Uchiha Sasuke vs Jiriaya

[NarutoIndra]

SM Jiraiya is so underrated lmao... How can Sasuke beat him without EMS?

 

[adeshina365]

I expected FappingAvenger (._.) sounds better.

1. Naruto
2. Madara
3-8. (tie) Kirabi, Gaara, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Kakashi
9. Obito (Post Funny Dumbass Tobi)
10. Deidara (This spot changes a lot)


He's up there.​

lol ..........

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke wins mid difficulty.

-Nothing Jiraiya has is getting past Susanoo.

-He can't dodge Amaterasu if its used, nor can he see it coming due to not being a sensor.

-He doesn't lack the defenses to deal with Susanoo's offensive power.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Sasuke wins mid difficulty.

-Nothing Jiraiya has is getting past Susanoo.

-He can't dodge Amaterasu if its used, nor can he see it coming due to not being a sensor.

-He doesn't lack the defenses to deal with Susanoo's offensive power.

Nahhhh.

-This is MS Sasuke so his Susano has no feet. I don't see how he can counter Swamp of the underworld once he activates Susano.

-Ma and Pa can sense on the other hand. Any time Sasuke builds up pressure in his eyes, Jiraiya is informed and uses Needle Jizo. Despite his hair being burned to a crisp, He can simply shoot it out at Sasuke and grow new hair, since Ma and Pa have shown to do such an ability when fused with Jiraiya. Canopy barrier also allows Jiraiya to realise at a much quicker rate.

-He doesn't indeed. Gamahiro can be summoned as a food cart destroyer atop of Susano to drop it on its back. This allows room for Goemon to effect Sasuke, seeing as though the bottom of his Susano isn't enclosed like a legged Susano would be.

b) Swamp of the underworld renders Susano unusable incase it is used instead.

c) Ma and Pa reverse summon Bunta, Gamakichi, and Gamaken. Genjutsu isn't affecting them since a shadow clone can be kept around each one of these summons to force chakra within the summons jutsu and nullify it. The Kage Bunshins can use Canopy barriers to realise if any genjutsu is being used.

d)Bunta uses Suiton Gunshots to help sever the Susano, considering it cancelled out Shukaku's Fuuton. Gamakichi Startch Syrup further restricts Susano due to its extremely viscous liquid.

Gamakichi can also fight in close combat with it, considering he has SM. More so, this would mean Sasuke is surrounded by Initial Jiraiya fused with ma and Pa, atop of Bunta. All the while, Gamhiro, Gamaken, and Gamakichi are behind Sasuke's Susano, which was weak back then.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nahhhh.

-This is MS Sasuke so his Susano has no feet. I don't see how he can counter Swamp of the underworld once he activates Susano.

So? His Susanoo doesn't need feet for it to escape the Swamp when he is capable of doing that on his own.

-Raiton beats Doton, so Chidori Nagashi would dissipate the part of the swamp Sasuke is caught in allowing him to escape.

-Ma and Pa can sense on the other hand. Any time Sasuke builds up pressure in his eyes, Jiraiya is informed and uses Needle Jizo. Despite his hair being burned to a crisp, He can simply shoot it out at Sasuke and grow new hair, since Ma and Pa have shown to do such an ability when fused with Jiraiya. Canopy barrier also allows Jiraiya to realise at a much quicker rate.

They can? I definitely don't remember this? Scan please?

-Using Needle Jizo only leads to all his hair being lit up, and no, he isn't going to shoot all of it off. Jiraiya can't and isn't shoot all of his hair off with his Needle Senbon before his on fire hair (Which is wrapped around his whole body) has been caught on fire, which will lead to his body catching on fire as well since fire spreads.

Canopy Barrier is zero help against Amaterasu as it doesn't let him sense chakra, it lets him sense movements from within the barrier, useless since Sasuke isn't in the barrier.

-He doesn't indeed. Gamahiro can be summoned as a food cart destroyer atop of Susano to drop it on its back. This allows room for Goemon to effect Sasuke, seeing as though the bottom of his Susano isn't enclosed like a legged Susano would be.

If he drops Gamahiro on him, then Sasuke simply uses

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Susanoo covers Sasuke

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, regardless of the lack of legs. Goemon isn't going to bypass Susanoo and hit Sasuke, not to mention using Goemon while Gamahiro is on Sasuke will only lead to him killing the toad.

b) Swamp of the underworld renders Susano unusable incase it is used instead.

