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Good afternoon. I apologize for making another thread, but I just thought I should give the whole perspective of some of the fans. First thread in a while.

So all this talk about Uchiha being evil and etc going around the base is really biased and coming from people who I suppose do not understand humanity.

Hashirama's purpose of making Madara the Hokage:

By this Hashirama hoped to change Madara. For example, Gaara who was once a beast and a killer turned different due to becoming Hokage and having responsibility. For this who are calling Hashirama naive, seem to have no knowledge of countries and kingdoms or politics work.

His choice by far was the wiser one. By making Madara the Hokage he would've stabilized the Madara supporters and further on there would've been peace. Madara wanted to protect Konoha, this is visible when he stopped Muu and Onoki and threatened them. With Hashirama guiding him things would've been fine.

Tobirama's Actions:

Tobirama has shown to possess great amount hate towards Madara. He was prejudice in a sense that he called the Uchiha a clan possessed by evil. Yet he failed to recognize what he was doing was also possessed by evil. Tobirama's stubbornness on calling the Uchiha evil and etc was the cause of the Coup.

In a sense , Tobirama was the "hot-headed youngster". He made everything seem plain and simple. Uchiha = Evil.. so they shouldn't be the leader.. If I were to pick the naive one out of the 2 brothers, I will pick Tobirama.


Uchiha:

Actions

-Selected a member from another clan as their leader
- Protected Konoha in all 3 wars

Result- Segregated into a corner
- Blamed for the 9-tails attack
- Killed when they voiced against all of that.
 

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hmm some proof but many will come and their "opinions" as yours will differ
 

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agree with you
 

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madara really and truthfully should of just taken the role as 2nd hokage or fought tobirama for tht spot instead of fighting the 1st hokage for his spot, it seems like no1 can take on madara except the 1st so jus wait it out and take the role as 2nd
 

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I really like this good analysis
 

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madara really and truthfully should of just taken the role as 2nd hokage or fought tobirama for tht spot instead of fighting the 1st hokage for his spot, it seems like no1 can take on madara except the 1st so jus wait it out and take the role as 2nd
He didn't fight first hokage for the spot of the Hokage. o-o.
 

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He didn't fight first hokage for the spot of the Hokage. o-o.

thats wht the history says obvs in todays scan it says otherwise but legends said he fought for role at 1st hokage and lost then left the village

when he should of taken the role as 2nd
 

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im a madara fan boy and honestly i think he should have just taken his place as second hokage it would have stopped all of this from happening and everyone would be happy and who knows itachi might have been the fifth hokage lol
 

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thats wht the history says obvs in todays scan it says otherwise but legends said he fought for role at 1st hokage and lost then left the village

when he should of taken the role as 2nd
o-o. He knew he couldn't have been the second Hokage..
 

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thats wht the history says obvs in todays scan it says otherwise but legends said he fought for role at 1st hokage and lost then left the village

when he should of taken the role as 2nd

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"Also have you heard rumors about the uchiha"

Rumors

The village didn't even trust the uchiha, so how is that tobirama's fault? Lol
Madara's clan not trusting him is not Tobirama's fault.
Madara being unelectable as the village leader is not Tobirama's fault.
Madara being a flip-flopper with too weak a character to stick to his convictions is not Tobirama's fault.
Most importantly, the genetic craziness of Uchihas that leads them to perceive their pain as greater than the one they afflict on others is not Tobirama's fault.
 

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"Also have you heard rumors about the uchiha"

Rumors

The village didn't even trust the uchiha, so how is that tobirama's fault? Lol
Madara's clan not trusting him is not Tobirama's fault.
Madara being unelectable as the village leader is not Tobirama's fault.
Madara being a flip-flopper with too weak a character to stick to his convictions is not Tobirama's fault.
Most importantly, the genetic craziness of Uchihas that leads them to perceive their pain as greater than the one they afflict on others is not Tobirama's fault.
False, do you know what Rumors are? or are you just assuming that the village did not trust the Uchiha?

The rumors were of the Sharingan, not the Uchiha clan members.

Tobirama segregating the Uchiha, Tobirama constantly talking crap about the Uchiha, Tobirama constantly calling them evil... is what a CHILD does. Not what a WISE man does. Wise man finds the solution. WHICH HASHIRAMA DID.
 

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False, do you know what Rumors are? or are you just assuming that the village did not trust the Uchiha?

The rumors were of the Sharingan, not the Uchiha clan members.

Tobirama segregating the Uchiha, Tobirama constantly talking crap about the Uchiha, Tobirama constantly calling them evil... is what a CHILD does. Not what a WISE man does. Wise man finds the solution. WHICH HASHIRAMA DID.

First of all,by the time konoha was created (this chapter) Tobirama respected Hashirama's wishes, he merely led it be known it should be up to the people to decide their rightful leader. The village didn't want Madara, the uchihas didn't want Madara, hell, Madara himself proved Tobirama right and went bananas in the end.
 

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i have to say where did tobi get these RUMORS about the Sharingan???
 

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- Killed when they voiced against all of that.
They were killed because they didn't want to Voice about the problem, They wanted to take the village by Force, Thus indangering the entire fire country and risking Many many thousands of innocent Men/Women and childrens lives.

Hiruzen was the hokage, He was a very reasonable man, He was kind and loved by all, Yet the uchiha's didn't want to sit down with him and talk to him, Hiruzen was the one trying to talk to them.

The uchiha's chose force and they were met with force. Their own damn fault.

You make it sound like they're totally innocent in it all.
 
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Agree 50-50 no 100-500
 
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