Uchiha Sasuke vs Jiriaya

[DemonicAvenger]

Well, talk about blunt. Lol.

OT - Sasuke.

Someone say blunt? (im done spamming for today)​

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[Champ]

Sasuke. .

 

[Brooks]

Sasuke takes this mid-diff at best...​

 

[slimreaper]

Since Jiraya starts in SM Sound Genjutsu 1-shots U_U

susanoo arrow one shots. come at me hater

 

[Uchiha Style]

Comparing Sasuke to this shit?

Amaterasu or Susanoo arrow one-shots

 

[KidGamer65]

Raiton counters doton because it easily pierces it and shatters it apart, for example, Hell stab and Chidori. However, this is mud we are speaking about, which isn't being affected by piercing or shattering. Saying it will simply disperse and spread out is deductive fallacy. Swamp remain unaffected until proven otherwise.

-Sasuke can walk on it just how he'd walk on water since its still liquid but infused with chakra, and a similar jutsu was countered in this fashion.

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Water Release: Starch Syrup* Capturing Field (水遁・水飴拿原, Suiton: Mizuame Nabara)
Ninjutsu, C-rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Kamizuki Izumo

Everyone who touches it becomes caught in this fettering pond!!

High-viscosity, chakra-mixed water is spit out, aimed at a surface of wide scope. When entering it unprepared, moving about will become impossible, but one can still move if they sent chakra to the soles of their feet first. One can effectively reduce their enemy's area of activity with this technique.

[picture of Kakuzu about to get caught in this technique]
↑It has the effect of being able to take complete control over the battlefield. The normal scope is just a few metres, but if prepared, it is also possible to make an entire pond of starch syrup.

*Mizuame is a Japanese sweetener made by converting starch to sugars. It takes the form of a clear, thick, and most of all sticky liquid. It can be literally translated as "Water Candy," emphasizing its likeness to water and explaining why it is used in a Suiton technique.

-Simply use the extreme heat of Amaterasu to dry the area of the swamp he is standing him allowing him to break free.

-Anticipate its use with Sharingan and summon his hawk.

Doesn't change the fact that this isn't regular hair to be flammable. This is chakra infused hair. The only reason fire spreads out on hair quickly is because hairs main ingredient is CO2. However, the hair being infused with chakra would mean the chakra would have to burn initially, to proceed to burn through the hair. More so, I don't believe amateratsu spreads as quick as regular fire does, as you can see here [

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], it didn't spread on grass when it should've easily. Also, Gaara's sand is infused with chakra as Jiraiya's hair is infused with chakra. Gaara's sand still seemed to be unaffected [

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] for a short while due to the fact the amateratsu slowly burns through chakra, despite common belief. knowing this, nothing suggests Jiraiya's hair will be affected by amateratsu to the point you are making it seem.

-Where is the proof that chakra infused hair is any less flammable than normal hair? As far as I am concerned there is none.

-Lol No. The chakra being infused with the hair doesn't mean it'll have to burn through the chakra first to get to the hair. 1) That makes no sense as the chakra isn't covering the hair. 2) No evidence.

-Rofl..that isn't grass pal. That is the top of the Uchiha Hideout, so of course its not going to spread on top of a rock building. In fact, there are scans of

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so it does spread like normal fire contrary to your claims.

-Where did this nonsense of Amaterasu burning slowly through chakra come from anyway? There are scans of it burning through Sasuke's Katon in a matter of seconds, Katon is chakra, so you are wrong on that point.

I disagree. The barrier can sense movement, meaning the second amateratsu is used, it is sensed, and can be reacted to, in contrast to having to see it to react to it.

Amaterasu spawns, it doesn't move, so that alone renders your point a moot one. Not to mention if he waits till it spawns to try and sense it, how in the world will he evade it or block it as once its spawned, its spawned on its target...Jiraiya. So no, Canopy Barrier isn't a counter to Amaterasu in any way, shape or form.

You fail to realise what I am implying. What I am saying, is that even with the toad being lit on fire, he still remains atop of the Susano. Unless you are suggesting he's burned down to as he in under several minutes, I don't see your point. Basically what I am saying is, the toad being under fire doesn't prohibit him from remaining on top of Susano. This buys time for Swamp of underworld to drown Sasuke or Goemon to kill Sasuke (which I will address soon).

