Uchiha Pre-Cog still works

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Saw a couple threads about Pre-cog being nerfed with the Sharingan and I wanted to say this:

The Uchiha pre-cog is not nerfed against stronger opponents. The issue is those opponents are:

Experienced in combat
Experts in their fighting ability
Know their opponents moves.


Case and point: Hashirama and Madara

While Yes, Madara eyes can see things before they happen giving him a huge advantage in a fight. What people forget is that once you have mastered your fighting ability you will know your opponents moves regardless of precognition. While yes Madara precog helped him tremendously people must remember that Hashirama also fought and battled and for every mistake he made he learned from that mistake and mastered his technique.

Example: Martial arts

In martial arts one of the greatest achievements one can reach is being so experienced and knowledgeable that you know your opponents moves before they make them. This can be decided based on:

Position
Style of Attack
Weapon they use
ETC

Look at this image:

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This picture is a good example as it illustrates Hashirama blocking Madara's warfan. Clearly we can all see that Madara's next move will either be either his Scythe OR some form of kick. Hashirama (Who isnt in sage mode) has clearly set himself up in a defensive position to not only block the warfan attack but also counter the next attack. This is not because he has pre-cog but because of his experience in battling MANY uchiha and many other shinobi to hone his fighting ability to the point of perfection.

So just because uchiha get beat in Taijutsu doesn't mean they are nerfed. It just means that their opponent has mastered their technique and have the speed and stamina to match it.

Thoughts?
 
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So the uchiha has to be perfect and the best in everything?
Orochimaru is better than Itachi is Ninjutsu!!!...#Facts
8 gates guy is better than Madara at taijutsu!!!...
It doesn't have anything to do with know your opponents moves in guy Vs Madara case:p
 

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So the uchiha has to be perfect and the best in everything?
Orochimaru is better than Itachi is Ninjutsu!!!...#Facts
8 gates guy is better than Madara at taijutsu!!!...
It doesn't have anything to do with know your opponents moves in guy Vs Madara case:p
This directed at me?

All im saying is Pre-cog wasn't nerfed lol

Madara / Gai situation was Gai being a much much faster and stronger opponent
 
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:lmao: Fanfic.

OT it was nerfed. Only time it wasn't was EMS Sasuke and Naruto vs JJ Obito. After that Sasuke couldn't follow nobody's movements if not a bit.
Fanfic yet we never saw EMS Sasuke or EMS Madara overpower Naruto and Hashirama from close range :coffee: Sasuke's pre-cog only gives him an advantage against equal level opponents when he has S/t
 
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Fanfic yet we never saw EMS Sasuke or EMS Madara overpower Naruto and Hashirama from close range :coffee:
Yet we've already seen Sasuke beat Naruto with precog. We don't know what Madara did to Hashirama who have healing on par or better than Byakugou Tsunade. EMS Sasuke and Naruto also never fought in taijutsu so ala fanfic.
 

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Yet we've already seen Sasuke beat Naruto with precog. We don't know what Madara did to Hashirama who have healing on par or better than Byakugou Tsunade. EMS Sasuke and Naruto also never fought in taijutsu so ala fanfic.
Last I checked his pre-cog failed against Kaguya, and it required a exhausted Naruto on the verge of death for him to have the upper hand in taijutsu

#Facts
 

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Why wouldn't precog still work? Though it's undoubtedly overrated.

It's not that special when the ninja up against it has superior reflexes, or abilities that can bypass it. Which is most of the time, unless they are fodder.
 

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Not talking about part 1 when Naruto's power still hadn't bloomed. Last I checked his pre-cog failed against Kaguya unlike Naruto's reaction time

#Facts
Last time i checked Sasuke's power wasn't at it's peak either. And vs Kaguya Naruto couldn't even follow her either until after Sasuke got taken. Precog isn't gonna work on something without muscle movements bruh. Why reaching fam?
 