Read above.

c) Ma and Pa reverse summon Bunta, Gamakichi, and Gamaken. Genjutsu isn't affecting them since a shadow clone can be kept around each one of these summons to force chakra within the summons jutsu and nullify it. The Kage Bunshins can use Canopy barriers to realise if any genjutsu is being used.

These 3 toads definitely aren't helping anything. Genjutsu isn't useful anyway.

d)Bunta uses Suiton Gunshots to help sever the Susano, considering it cancelled out Shukaku's Fuuton. Gamakichi Startch Syrup further restricts Susano due to its extremely viscous liquid.

lol, and? It canceling out Shukaku's Fuuton when he was only at a fraction of his strength doesn't mean that its doing anything Susanoo. Quite the contrary. Susanoo tanks with zero difficulty considering weaker forms can protect Itachi from Kirin at the cost of it being destroyed, and the fact that it took a Danzo's Fuuton multiplied in power many many times by Baku's suction (

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in the back.

Jiraiya doesn't have access to a matured Gamakichi as he is dead during the period Gamakichi is matured in. So that point is automatically invalid right there. The only Gamakichi he'd have is the one from the Invasion of Pain Arc.

Gamakichi can also fight in close combat with it, considering he has SM. More so, this would mean Sasuke is surrounded by Initial Jiraiya fused with ma and Pa, atop of Bunta. All the while, Gamhiro, Gamaken, and Gamakichi are behind Sasuke's Susano, which was weak back then.

If any toad decides to fight against Susanoo, then Enton fireballs light them up one by one. Or arrows skewer them.

-No Toad is even putting a dent on Susanoo or budging it in the slightest, all their melee attacks get tanked with no difficulty. Matured Gamakichi is irrelevant here as Jiraiya doesn't have access to him.

 

[Unorthodox]

no prince charles but ima turn up on narutoindra if he keeps spiting this nonsense

 

[NarutoIndra]

So? His Susanoo doesn't need feet for it to escape the Swamp when he is capable of doing that on his own.

-Raiton beats Doton, so Chidori Nagashi would dissipate the part of the swamp Sasuke is caught in allowing him to escape.

What? How can Chidori Nagashi disperse it? Even if it did, the quantity and thickness it is in was enough to prevent Manda from getting out. Doesn't make any sense at all, only because it is its elemental disadvantage does not mean it will always counter it.

They can? I definitely don't remember this? Scan please?

-Using Needle Jizo only leads to all his hair being lit up, and no, he isn't going to shoot all of it off. Jiraiya can't and isn't shoot all of his hair off with his Needle Senbon before his on fire hair (Which is wrapped around his whole body) has been caught on fire, which will lead to his body catching on fire as well since fire spreads.

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Sage Art: Hair Needle Senbon* (仙法・毛針千本, Senpou: Kebari Senbon)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: jiraiya

Sweeping over like a rainstorm
An extremely fast mountain of needles of unkempt hair!!

A technique that hardens the hair on one's head and continuously shoots it at the enemy. The sheer speed of this technique makes it the fastest attack possible in "Sage Mode"...!! Also, at the same time that Jiraiya kneads the chakra needed for senjutsu and fires the hair needles, Fukasaku and Shima activate Jiraiya's hair roots, making limitless rapid-fire possible!!

[picture of Jiraiya performing the Kebari Senbon]
[picture of Pain's panda summon with many needles in it]
→↓Without a doubt, the "Hair Needle Senbon" hit ceaselessly like rain!! The sharpened points of the needles turn the target's entire body into a pincushion.

He can, as long as they accelerate his hairs growth. The amateratsu isn't using enton at this point. More so, the only time he hit an opponent with amatateratsu at this point was Raikage, who it didn't spread on, as it shouldn't. Having uses Needle Jizo would simply affect the hair that was in contact with the amateratsu, which can be shot off, as I have proved. Amateratsu doesn't spread as casual fire does, nor is it spreading as you say it is on chakra infused hair, since burning through chakra isn't easy at all as shown multiple times in the manga.