My point is that when seeing he can't do anything to Sasuke (This Goemon nonsense isn't working) he'll have the toad get up so it won't get burnt up, so no, I get what you are saying. Its just not happening.

Not to mention Food Cart Destroyer can only be used to pin Susanoo if Sasuke decides to let Jiraiya jump above him and make all the hand signs for summoning jutsu while just standing there twiddling his thumbs. Especially when he has better Shunshin feats than Jiraiya.

-If Jiraiya jumps above him, an arrow skewers him, preventing him from ever dropping a toad on him.

-Or Sasuke simply Shunshins away.

Already said, enton isn't removing the toad from lying right over it.

Never even said it was.

More and more flame? You seem to think this is EMS Sasuke. Even Tobi said Sasuke having used amateratsu and Susano at the same time had a large toll on his chakra. Doing this for a single toad would be of big problems for Sasuke [

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Amatearsu, not Enton. I'm talking about him using

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which doesn't cause as much strain as releasing Amaterasu. He used 3 of these small fireballs with his Ribcage Susanoo in a short time span with no signs of strain, and he was already weakened from fighting Ay.

That is EMS Susano, not MS Susano. Different feats and characteristics. Seems to me he is always standing in it [

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] There's a clear difference in manipulation between Sasuke in the war arc and Sasuke here. This Sasuke doesn't know how to use a legged Susano, meaning he doesn't have full capability of the manifestations of his Susano. EMS Sasuke clearly does seeing as how he could create a lower body and surround his Susano around the Kyuubi. Anyways, nothing suggests MS Sasuke can do what you are claiming. This would imply my claim of Goemon working is still viable.

Lets be serious here, there is ZERO difference between that Susanoo and an MS Susanoo. The only new things EMS has granted him are Perfect Susanoo and a legged Susanoo so I'm not seeing your point here, that isn't an EMS Susanoo just because it was used while EMS is active, especially when we've seen that Sasuke had the same Susanoo before ever getting EMS. Sasuke

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standing in his Susanoo and can move while inside of it.

There is no manipulation of Susanoo going on in any of these scans, so bringing up EMS Sasuke's superior manipulation feats doesn't mean anything.

People need to get rid of the idea of Susanoo having this nonexistent gap in the bottom thinking techniques can just go right through despite that going against all logic.

Doubt the Katon being countered by Suiton or the sheer power of the toads? The Katon will definitely being stopped with the Suiton, no chance at all. The toads also have immense strength, so I don't see your point.



-Fair enough, although I don't see Sasuke benefitting from using multiple Katons. After the first one, it is already obvious that a simple jump from them would simply evade the Amateratsu empowered Katon. And yes, the toads do have immense jumping capability.

Never even said that Katon is being used here let alone it not being countered by Suiton.

-SM isn't reacting to Arrow? I recall Kabuto effortlessly dodging it.. Fukasaku's tongue takes it out, Gamaken's shield stops it. Anyways, this entire match up can be ended easily. Shima uses her Fuuton dust, which covers a scale large enough to cover Bunta and stop the Rinnegan from seeing, even though it can see chakra [

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].Then, with Canopy barrier, Jiraiya senses Sasuke, uses Swamp of the underworld on Susano, followed by a food cart destroyer and gg, Sasuke won't even have noticed.

I see scans of Kabuto reacting, not the Toads so your evidence is null from the get go. I also see no feats of them using Sage Mode, so an arrow goes clean through every single one of the boss toads. Toads=/=Kabuto.

lol, this assumes that Sasuke does nothing while Jiraiya makes the dust cloud, while he makes his barrier, and while he jumps above Sasuke to use Food Cart Destroyer.

If he covers the area with dust, Sasuke simply summons the Hawk and flies above the dust cloud.

They have the means to move it, definitely.

-Don't recall, likely wasn't packing power. Scan of this, I don't recall? Anyways, if you are talking about this [

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] then lol as its strength doesn't compare to Gamahiro's left hand, let alone all three toads.

