Uchiha Pre-Cog still works

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"Don't fear the man who does thousands techniques. Fear the man who does one technique thousand times". With that being said, yes I talked about Amaterasu and Susanno.

Orochimaru knows alot more but would lose to Susanoo. Quality = Itachi
Quantity = Orochimaru
Oh no complaints from me on that. Quality >Quantity for sure. But Orohas some pretty OP Ninjutsu like Bashomon Gates....

...too bad for him by the time he even put the handseals together to even perform it, Itachi already has him in a genjutsu...I wonder if those gates could block Amateratsu or would they just burn? Hmmmm....
 

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Oh no complaints from me on that. Quality >Quantity for sure. But Orohas some pretty OP Ninjutsu like Bashomon Gates....

...too bad for him by the time he even put the handseals together to even perform it, Itachi already has him in a genjutsu...I wonder if those gates could block Amateratsu or would they just burn? Hmmmm....
I think there is no need for the gates. Orochimaru can just use that rebirth jutsu. XD (that's actually one of the best ninjutsus in the series AND SO UNDERRATED)

Orochimaru is great overall but a bad match up for Itachi. It's like Tsunade vs Temari. I think based on Ninjutsu Tsunade has a lot more to offer than Temari but Temari has an advantage as a long range fighter.
 

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Nicely done!...

It's like no1 is even paying attention to the martial arts aspect.. I agree with this just based on what I've learned in the arts an there's no denying that it takes skill/perfection to win when your opponent is just as skilled or better!..

Even so... when it came to the sharingan (most the time) they mostly fought some1 of there caliber or a tad bit below them so pre-cog to a degree wasn't needed to get the job done..


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Ah nice what discipline?

I've been doing Muay Thai for 6 years and Jeet Kune Do for about 2 years now

Yeah I always use a martial arts approach when analyzing fights in this series. One of the reasons I admire it since Kishi always had subtle hints(Foot placement, positioning, guard etc)
 

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Unless you're counting Itachi's doujutsu feats (im
Which case you're right then) Not really. Orochimaru has a ton of powerful Ninjutsu of varying types. Itachi has powerful Fire Ninjutsu and superior Taijutsu. I consider Susanoo, Amateratsu doujutsu feats but I can understand if you classify them as Ninjutsu though, in which my argument falls apart.

Unfortunately for Orochimaru Itachi's greatest mastery is his greatest weakness...genjutsu.

But where Ninjutsu is concerned Orochimaru takes this...too bad it wasn't enough to even make him a challenge.
Just throwing this in there but I think the manga itself classifies ama and susanoo as jutsus, iirc itachi says susanoo is one of the three jutsus granted by mangekyo(or something to that effect) ama being one of the others
 

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I don't believe the sharigan pre cog was nerfed.

As for the martial arts stuff. Fighting is all about rhythm and flow. Learn your opponents rhythm and you basically have pre-cog. :cool:
 

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Sasuke was overpowering naruto at vote 2 but i agree at vote 1 naruto w/ kyuubi chakra couldnt touch sasuke untill he got cloak 1 but at vote 2 naruto could touch sasuke and deal some damage in base
 
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Saw a couple threads about Pre-cog being nerfed with the Sharingan and I wanted to say this:

The Uchiha pre-cog is not nerfed against stronger opponents. The issue is those opponents are:

Experienced in combat
Experts in their fighting ability
Know their opponents moves.


Case and point: Hashirama and Madara

While Yes, Madara eyes can see things before they happen giving him a huge advantage in a fight. What people forget is that once you have mastered your fighting ability you will know your opponents moves regardless of precognition. While yes Madara precog helped him tremendously people must remember that Hashirama also fought and battled and for every mistake he made he learned from that mistake and mastered his technique.

Example: Martial arts

In martial arts one of the greatest achievements one can reach is being so experienced and knowledgeable that you know your opponents moves before they make them. This can be decided based on:

Position
Style of Attack
Weapon they use
ETC

Look at this image:

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This picture is a good example as it illustrates Hashirama blocking Madara's warfan. Clearly we can all see that Madara's next move will either be either his Scythe OR some form of kick. Hashirama (Who isnt in sage mode) has clearly set himself up in a defensive position to not only block the warfan attack but also counter the next attack. This is not because he has pre-cog but because of his experience in battling MANY uchiha and many other shinobi to hone his fighting ability to the point of perfection.

So just because uchiha get beat in Taijutsu doesn't mean they are nerfed. It just means that their opponent has mastered their technique and have the speed and stamina to match it.

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It is nerfed. The ability wasn't thought through by Kishimoto. It's a fight-ender which would ruin the sales of the manga if precog finished every fight.
 

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It is nerfed. The ability wasn't thought through by Kishimoto. It's a fight-ender which would ruin the sales of the manga if precog finished every fight.
Against a superior opponent that has perfected their style and knows your moves. Even with precog it wont help as an expert will know your moves as well. Look ag hashi and madara image.
 
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