Canopy Barrier is zero help against Amaterasu as it doesn't let him sense chakra, it lets him sense movements from within the barrier, useless since Sasuke isn't in the barrier.

Canopy senses chakra or pressure, either way it is effective. Saying it senses only movements is a complete assumption, considering Animal Paths wasn't moving yet claimed the barrier will easily sense his presence [

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If he drops Gamahiro on him, then Sasuke simply uses

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(but on a larger scale) and lights the toad up.

Susanoo covers Sasuke

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, regardless of the lack of legs. Goemon isn't going to bypass Susanoo and hit Sasuke, not to mention using Goemon while Gamahiro is on Sasuke will only lead to him killing the toad.

What? The toad is dropped directly atop of him. He isn't reacting to something occurring right atop of him, nor is enton going to be used when MS Sasuke needs to prep it as blood rips his eye. Furthermore, once the Toad has dropped on Sasuke, the Susano will be against its back, its not going to stay standing and begin squatting several tonnes. Kyuubi 100% was physically restrained, everything suggests the full Kyuubi is in another league of strength in comparison to v3 Susano. Once he is in that position, he can light him on Enton, but that doesn't instantly disintegrate him. Gonna take a few minutes, or Sasuke choses another method to get him off instead of slowly killing him. Anyways, by the time Gamahiro has been killed from amateratsu, Sasuke would've long died from Goemon bypassing his v3's bottom section.

Incorrect. Susano isn't covering under Sasuke.. Madara has already been taken out with Gaara's sand from the bottom of the Susano.. Although Gamahiro dying isn't a problem since Sasuke is also dying.

These 3 toads definitely aren't helping anything. Genjutsu isn't useful anyway.


lol, and? It canceling out Shukaku's Fuuton when he was only at a fraction of his strength doesn't mean that its doing anything Susanoo. Quite the contrary. Susanoo tanks with zero difficulty considering weaker forms can protect Itachi from Kirin at the cost of it being destroyed, and the fact that it took a Danzo's Fuuton multiplied in power many many times by Baku's suction (

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in the back.

Fair enough. Although it is still a viable distraction and counter to any of Sasuke's Katons. Although the three toads do indeed help, you seem to underestimate their sheer power..

Jiraiya doesn't have access to a matured Gamakichi as he is dead during the period Gamakichi is matured in. So that point is automatically invalid right there. The only Gamakichi he'd have is the one from the Invasion of Pain Arc.

Alright, don't mind that, he's not that useful anyways.

If any toad decides to fight against Susanoo, then Enton fireballs light them up one by one. Or arrows skewer them.

-No Toad is even putting a dent on Susanoo or budging it in the slightest, all their melee attacks get tanked with no difficulty. Matured Gamakichi is irrelevant here as Jiraiya doesn't have access to him.

Fire sealing method can take out amateratsu as shown before. Since he has no enton arrows, they aren't that much of a threat. Gamaken can tank any with his shield, seeing as though non-union arrows have no feats, while Gamakens shield does. Fukasaku counters with his tongue, as it has better destruction and piercing feats. Anyways, Sasuke will be launching them while he drowns in Swamp of the underworld.

Lol? Bunta's sword easily moves Susano. Gamahiro double sword, Bunta sword, and Gamaken sword all at once sends it flying. however, I am not claiming they take an offensive apart from Gamahiro who is used as a food cart destroyer, leading to the Goemon.

 

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...Jiraiya's got this.

 

[NarutoIndra]

no prince charles but ima turn up on narutoindra if he keeps spiting this nonsense

Was that supposed to be intimidating? (._. ) Anyways, your attempts of acting like Prince Charles are beyond pathetic.

 

[Steinbiz]

20 meters? oh god. Jiraiya blitz's Sasuke with an Ultimate Rasengan. Amaterasu counter?, good job, now it's an Amaterasu Ultimate Rasengan hitting you.

Or you could activate Susano'o. Oh wait, senjutsu Swamp of the Underworld roflstomps Susano'o.

At least increase the gap from 20 meters to like 200 meters, then Sasuke has time to actually react and plan somewhat.

Either way, SM Jiraiya wins rather easily. mid-diff at absolute most for Jiraiya.

 

[Turson]

20 meters? oh god. Jiraiya blitz's Sasuke with an Ultimate Rasengan. Amaterasu counter?, good job, now it's an Amaterasu Ultimate Rasengan hitting you.