I said enhanced Fuuton, meaning this as it was the only one

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-That move had barely any force behind it. Apart from Temari's decent Futon, and Gaara's laughable sand tech, this move didn't pack any force. Once again, this attack wouldn't even compare to Bunta's Suiton, let alone three toads attacking.

Danzo's enhanced Fuuton is a great enough feat to let me comfortably say it's not budging. The only way Susanoo is moving is if you can move the user from inside, cause attacking the Susanoo (If it has no legs) isn't going to anything as its simply a wall of armor that surrounds the user, who is on the ground himself.

Yes they will. You mentioned before Shikaku was only fighting at a fraction of his strength, but even when he was at full power, he was still being overpowered by Bunta, as he himself said [

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]. I truly do believe your are heavily underestimating the toads strength, saying Susano won't budge, when Susano is tonnes lighter than Shukaku.

lol, stop. Shukaku wasn't at his full power during the duration of the fight, I suggest you re-read the beginning of that fight. Don't even know what the point of sending Susanoo flying is considering it'll do literally nothing at all.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

A very close match but I personally go for Jiraiya just because of pure experience and versatility. Toad Oil Bomb will be fun.

 

[EternalFlame]

Can SM Jiraya dodge Amaterasu?

 

[Steinbiz]

Can SM Jiraya dodge Amaterasu?

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If Kabuto did it with ease, can't Jiraiya? Besides, Ultaime Rasengan speed blitz is a cake walk for SM Jiraiya at 20 meters. SM Jiraiya GG.

 

[Minator93]

susanoo arrow one shots. come at me hater

SM sensing shits on Susanoo arrow, but Sound Genjutsu 1-shots Lol

 

[Optimistic]

SM sensing shits on Susanoo arrow, but Sound Genjutsu 1-shots Lol

Jiraiya can't sense in SM.

 

[VolatileSoul]

How is this even debatable. In a fight, if you can attack faster than your opponent, and your opponent cannot counter the attack in some way, then you win. Amaterasu can be used before everything Jiraiya has. Jiraiya cannot dodge it, and can't seal it if he's on fire, he is too slow to preempt it, and he can't outright tank it. He can't even see it coming since he cannot sense. There is no point debating Swamps, Hair, Dust, Toad, or anything of the sort, as Sasuke can tag Jiraiya before he uses any of these.

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If Kabuto did it with ease, can't Jiraiya? Besides, Ultaime Rasengan speed blitz is a cake walk for SM Jiraiya at 20 meters. SM Jiraiya GG.

Kabuto never dodged Amaterasu. It was never used on him. Sasuke used it defensively. He didn't target Kabuto. Also, how can you give Jiraiya Kabuto's feat when Jiraiya isn't even a perfect sage? And speed blitz? Jiraiya blitzing Sasuke? I guess Choji can blitz Naruto now, since we are just gonna throw common sense out the window.

SM sensing shits on Susanoo arrow, but Sound Genjutsu 1-shots Lol

Jiraiya doesn't have sensing in sage mode. Sasuke could fire off a hundred arrows before that slow ass genjutsu is used.

 

[Unorthodox]

SM sensing shits on Susanoo arrow, but Sound Genjutsu 1-shots Lol

jiraiya sensing worked so well against asura path sneaking up behind him also susanoo arrow still to fast for him to counter sensing is useless when your body to slow to even move a muscle

 

[NarutoIndra]

-Sasuke can walk on it just how he'd walk on water since its still liquid but infused with chakra, and a similar jutsu was countered in this fashion.

-Simply use the extreme heat of Amaterasu to dry the area of the swamp he is standing him allowing him to break free.

-Anticipate its use with Sharingan and summon his hawk.

That's not necessarily correct. He can anticipate it if Jiraiya does it without any abilities. This would mean Jiraiya could use Shima's smoke screen to allow him to do it in an unnoticed fashion. Sasuke won't simply have schakra underneath his feat when he doesn't know what is going on, hence Sasuke gets trapped and isn't releasing from then on as DB explicitly says it is near impossible to leave it, and Manda couldn't get out despite his immense strength.

