Uchiha Madara was defeated by Senju Hashirama because.... of Uzumaki Mito

[HollowRain]

I would say it's possible but highly unlikely. He wouldn't need a fuinjutsu user on-hand right away, considering his expertise at subduing and containing tailed-beasts. Madara's wood dragon monologue in the latest chapters is more than enough reason to plausibly devalue your theory.

Not impossible though. Fair dues.

 

[TheSages456]

Are you really that blind, It's a Comma.

Sometimes i wonder if you're just a bad troll or simply ignorant. Zoom in and you will see it.

Also the viz scan also connects the two sayings together

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You can see the Three ... and the same three ... continue.

Both of the scans link the two together, The one you showed shows a comma, and the Viz shows the ... Both connecting the lines together.

i knew you would bring up the viz despite that being the only scan that implies mito was there and every other translator disagreeing with it. search of NF and use the search engine. type in "was mito there" or something like that and you will see that natives who read the original japanese text say that it doesnt imply that mito was there.

even the scan you used contradicted itself. it says that kushina and mito were both brought to konoha to become kuramas jinchuriki. kurama was already in konoha when mito came and sealed it in herself.

at this point, your argument has been picked apart to the point of you grasping at straws. you keep ignoring that the manga said that mito came to konoha to become the kyuubis jinchuriki when konoha already possessed it. why is that? why cant you counter that point but decide to ignore it and spew more BS?

concession accepted

 

[Exaar]

i knew you would bring up the viz despite that being the only scan that implies mito was there and every other translator disagreeing with it. search of NF and use the search engine. type in "was mito there" or something like that and you will see that natives who read the original japanese text say that it doesnt imply that mito was there.

even the scan you used contradicted itself. it says that kushina and mito were both brought to konoha to become kuramas jinchuriki. kurama was already in konoha when mito came and sealed it in herself.

I'm finding it hard to believe that you cannot understand this.

Scan 1
During their fight, Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails, and in order to better aid him, mito-sama sealed it inside her own body, becoming the first nine-tails jinchuuriki.

Viz scan
It was during that battle in order to lend strength to lord hashirama who had obtained the nine tails... ... lady mito sealed nine tails inside herself using sealing jutsu and became the nintails jinchuuriki

They both state she became a jinchuuriki during that battle, both state she lended hashirama aid, I don't see why thats so hard to accept.

Also it seems you fail to understand the concept on "planning ahead", She could of easily been brought to the leaf to become the host of the 9tails because hashirama was planning on taming it. Madara simply got to the kyuubi befor he did.

The manga does not state she sealed it after the battle, but during the battle.

 

[TheSages456]

I'm finding it hard to believe that you cannot understand this.

Scan 1
During their fight, Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails, and in order to better aid him, mito-sama sealed it inside her own body, becoming the first nine-tails jinchuuriki.

Viz scan
It was during that battle in order to lend strength to lord hashirama who had obtained the nine tails... ... lady mito sealed nine tails inside herself using sealing jutsu and became the nintails jinchuuriki

They both state she became a jinchuuriki during that battle, both state she lended hashirama aid, I don't see why thats so hard to accept.

Also it seems you fail to understand the concept on "planning ahead", She could of easily been brought to the leaf to become the host of the 9tails because hashirama was planning on taming it. Madara simply got to the kyuubi befor he did.

The manga does not state she sealed it after the battle, but during the battle.

so basically i gave you the manga as evidence and you countered with BS speculation that hashirama was planning to take kurama and brought mito in advance.

as i said go to NF forums, use the search engine and type in "was mito there" or something along those lines and you can see that the natives in japan who read the actual japanese text which is superior to the viz(everyother translator says that the viz got the translation for that scan wrong anyway which voids it for that page) say that the text doesnt iply that mito was there.

so basically i take it that you need an english lesson. a comma can be used to separate different points of time in one sentence.

conclusion: you continue to use manga panels that translators say is wrong and you ignore the fact that natives in japan who actually read the japanese text saying that it doesnt imply that mito was there. you also ignored the manga saying that mito came to konoha to become the jinchuriki of the kyuubi that konoha already possessed.

concession accepted.

