commented on. Rikudou's way of awakening it (Rin'negan); having the essence of the Juubi within him (beginning of all chakra; Rin'negan has to come from it conclusively) or reconvening the bloodline of Rikudou (Senju+Uchiha) to get the Rin'negan, but in doing so, you are mirroring the Juubi's Yin and Yang as well, as Rikudou's chakra is also the Juubi's chakra.

I do like your interpretation though, even if I do disagree with it.

 

Six Paths

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Oct 27, 2012
Messages
16,506
Reaction score
1,135
I like the theory a lot. It was complete and well stated, but the only thing I have to disagree with is that the Rinnegan can be awakened when Senju and Uchiha DNA comes together. So even if Tobirama intented to put his soul into Sasuke, the rinnegan wouldn't awaken.
 

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514
I like the theory a lot. It was complete and well stated, but the only thing I have to disagree with is that the Rinnegan can be awakened when Senju and Uchiha DNA comes together. So even if Tobirama intented to put his soul into Sasuke, the rinnegan wouldn't awaken.

It doesn't have to be their DNA, that was never stated anywhere in the manga. It was stated that the powers of the two clans were needed, and the easiest part of the Senju Clan's power to obtain is a piece of their DNA: ( I would assume that an entire body would be good aswell, but only if you had a Uchiha brain inside of it. ) The Uchiha's power has to come from their brains, as Madara was able to use the jutsus of his Kekkai Genkai without having his eyes.
 

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514
Actually, you are incorrect. There aren't two sources, but one; the Shinju (Juubi). The fruit of the Juubi/Shinju is the essence that Kaguya took and gained chakra (and potentially the Rin'negan). Her power is from the Juubi and Hagoromo himself was born with her chakra/abilities and by extension, it is from the Juubi. Hagoromo and the Juubi are one in the same in terms of power composition as his power stems from the Juubi through and through.

That is also the basis for the theory that you commented on. Rikudou's way of awakening it (Rin'negan); having the essence of the Juubi within him (beginning of all chakra; Rin'negan has to come from it conclusively) or reconvening the bloodline of Rikudou (Senju+Uchiha) to get the Rin'negan, but in doing so, you are mirroring the Juubi's Yin and Yang as well, as Rikudou's chakra is also the Juubi's chakra.

I do like your interpretation though, even if I do disagree with it.


The combination of the human and beast created the Rinnegan, not the chakra alone. The life force of the humans combined with the spiritual power of the beast created a new power, the Rinnegan. That is why the powers of Hagoromo are nicknamed; The Body and The Spiritual. The body is the human part, the spiritual is the beast part. The chakra of the Juubi equals the spiritual, and the life force of the body equals the human body.
 

Gerkak

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Apr 11, 2012
Messages
16,382
Reaction score
1,192
Nice theory. Personally I don't want either of them to awaken the rinnegan
 

Transcendence

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 11, 2013
Messages
11,636
Reaction score
1,451
The combination of the human and beast created the Rinnegan, not the chakra alone. The life force of the humans combined with the spiritual power of the beast created a new power, the Rinnegan. That is why the powers of Hagoromo are nicknamed; The Body and The Spiritual. The body is the human part, the spiritual is the beast part. The chakra of the Juubi equals the spiritual, and the life force of the body equals the human body.

And would that not apply to Naruto in this regard...? His life force in conjunction with the coalesced chakra of the 9 Tailed Beasts (mirroring he Juubi) in place of said spiritual power (Even adding that the side of Kurama that he is getting is the Yin Half which has an obscene amount of spiritual power/energy).
 

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514

And would that not apply to Naruto in this regard...? His life force in conjunction with the coalesced chakra of the 9 Tailed Beasts (mirroring he Juubi) in place of said spiritual power (Even adding that the side of Kurama that he is getting is the Yin Half which has an obscene amount of spiritual power/energy).

First of all, he doesn't have all the chakra of all the Bijuu's. Second of all, the Rinnegan was only made once the two powers ( Body and Spirit ) combined during the birth of Hagoromo. Kaguya didn't have the Rinnegan as far as we know, and she is equal to Naruto right now. ( In the ways the obtained the power as both only have a fraction of the Shinju's power. ) Naruto would need to either give birth or have someone just like him give birth ( Neither of which are going to happen. ) if a person with the Rinnegan were to be born.
 

Mr Hiru

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 23, 2013
Messages
6,415
Reaction score
546
I think we disagree in something you told in your thread...

Obito Uchiha "DID" experience a near-death event... under a boulder. When he awakened, he had Senju cells in his body, already.

We could even infer that at this point Obito already awakened the powers of his Mangekyou, since he was able to "slip through rocks" to get out alive from that place.
 

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514
I think we disagree in something you told in your thread...

Obito Uchiha "DID" experience a near-death event... under a boulder. When he awakened, he had Senju cells in his body, already.

We could even infer that at this point Obito already awakened the powers of his Mangekyou, since he was able to "slip through rocks" to get out alive from that place.

Yes but he didn't have the Senju Power when he experienced it. That is what went wrong, he also lacked his other Sharingan at the time. ( Though that reason is only a theory )
 

Mr Hiru

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 23, 2013
Messages
6,415
Reaction score
546
Yes but he didn't have the Senju Power when he experienced it. That is what went wrong, he also lacked his other Sharingan at the time. ( Though that reason is only a theory )

We should get more information about the mechanics behind the Rinnegan awakening.
 

Shinato

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2013
Messages
2,810
Reaction score
514
We should get more information about the mechanics behind the Rinnegan awakening.

That we should, but until that happens... I'll stick with my theory! :D
 

itachi4real

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Feb 21, 2013
Messages
7,948
Reaction score
498
I couldnt agree more. Sasuke will get rinnegan and naruto will get the body simple as that.
 

Seventh Sama

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Nov 10, 2012
Messages
16,306
Reaction score
933
Rinnegan came from Juubi.... The senju are the yang(body) of the juubi and the uchiha are the yin(eye) of the juubi. fans believe naruto will awaken the rinnegan due to being exposed to the Juubi chakra in which is a high possibility since the sage awakened the rinnegan as the Juubi jin. detailed thread but i dont agree.
 

itachi4real

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Feb 21, 2013
Messages
7,948
Reaction score
498
What people dont seem to get is that u need both senju and uchiha powers to get rinnegan not dna.
 

Mr Hiru

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 23, 2013
Messages
6,415
Reaction score
546
What people dont seem to get is that u need both senju and uchiha powers to get rinnegan not dna.

Now, explain how did Obito get the Senju powers... was it chakra? No, it was DNA.

This is manga fact.
 

Honord Sage

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
16,764
Reaction score
621
Naruto is the Sage, Sasuke is not.The Rinnegan is the Sages power thus it's Naruto too sines Naruto is the Hero and Sasuke is not.
 
Top