-Incorrect. Amateratsu will only dry the part it is on. By that time, Sasuke would long be under the swamp. It drowned Manda within no time, Sasuke will suffer from the same but end up reaching the bottom of the pit...

-He isn't anticipating it when he's in a smoke cloud. Hawk is useless seeing as Fukasaku could rip off its wing or cut it in half with a single unnoticed tongue extension. Fukasku can sense after all, he has perfect SM.

-Where is the proof that chakra infused hair is any less flammable than normal hair? As far as I am concerned there is none.

-Lol No. The chakra being infused with the hair doesn't mean it'll have to burn through the chakra first to get to the hair. 1) That makes no sense as the chakra isn't covering the hair. 2) No evidence.

-Rofl..that isn't grass pal. That is the top of the Uchiha Hideout, so of course its not going to spread on top of a rock building. In fact, there are scans of

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so it does spread like normal fire contrary to your claims.

-Where did this nonsense of Amaterasu burning slowly through chakra come from anyway? There are scans of it burning through Sasuke's Katon in a matter of seconds, Katon is chakra, so you are wrong on that point.

-Fair enough, doesn't change the fact Jiraiya can dispel all his hair without permitting his hair to grip back with Shima and Fukasaku. Jiraiya create Kage Bunshins to counter the jutsu. Doesn't change the fact Jiraiya can use shadow clones to stay in front of him in the case of amateratsu being used. This is amiable counter since he will prevent any incoming amateratsu's from touching him. There's no reason for him to not be capable of releasing any part of his hair when he can release tips and lengthen any part of his hair as he wills.

-Point taken.
-The Katon was simply overpowered. Amateratsu didn't burn through FRS, didn't burn through Gaara's sand infused with chakra instantly, and it didn't burn through Raiton armour instantly.

Amaterasu spawns, it doesn't move, so that alone renders your point a moot one. Not to mention if he waits till it spawns to try and sense it, how in the world will he evade it or block it as once its spawned, its spawned on its target...Jiraiya. So no, Canopy Barrier isn't a counter to Amaterasu in any way, shape or form.


My point is that when seeing he can't do anything to Sasuke (This Goemon nonsense isn't working) he'll have the toad get up so it won't get burnt up, so no, I get what you are saying. Its just not happening.

Not to mention Food Cart Destroyer can only be used to pin Susanoo if Sasuke decides to let Jiraiya jump above him and make all the hand signs for summoning jutsu while just standing there twiddling his thumbs. Especially when he has better Shunshin feats than Jiraiya.

-If Jiraiya jumps above him, an arrow skewers him, preventing him from ever dropping a toad on him.

-Or Sasuke simply Shunshins away.

-Evidence of this nonsense? Only because the Raikage was shown to point blank range doesn't mean that's when it occurred. Kishi isn't providing a panel for every moment Amateratsu was moving. It releases from a very short point from Sasuke's eye unless proven otherwise. Hence canopy barrier allows him to react in time. So no, your point remains fan fiction and Canopy remains a viable counter. Proof of Amateratsu not instantly spawning is here [

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-Well... I have doubts of whether your previous post was indeed correct in the fact attacks are countered with that small aura beneath the Susano. My reasoning is the fact that your scans all were either showing Sasuke in mid air, and a scan where Sasuke's bottom of his Susano was looking like an aura extending downwards. However, I believe that aura like part isn't an actual defensive structure, and also isn't actually solid. This is because Ssuke had the same type of aura against Danzo here [

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] both of which showed no colour, meaning it was no solidified part. This brings me to the conclusion that Sasuke can indeed not surround the bottom of his Susano with Susano armour, but rather non-solid aura which he is constantly emitting during the activation of Susano. The Madara scan isn't viable, he has legged Susano, and within the legged Susano, the user can chose wherever he wants to stand including the head of the Susano, something Sasuke's Susano has never shown, likely because it simply cannot...

-What? lol, since when was Jiraiya only capable of doing it when above the opponent? Minato and Jiraiya have both shown doing it without being higher then the opponent. Thos hand signs must be real hard... Shunshin or not, he isn't escaping something which is directly above him, especially in Susano.