 

[Exaar]

so basically i gave you the manga as evidence and you countered with BS speculation that hashirama was planning to take kurama and brought mito in advance.

as i said go to NF forums, use the search engine and type in "was mito there" or something along those lines and you can see that the natives in japan who read the actual japanese text which is superior to the viz(everyother translator says that the viz got the translation for that scan wrong anyway which voids it for that page) say that the text doesnt iply that mito was there.

so basically i take it that you need an english lesson. a comma can be used to separate different points of time in one sentence.

conclusion: you continue to use manga panels that translators say is wrong and you ignore the fact that natives in japan who actually read the japanese text saying that it doesnt imply that mito was there. you also ignored the manga saying that mito came to konoha to become the jinchuriki of the kyuubi that konoha already possessed.

concession accepted.

The manga "evidence" you gave states she was there during that battle. I kindly bold/underlined the key parts of that sentences for you.
The viz say's exactly the same thing as the scan you linked.

Also care to show me this so called "evidence" on the NF forums, since you seem to sure and know alot about it, you wouldn't mind sharing the link with the rest of NB

 

[TheSages456]

The manga "evidence" you gave states she was there during that battle. I kindly bold/underlined the key parts of that sentences for you.
The viz say's exactly the same thing as the scan you linked.

Also care to show me this so called "evidence", since you seem to sure and know alot about it, you wouldn't mind sharing the link with the rest of NB

i cant even go on NF right now so thats why i told you to go there yourself

-go on NF

-use the search engine

-type in "was mito there"

-go to the thread

-there is a person by the name of "TakL" or something like that who can read japanese and read the japanese text

-in the thread he states that other natives in japan state that it doesnt imply that mito is there

-he says that it doesnt imply that mito is there

conclusion: mito wasnt there.

oh and i accepted your concession Exaar as you fail to bring up any evidence that hasnt been proved wrong.

 

[Exaar]

i cant even go on NF right now so thats why i told you to go there yourself

-go on NF

-use the search engine

-type in "was mito there"

-go to the thread

-there is a person by the name of "TakL" or something like that who can read japanese and read the japanese text

-in the thread he states that other natives in japan state that it doesnt imply that mito is there

-he says that it doesnt imply that mito is there

conclusion: mito wasnt there.

oh and i accepted your concession Exaar as you fail to bring up any evidence that hasnt been proved wrong.

Well it seems we will have to call a truce on the subject untill the fight is actually shown.

Also takL doesn't outright state she wasn't/was there.

takL Quotes:

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1) "whether or not she was there with hashirama during the fight is still unstated"

2) "like i translated the manga doesnt say the control over kyuubi thingy but hashirama gained 9b from the fight. maybe i shouldve been more precice and put the comment as "... in order to assist(/in aid of) the first(hokage), hashirama-sama(lord hashirama) who had won 9b from(/in) the fight"

3) "and yet we dont know whether she was there during the fight."

A person named Gottheim's version, again he does not outright state she was/wasn't there

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Hi.
Don't worry about the raw, I managed.

…その戦いで九尾を手にした初代柱間様の力になるため
...Sono tatakai de Kyuubi wo te ni shita Shodai Hashirama-sama no chikara ni naru tame
...In order to aid Shodai Hashirama-sama, who'd claimed the Kyuubi for himself during the battle

ミト様は封印術で己の中に九尾を封印し九尾の人柱力となった
Mito-sama ha fuuinjutsu de onore no naka ni Kyuubi wo fuuin shi Kyuubi no jinchuuriki to natta.
Mito-sama used a fuuinjutsu to seal the Kyuubi inside herself, thus becoming its jinchuuriki.

From what I understand, the whole sealing thing happened after the battle. It's a matter of punctuation. Take the exact same sentence, except you put a comma right behind "...Sono tatakai de" and the meaning changes drastically. From "Hashirama claimed the Kyuubi during the fight and Mito sealed it some time later" to "Mito sealed the Kyuubi in the middle of the fight, right after Shodai was done stealing it."

So to answer your question, Hisshou is closer to the true meaning of the text than Sleepyfans.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

For the Love she Was not there hashi most likely decided that kurama was too dangerous to be used again like madara did so he probably asked her or she came forward and said i'll do it mainly because she was an uzumaki