Or you could activate Susano'o. Oh wait, senjutsu Swamp of the Underworld roflstomps Susano'o.

At least increase the gap from 20 meters to like 200 meters, then Sasuke has time to actually react and plan somewhat.

Either way, SM Jiraiya wins rather easily. mid-diff at absolute most for Jiraiya.

So now Jiraiya is faster than V1 A? Right...

 

[KidGamer65]

What? How can Chidori Nagashi disperse it? Even if it did, the quantity and thickness it is in was enough to prevent Manda from getting out. Doesn't make any sense at all, only because it is its elemental disadvantage does not mean it will always counter it.

Raiton counters Doton by traveling through it and breaking it apart, a similar effect would occur when sued in the swamp.

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He can, as long as they accelerate his hairs growth. The amateratsu isn't using enton at this point. More so, the only time he hit an opponent with amatateratsu at this point was Raikage, who it didn't spread on, as it shouldn't. Having uses Needle Jizo would simply affect the hair that was in contact with the amateratsu, which can be shot off, as I have proved. Amateratsu doesn't spread as casual fire does, nor is it spreading as you say it is on chakra infused hair, since burning through chakra isn't easy at all as shown multiple times in the manga.

Using the Raikage here as evidence it won't spread doesn't mean that it won't spread when it hits a guy's hair, cause hair is much more flammable than Ay's Raiton Armor protected skin.

Canopy senses chakra or pressure, either way it is effective. Saying it senses only movements is a complete assumption, considering Animal Paths wasn't moving yet claimed the barrier will easily sense his presence [

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It doesn't sense movement, but it senses people the field touches hence Animal Path's statement, on the contrary there is zero evidence that it senses chakra as the barrier isn't shown to act that way. It would sense his presence because its touching him, similar to contact sensing and not chakra sensing.

Sensing someone the barrier is touching is different from sensing the chakra build up of Amaterasu, which is only possible if you can sense chakra. Though there is no evidence the barrier even does that.

What? The toad is dropped directly atop of him. He isn't reacting to something occurring right atop of him, nor is enton going to be used when MS Sasuke needs to prep it as blood rips his eye. Furthermore, once the Toad has dropped on Sasuke, the Susano will be against its back, its not going to stay standing and begin squatting several tonnes. Kyuubi 100% was physically restrained, everything suggests the full Kyuubi is in another league of strength in comparison to v3 Susano. Once he is in that position, he can light him on Enton, but that doesn't instantly disintegrate him. Gonna take a few minutes, or Sasuke choses another method to get him off instead of slowly killing him. Anyways, by the time Gamahiro has been killed from amateratsu, Sasuke would've long died from Goemon bypassing his v3's bottom section.

Who said he had to react to the toad to use Enton? If the toad is sitting on his Susanoo and he uses Enton on his Susanoo what do you think is going to happen? The toad on Susanoo gets lit on fire.

Only Amaterasu has that prep, but its irrelevant here as prep doesn't matter here.

Sasuke can keep this up as long as it'll take to kill Gamahiro via Enton (Not long since he can put more and more flame into it) since Goemon isn't getting past Susanoo in the first place.

Incorrect. Susano isn't covering under Sasuke.. Madara has already been taken out with Gaara's sand from the bottom of the Susano.. Although Gamahiro dying isn't a problem since Sasuke is also dying.

No, V3 can cover the bottom. [

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Referencing Madara doesn't help as he was using a level 2 Susanoo, not a Level 3.

Fair enough. Although it is still a viable distraction and counter to any of Sasuke's Katons. Although the three toads do indeed help, you seem to underestimate their sheer power..

I doubt it.

Fire sealing method can take out amateratsu as shown before. Since he has no enton arrows, they aren't that much of a threat. Gamaken can tank any with his shield, seeing as though non-union arrows have no feats, while Gamakens shield does. Fukasaku counters with his tongue, as it has better destruction and piercing feats. Anyways, Sasuke will be launching them while he drowns in Swamp of the underworld.

-Jiraiya has 1 sealing scroll for that meaning he can only block 1 Enton fireball, 1 time. While Sasuke can use them multiple times.