No need of jumping above him so.. Shunshins way lol..... Someone as big as Bunta isn't being avoided when he's directly placed over you, and you only realise when you think its suspicious nothing has been summoned after the seals are done. His reaction speed and movement speed are insufficient for such a feat.[

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Amatearsu, not Enton. I'm talking about him using

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which doesn't cause as much strain as releasing Amaterasu. He used 3 of these small fireballs with his Ribcage Susanoo in a short time span with no signs of strain, and he was already weakened from fighting Ay.

I fail to see how they help take off and of the toads. Hurting him and burning him don't make the toad get off. He remain on with enton around him simple as that.

Lets be serious here, there is ZERO difference between that Susanoo and an MS Susanoo. The only new things EMS has granted him are Perfect Susanoo and a legged Susanoo so I'm not seeing your point here, that isn't an EMS Susanoo just because it was used while EMS is active, especially when we've seen that Sasuke had the same Susanoo before ever getting EMS. Sasuke

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standing in his Susanoo and can move while inside of it.

I can't tell what to think now... If Sasuke has a solid bottom, he cannot stand on Swamp of the underworld, if he does, he can block Goemon. Anyways, I already gave my reasoning as to why I don't belief he can do it. How will moving while inside of it help him in anyway?

There is no manipulation of Susanoo going on in any of these scans, so bringing up EMS Sasuke's superior manipulation feats doesn't mean anything.

Sasuke can control whatever is occurring on his Susano to a further level, and that is undeniable.

People need to get rid of the idea of Susanoo having this nonexistent gap in the bottom thinking techniques can just go right through despite that going against all logic.

Don't see how it goes against logic. MS has not shown to control the manifestations of Susano to the extent EMS has, nor has it been shown it is solid from the bottom without a legged Susano.

I see scans of Kabuto reacting, not the Toads so your evidence is null from the get go. I also see no feats of them using Sage Mode, so an arrow goes clean through every single one of the boss toads. Toads=/=Kabuto.

lol, this assumes that Sasuke does nothing while Jiraiya makes the dust cloud, while he makes his barrier, and while he jumps above Sasuke to use Food Cart Destroyer.

If he covers the area with dust, Sasuke simply summons the Hawk and flies above the dust cloud.

Yes and Sasuke fires an arrow at every single toad while Jiraiya never even attempts to use lion mane technique, Swamp of the underworld, and Goemon...

I said enhanced Fuuton, meaning this as it was the only one

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Fair enough.

Danzo's enhanced Fuuton is a great enough feat to let me comfortably say it's not budging. The only way Susanoo is moving is if you can move the user from inside, cause attacking the Susanoo (If it has no legs) isn't going to anything as its simply a wall of armor that surrounds the user, who is on the ground himself.

Are you claiming Susano is an immovable object/wall? Lel. If the wall doesn't move to force, then the user will never be affected. In today's chapter alone, we can see the Kyuubi smashing Madara's Legged Susano with his tail and sending it flying. Three toads combined in addition to Jiraiya's hair aiding is enough to literally pick up the Susano and throw it in a bin lmao.

lol, stop. Shukaku wasn't at his full power during the duration of the fight, I suggest you re-read the beginning of that fight. Don't even know what the point of sending Susanoo flying is considering it'll do literally nothing at all.

How was he not at full power? Evidence please. Shukaku specifically said he was released and Bunta said that once the host (Gaara sleeps) it unleashes its true power. The only thing people misunderstand is the fact that Bunta said with this much time passed, it should be easy to finish him off with one hit. The only thing this is suggesting is that control between Gaara and Shukaku can be broken more linie

 

[KidGamer65]

That's not necessarily correct. He can anticipate it if Jiraiya does it without any abilities. This would mean Jiraiya could use Shima's smoke screen to allow him to do it in an unnoticed fashion. Sasuke won't simply have schakra underneath his feat when he doesn't know what is going on, hence Sasuke gets trapped and isn't releasing from then on as DB explicitly says it is near impossible to leave it, and Manda couldn't get out despite his immense strength.

Never said he'd have chakra underneath his feet, that is to stand on it after anticipating it if he so chooses.