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Saw a couple threads about Pre-cog being nerfed with the Sharingan and I wanted to say this:

The Uchiha pre-cog is not nerfed against stronger opponents. The issue is those opponents are:

Experienced in combat
Experts in their fighting ability
Know their opponents moves.


Case and point: Hashirama and Madara

While Yes, Madara eyes can see things before they happen giving him a huge advantage in a fight. What people forget is that once you have mastered your fighting ability you will know your opponents moves regardless of precognition. While yes Madara precog helped him tremendously people must remember that Hashirama also fought and battled and for every mistake he made he learned from that mistake and mastered his technique.

Example: Martial arts

In martial arts one of the greatest achievements one can reach is being so experienced and knowledgeable that you know your opponents moves before they make them. This can be decided based on:

Position
Style of Attack
Weapon they use
ETC

Look at this image:

You must be registered for see images


This picture is a good example as it illustrates Hashirama blocking Madara's warfan. Clearly we can all see that Madara's next move will either be either his Scythe OR some form of kick. Hashirama (Who isnt in sage mode) has clearly set himself up in a defensive position to not only block the warfan attack but also counter the next attack. This is not because he has pre-cog but because of his experience in battling MANY uchiha and many other shinobi to hone his fighting ability to the point of perfection.

So just because uchiha get beat in Taijutsu doesn't mean they are nerfed. It just means that their opponent has mastered their technique and have the speed and stamina to match it.

Thoughts?


Nicely done!...

It's like no1 is even paying attention to the martial arts aspect.. I agree with this just based on what I've learned in the arts an there's no denying that it takes skill/perfection to win when your opponent is just as skilled or better!..

Even so... when it came to the sharingan (most the time) they mostly fought some1 of there caliber or a tad bit below them so pre-cog to a degree wasn't needed to get the job done..


RESPECT
 

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I think it's fine, worst case is pre cog had to be dialed down a bit cause by the analysis we get in pt 1 it would be pretty op to still be able to use it to the fullest in part 2... honestly it makes more sense that it's not op to me. If anything it was dialed back for the war arc power scaling. Sasukes precog sure as f ck helped against b, and then again against ay when they rush each other
 

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So the uchiha has to be perfect and the best in everything?
Orochimaru is better than Itachi is Ninjutsu!!!...#Facts
8 gates guy is better than Madara at taijutsu!!!...
It doesn't have anything to do with know your opponents moves in guy Vs Madara case:p
Itachi > Orochimaru in ninjutsu no contest.
 

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Itachi > Orochimaru in ninjutsu no contest.
Unless you're counting Itachi's doujutsu feats (im
Which case you're right then) Not really. Orochimaru has a ton of powerful Ninjutsu of varying types. Itachi has powerful Fire Ninjutsu and superior Taijutsu. I consider Susanoo, Amateratsu doujutsu feats but I can understand if you classify them as Ninjutsu though, in which my argument falls apart.

Unfortunately for Orochimaru Itachi's greatest mastery is his greatest weakness...genjutsu.

But where Ninjutsu is concerned Orochimaru takes this...too bad it wasn't enough to even make him a challenge.
 

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Unless you're counting Itachi's doujutsu feats (im
Which case you're right then) Not really. Orochimaru has a ton of powerful Ninjutsu of varying types. Itachi has powerful Fire Ninjutsu and superior Taijutsu. I consider Susanoo, Amateratsu doujutsu feats but I can understand if you classify them as Ninjutsu though, in which my argument falls apart.

Unfortunately for Orochimaru Itachi's greatest mastery is his greatest weakness...genjutsu.

But where Ninjutsu is concerned Orochimaru takes this...too bad it wasn't enough to even make him a challenge.
"Don't fear the man who does thousands techniques. Fear the man who does one technique thousand times". With that being said, yes I talked about Amaterasu and Susanno.

Orochimaru knows alot more but would lose to Susanoo. Quality = Itachi
Quantity = Orochimaru
 
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