-Your counters for Susanoo arrow don't mean much when they can't even react to block them, considering Kakashi was forced to use Kamui instead of evading it, and he has Sharingan pre cog on his side.

Lol? Bunta's sword easily moves Susano. Gamahiro double sword, Bunta sword, and Gamaken sword all at once sends it flying. however, I am not claiming they take an offensive apart from Gamahiro who is used as a food cart destroyer, leading to the Goemon.

No, it doesn't they are far too weak to do anything to Susanoo, they wouldn't damage it nor would they move it. Not when Susanoo takes worse things and doesn't budge.

-Danzo's enhanced Fuuton didn't blow it away or knock it off the pillar.

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, far weaker than level 3, budge an inch.

Toads swinging their weapons aren't going to damage it or send it flying.

 

[Steinbiz]

So now Jiraiya is faster than V1 A? Right...

physically, no. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying SM increases speed a ridiculous amount. And while Sasuke is indeed fast himself. SM Jiraiya has shown to be at least as fast if not faster. Judging from SM feats and hype, I'm guessing Sm Jiraiya is faster.

But I don't quite understand your argument. V1 A was able to speed blitz Sasuke rather easily until Sasuke just whipped out Susano'o to defend. True Sasuke could do the exact same thing to Jiraiya, but Jiraiya has a far larger jutsu variety than A. Plus Sm Jiraiya has shown to shunshin blitz approx 20-40 meters instantly with an Ultimate Rasengan at the ready. Amaterasu wouldn't help him in the situation, and only Susano'o would. But at this point, Jiraiya would see/sense that and apply a secondary jutsu accordingly.

If I'm missing your point, let me know.

 

[Unorthodox]

Was that supposed to be intimidating? (._. ) Anyways, your attempts of acting like Prince Charles are beyond pathetic.

Lel i wasit acting like prince charles i was just sayin ima turn up if you keep spiting nonsense that why i said no prince charles kid


anyways ill counter your post give me some time im watching bleach ")

PS. this should not be up for debate when he cannot dodge or block his amaterasu or susanoo arrow but ill play your game

 

[NarutoIndra]

Raiton counters Doton by traveling through it and breaking it apart, a similar effect would occur when sued in the swamp.

Raiton counters doton because it easily pierces it and shatters it apart, for example, Hell stab and Chidori. However, this is mud we are speaking about, which isn't being affected by piercing or shattering. Saying it will simply disperse and spread out is deductive fallacy. Swamp remain unaffected until proven otherwise.

Using the Raikage here as evidence it won't spread doesn't mean that it won't spread when it hits a guy's hair, cause hair is much more flammable than Ay's Raiton Armor protected skin.

Doesn't change the fact that this isn't regular hair to be flammable. This is chakra infused hair. The only reason fire spreads out on hair quickly is because hairs main ingredient is CO2. However, the hair being infused with chakra would mean the chakra would have to burn initially, to proceed to burn through the hair. More so, I don't believe amateratsu spreads as quick as regular fire does, as you can see here [

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], it didn't spread on grass when it should've easily. Also, Gaara's sand is infused with chakra as Jiraiya's hair is infused with chakra. Gaara's sand still seemed to be unaffected [

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] for a short while due to the fact the amateratsu slowly burns through chakra, despite common belief. knowing this, nothing suggests Jiraiya's hair will be affected by amateratsu to the point you are making it seem.

It doesn't sense movement, but it senses people the field touches hence Animal Path's statement, on the contrary there is zero evidence that it senses chakra as the barrier isn't shown to act that way. It would sense his presence because its touching him, similar to contact sensing and not chakra sensing.

Fair enough. It is still sensing any movement in the barrier with the utmost sensitivity. This is evident with the datebook, as it speaks of

This technique creates a spherical detection barrier with the user at the centre. At the user's command, the detection barrier can expand, grasping everything in the room. The user is able to detect anyone who moves inside the barrier space with their own "sense"

Sensing someone the barrier is touching is different from sensing the chakra build up of Amaterasu, which is only possible if you can sense chakra. Though there is no evidence the barrier even does that.

I disagree. The barrier can sense movement, meaning the second amateratsu is used, it is sensed, and can be reacted to, in contrast to having to see it to react to it.