-DB saying its near impossible to leave it doesn't mean he can't leave it, that isn't evidence its just a hyperbolic statement, there are ways to escape the swamp, and immense strength or strength at all isn't one of them, so that won't help here and saying Sasuke can't get out cause Manda couldn't won't help either.

-Incorrect. Amateratsu will only dry the part it is on. By that time, Sasuke would long be under the swamp. It drowned Manda within no time, Sasuke will suffer from the same but end up reaching the bottom of the pit...

The swamp was never even used on Manda, nor did the snake it was used on sink in a few seconds, which is all it takes to use Amaterasu, and that is exactly what I said, it'd dry the area he is on.

-He isn't anticipating it when he's in a smoke cloud. Hawk is useless seeing as Fukasaku could rip off its wing or cut it in half with a single unnoticed tongue extension. Fukasku can sense after all, he has perfect SM.

Gonna need proof he can sense chakra, him supposedly being a perfect sage (Also no evidence for this) isn't enough to say he's a sensor when Jiraiya (Who was merged with him at the time) got blindsided by Asura Path. Shima needed

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to sense Pain when he hid in the chameleon, which shouldn't be necessary if she had chakra sensing.

If they make the dust cloud, Sasuke simply takes flight on the hawk and evades Fukasaku's attack.

-Fair enough, doesn't change the fact Jiraiya can dispel all his hair without permitting his hair to grip back with Shima and Fukasaku. Jiraiya create Kage Bunshins to counter the jutsu. Doesn't change the fact Jiraiya can use shadow clones to stay in front of him in the case of amateratsu being used. This is amiable counter since he will prevent any incoming amateratsu's from touching him. There's no reason for him to not be capable of releasing any part of his hair when he can release tips and lengthen any part of his hair as he wills.

Amaterasu?

-Can't see it coming nor does he know how it works, so a clone maneuver to counter it isn't going to happen.

-Sasuke can get rid of the clones and then attack.

-The Katon was simply overpowered. Amateratsu didn't burn through FRS, didn't burn through Gaara's sand infused with chakra instantly, and it didn't burn through Raiton armour instantly.

-Amaterasu clearly ate up FRS and became stronger, until Sasuke adjusted it the second time around, making it a perfect fusion of fire and wind. No point here for you.

-Gaara's Sand isn't the same as hair, so again, you have no point here.

-No, the scans clearly show, state, and imply the Katon being burnt up.

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Does this look like a Katon being overpowered? No, Amaterasu

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it all up.

-Raiton Armor enhanced Ay=/=Jiraiya's hair.

-Evidence of this nonsense? Only because the Raikage was shown to point blank range doesn't mean that's when it occurred. Kishi isn't providing a panel for every moment Amateratsu was moving. It releases from a very short point from Sasuke's eye unless proven otherwise. Hence canopy barrier allows him to react in time. So no, your point remains fan fiction and Canopy remains a viable counter. Proof of Amateratsu not instantly spawning is here [

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There is no evidence of the nonsense that Amaterasu travels. Of course you posted the one scan everyone loves to post not realizing that Itachi spawned the Amaterasu and THEN used it to chase Sasuke by having it spawn where his eyes are focused hence him moving. Go show me a scan of Amaterasu shooting out like a fireball, oh wait, you can't find any. While I have two scans that clearly state Amaterasu spawns/appears/ignites. It doesn't travel.

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The only fanfiction here is Canopy Barrier working on something that spawns.

-Well... I have doubts of whether your previous post was indeed correct in the fact attacks are countered with that small aura beneath the Susano. My reasoning is the fact that your scans all were either showing Sasuke in mid air, and a scan where Sasuke's bottom of his Susano was looking like an aura extending downwards. However, I believe that aura like part isn't an actual defensive structure, and also isn't actually solid. This is because Ssuke had the same type of aura against Danzo here [

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] both of which showed no colour, meaning it was no solidified part. This brings me to the conclusion that Sasuke can indeed not surround the bottom of his Susano with Susano armour, but rather non-solid aura which he is constantly emitting during the activation of Susano. The Madara scan isn't viable, he has legged Susano, and within the legged Susano, the user can chose wherever he wants to stand including the head of the Susano, something Sasuke's Susano has never shown, likely because it simply cannot...

My scans show Sasuke inside Susanoo, all that is apart of Susanoo. You have scans of him being surrounded by nothing but a pure aura, with no Susanoo in sight. How is that even a rebuttal?

-There are definitely ribs covering the bottom here.

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Sasuke can move wherever he wants in Susanoo, MS or EMS is irrelevant.

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Funny, that isn't legged Susanoo in that scan that Madara is standing in, so your refute to my point is invalid.

-What? lol, since when was Jiraiya only capable of doing it when above the opponent? Minato and Jiraiya have both shown doing it without being higher then the opponent. Thos hand signs must be real hard... Shunshin or not, he isn't escaping something which is directly above him, especially in Susano.

.....Read the manga and use basic logic pal.

-How is a summoning going to occur with the summoner ending on top of the frog if they didn't summon while above their head?

-Naruto clearly used Food Cart Destroyer here and he was above the target, hence him being on top of the target when the toad was summoned. [

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Unless you are going to tell me that Naruto and Jiraiya can teleport by summoning a toad now.

...So, when Jiraiya jumps above him, he simply Shunshins away, not that hard as for being in Susanoo..well, he can obviously just put it down.

No need of jumping above him so.. Shunshins way lol..... Someone as big as Bunta isn't being avoided when he's directly placed over you, and you only realise when you think its suspicious nothing has been summoned after the seals are done. His reaction speed and movement speed are insufficient for such a feat.[

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Oh no, manga has shown multiple times you need to be above your target to summon a toad on top of them, which should have been completely obvious to anyone who read this manga..lmao. Bunta being summoned above him doesn't stop him from doing the above, getting away before he's summoned. Sharingan lets him know he's performing a summoning jutsu so common sense applies from there on out and he gets away.

I fail to see how they help take off and of the toads. Hurting him and burning him don't make the toad get off. He remain on with enton around him simple as that.

Until he dies as Jiraiya can't do anything to Sasuke in the meanwhile. Unless you think the toad is going to sit there with excessive amounts of Enton flame on his body, lmao.

I can't tell what to think now... If Sasuke has a solid bottom, he cannot stand on Swamp of the underworld, if he does, he can block Goemon. Anyways, I already gave my reasoning as to why I don't belief he can do it. How will moving while inside of it help him in anyway?

Never said he'd stand on the swamp while in Susanoo.

Sasuke can control whatever is occurring on his Susano to a further level, and that is undeniable.

Does it disprove anything I'm saying? No.

Don't see how it goes against logic. MS has not shown to control the manifestations of Susano to the extent EMS has, nor has it been shown it is solid from the bottom without a legged Susano.

No, its been shown multiple times when Susanoo has been in the air.

Yes and Sasuke fires an arrow at every single toad while Jiraiya never even attempts to use lion mane technique, Swamp of the underworld, and Goemon...

-He can use Susanoo while on his hawk, so Swamp of the Underworld is useless here after its first attempt.

-Goemon gets tanked.

-Lion's Mane? lmao. They get cut by Susanoo's blade or evaded while on his hawk.



Fair enough.

Are you claiming Susano is an immovable object/wall? Lel. If the wall doesn't move to force, then the user will never be affected. In today's chapter alone, we can see the Kyuubi smashing Madara's Legged Susano with his tail and sending it flying. Three toads combined in addition to Jiraiya's hair aiding is enough to literally pick up the Susano and throw it in a bin lmao.

It has legs, this doesn't.

Good thing nothing you are saying can even occur if he decides to use Susanoo while on his hawk.

How was he not at full power? Evidence please. Shukaku specifically said he was released and Bunta said that once the host (Gaara sleeps) it unleashes its true power. The only thing people misunderstand is the fact that Bunta said with this much time passed, it should be easy to finish him off with one hit. The only thing this is suggesting is that control between Gaara and Shukaku can be broken more linie

Nvm, nothing was stated about him not being at full power.

 

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SM sensing shits on Susanoo arrow, but Sound Genjutsu 1-shots Lol

just like SM sensing prevented naruto from being blitzed by madara? lets not forget susanoo arrows are faster than that. clearly naruto would be able to react