Who said he had to react to the toad to use Enton? If the toad is sitting on his Susanoo and he uses Enton on his Susanoo what do you think is going to happen? The toad on Susanoo gets lit on fire.

You fail to realise what I am implying. What I am saying, is that even with the toad being lit on fire, he still remains atop of the Susano. Unless you are suggesting he's burned down to as he in under several minutes, I don't see your point. Basically what I am saying is, the toad being under fire doesn't prohibit him from remaining on top of Susano. This buys time for Swamp of underworld to drown Sasuke or Goemon to kill Sasuke (which I will address soon).

Only Amaterasu has that prep, but its irrelevant here as prep doesn't matter here.

Already said, enton isn't removing the toad from lying right over it.

Sasuke can keep this up as long as it'll take to kill Gamahiro via Enton (Not long since he can put more and more flame into it) since Goemon isn't getting past Susanoo in the first place.

More and more flame? You seem to think this is EMS Sasuke. Even Tobi said Sasuke having used amateratsu and Susano at the same time had a large toll on his chakra. Doing this for a single toad would be of big problems for Sasuke [

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No, V3 can cover the bottom. [

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Referencing Madara doesn't help as he was using a level 2 Susanoo, not a Level 3.

That is EMS Susano, not MS Susano. Different feats and characteristics. Seems to me he is always standing in it [

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] There's a clear difference in manipulation between Sasuke in the war arc and Sasuke here. This Sasuke doesn't know how to use a legged Susano, meaning he doesn't have full capability of the manifestations of his Susano. EMS Sasuke clearly does seeing as how he could create a lower body and surround his Susano around the Kyuubi. Anyways, nothing suggests MS Sasuke can do what you are claiming. This would imply my claim of Goemon working is still viable.

I doubt it.

Doubt the Katon being countered by Suiton or the sheer power of the toads? The Katon will definitely being stopped with the Suiton, no chance at all. The toads also have immense strength, so I don't see your point.

-Jiraiya has 1 sealing scroll for that meaning he can only block 1 Enton fireball, 1 time. While Sasuke can use them multiple times.

-Your counters for Susanoo arrow don't mean much when they can't even react to block them, considering Kakashi was forced to use Kamui instead of evading it, and he has Sharingan pre cog on his side.

-Fair enough, although I don't see Sasuke benefitting from using multiple Katons. After the first one, it is already obvious that a simple jump from them would simply evade the Amateratsu empowered Katon. And yes, the toads do have immense jumping capability.

-SM isn't reacting to Arrow? I recall Kabuto effortlessly dodging it.. Fukasaku's tongue takes it out, Gamaken's shield stops it. Anyways, this entire match up can be ended easily. Shima uses her Fuuton dust, which covers a scale large enough to cover Bunta and stop the Rinnegan from seeing, even though it can see chakra [

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].Then, with Canopy barrier, Jiraiya senses Sasuke, uses Swamp of the underworld on Susano, followed by a food cart destroyer and gg, Sasuke won't even have noticed.

No, it doesn't they are far too weak to do anything to Susanoo, they wouldn't damage it nor would they move it. Not when Susanoo takes worse things and doesn't budge.

-Danzo's enhanced Fuuton didn't blow it away or knock it off the pillar.

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, far weaker than level 3, budge an inch.

Toads swinging their weapons aren't going to damage it or send it flying.

They have the means to move it, definitely.

-Don't recall, likely wasn't packing power. Scan of this, I don't recall? Anyways, if you are talking about this [

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] then lol as its strength doesn't compare to Gamahiro's left hand, let alone all three toads.

-That move had barely any force behind it. Apart from Temari's decent Futon, and Gaara's laughable sand tech, this move didn't pack any force. Once again, this attack wouldn't even compare to Bunta's Suiton, let alone three toads attacking.

Yes they will. You mentioned before Shikaku was only fighting at a fraction of his strength, but even when he was at full power, he was still being overpowered by Bunta, as he himself said [

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[Minator93]

Since Jiraya starts in SM Sound Genjutsu 1-shots U_U

 

[Ahmed1993]

MS Sasuke high diff U_U

 

[Unorthodox]

Raiton counters doton because it easily pierces it and shatters it apart, for example, Hell stab and Chidori. However, this is mud we are speaking about, which isn't being affected by piercing or shattering. Saying it will simply disperse and spread out is deductive fallacy. Swamp remain unaffected until proven otherwise.





Doesn't change the fact that this isn't regular hair to be flammable. This is chakra infused hair. The only reason fire spreads out on hair quickly is because hairs main ingredient is CO2. However, the hair being infused with chakra would mean the chakra would have to burn initially, to proceed to burn through the hair. More so, I don't believe amateratsu spreads as quick as regular fire does, as you can see here [

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], it didn't spread on grass when it should've easily. Also, Gaara's sand is infused with chakra as Jiraiya's hair is infused with chakra. Gaara's sand still seemed to be unaffected [

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] for a short while due to the fact the amateratsu slowly burns through chakra, despite common belief. knowing this, nothing suggests Jiraiya's hair will be affected by amateratsu to the point you are making it seem.



Fair enough. It is still sensing any movement in the barrier with the utmost sensitivity. This is evident with the datebook, as it speaks of



I disagree. The barrier can sense movement, meaning the second amateratsu is used, it is sensed, and can be reacted to, in contrast to having to see it to react to it.



You fail to realise what I am implying. What I am saying, is that even with the toad being lit on fire, he still remains atop of the Susano. Unless you are suggesting he's burned down to as he in under several minutes, I don't see your point. Basically what I am saying is, the toad being under fire doesn't prohibit him from remaining on top of Susano. This buys time for Swamp of underworld to drown Sasuke or Goemon to kill Sasuke (which I will address soon).



Already said, enton isn't removing the toad from lying right over it.



More and more flame? You seem to think this is EMS Sasuke. Even Tobi said Sasuke having used amateratsu and Susano at the same time had a large toll on his chakra. Doing this for a single toad would be of big problems for Sasuke [

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That is EMS Susano, not MS Susano. Different feats and characteristics. Seems to me he is always standing in it [

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] There's a clear difference in manipulation between Sasuke in the war arc and Sasuke here. This Sasuke doesn't know how to use a legged Susano, meaning he doesn't have full capability of the manifestations of his Susano. EMS Sasuke clearly does seeing as how he could create a lower body and surround his Susano around the Kyuubi. Anyways, nothing suggests MS Sasuke can do what you are claiming. This would imply my claim of Goemon working is still viable.



Doubt the Katon being countered by Suiton or the sheer power of the toads? The Katon will definitely being stopped with the Suiton, no chance at all. The toads also have immense strength, so I don't see your point.



-Fair enough, although I don't see Sasuke benefitting from using multiple Katons. After the first one, it is already obvious that a simple jump from them would simply evade the Amateratsu empowered Katon. And yes, the toads do have immense jumping capability.

-SM isn't reacting to Arrow? I recall Kabuto effortlessly dodging it.. Fukasaku's tongue takes it out, Gamaken's shield stops it. Anyways, this entire match up can be ended easily. Shima uses her Fuuton dust, which covers a scale large enough to cover Bunta and stop the Rinnegan from seeing, even though it can see chakra [

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].Then, with Canopy barrier, Jiraiya senses Sasuke, uses Swamp of the underworld on Susano, followed by a food cart destroyer and gg, Sasuke won't even have noticed.



They have the means to move it, definitely.

-Don't recall, likely wasn't packing power. Scan of this, I don't recall? Anyways, if you are talking about this [

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-That move had barely any force behind it. Apart from Temari's decent Futon, and Gaara's laughable sand tech, this move didn't pack any force. Once again, this attack wouldn't even compare to Bunta's Suiton, let alone three toads attacking.

Yes they will. You mentioned before Shikaku was only fighting at a fraction of his strength, but even when he was at full power, he was still being overpowered by Bunta, as he himself said [

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nonsense if kidgamer fail i wont

ill start by saying sasuke uses susanoo arrow 1 shot i want to see your big reply

 

[Penguin]

nonsense if kidgamer fail i wont

ill start by saying sasuke uses susanoo arrow 1 shot i want to see your big reply

You cannot be compared to Indra or KG. They both shit on you. u.u

MS Sasuke high difficulty. Susano'o arrow is a *****.

 

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You cannot be compared to Indra or KG. They both shit on you. u.u

MS Sasuke high difficulty. Susano'o arrow is a *****.

Well, talk about blunt. Lol.

OT - Sasuke.