Uchiha Itachi, Kishimoto's best written character.

[Draphsin]

Doesn't matter; even if he was your fav, you could still dislike, or disagree with the contents of the thread.

I Didn't even read the contents, I read the title & the first sentence that said he would try not to make this a wank thread. Since he's known to be a hardcore itachi fan who thinks that he has a shot at beating obito & even thinks that obito feared him[

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] I learned from that & decided not to bother with the thread itself.

He wanked at the title, but said that nothing would be wank, that's all I addressed.

Lol Perhaps I didn't use the best analogy. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that it's just his opinion and the title shouldn't be taken as a fact.

For the 3rd time I'll tell you this, his title was "establishing" a fact, I never said I took it as fact & there's a difference. HE said that itachi is the best written character according to kishi, now unless he has facts to prove that statement then he's just wanking.

Now enough, I don't want to hear any more about this "it's his opinion" nonsense, he had multiple titles to choose from.

There's no need to "point it out", not really relevant to the thread.

His first sentence said he would try not to make this a wank thread, his title does just that. Why should I take someone who wanks a character & then claims they're trying not to seriously?

If it's wanking, it's pretty damn mild compared to some of the other things on this site.

Wanking is wanking.

I find it amusing that someone's opinion on how well a character was written with some justification on their part is considered "wanking".

I find it amusing how you don't bother to read people's posts, I never mentioned anything regarding his justification.

 

[Naruto.]

I agree with most of your points, but we would digress a bit if we were to talk about what Itachi should have done. He did what he did and he failed. I'm amazed at the process of his decisions and the depth to which he went just to preserve a state of mind that Hashirama wanted to pass on. Nagato was good, but the fact that he was so easily manipulated throws me off.

Well, he saw his own parents being killed due to a mistake, and his village was ridden by endless wars. These partly played a role in the way he became. The final pushing point was Yahiko's sacrifice. Manipulated? Debatable. I don't think he was just changed due to a book. While fighting Naruto using the Paths, he came across a unique person, Naruto i.e. While other shinobis would simply kill Nagato when they had the chance, because of revenge, Naruto held back and didn't kill him, although he had anger burning in him, which was completely natural. That way of forgiving and Naruto's character made him realize that it was Naruto who was prophesied to save the world, and also Jiraiya's words, which were rekindled when Naruto talked about the book. Nagato also was on the verge of dying due to using so much chakra at once, which makes me think, triggered his change. From the top, it looks like he was manipulated way too easy, which is an interesting point. Kishimoto should've shown his change while he was fighting Naruto with the Paths. Then, it would seem proper.

 

[Torche]

[size=+2]I Didn't even read the contents, I read the title & the first sentence[/size] that said he would try not to make this a wank thread. Since he's known to be a hardcore itachi fan who thinks that he has a shot at beating obito & even thinks that obito feared him[

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He wanked at the title, but said that nothing would be wank, that's all I addressed.



For the 3rd time I'll tell you this, his title was "establishing" a fact, I never said I took it as fact & there's a difference. HE said that itachi is the best written character according to kishi, now unless he has facts to prove that statement then he's just wanking.

Now enough, I don't want to hear any more about this "it's his opinion" nonsense, he had multiple titles to choose from.



His first sentence said he would try not to make this a wank thread, his title does just that. Why should I take someone who wanks a character & then claims they're trying not to seriously?



Wanking is wanking.



[size=+2]I find it amusing how you don't bother to read people's posts[/size], I never mentioned anything regarding his justification.

Lol @Bold: The irony; hypocrite. Alright, I won't bother with you any more with that logic. I also did read all of you posts, except this one because of your first sentence. I happened to notice the bottom when replying.

Good day.

 

[BLAZE]

Konaha and Ninja world sucks donkey b@lls

 

[Naruto.]

@bold- He couldn't use it. The eye was on cool-down for ten years... it couldn't be used until after he died. Lol



Ok. And Uchiha shut them away. Naruto is not an Uchiha. So, irrelevant point.

That's why I said, "only if he could use it".

 

[Romy9]

Well, he saw his own parents being killed due to a mistake, and his village was ridden by endless wars. These partly played a role in the way he became. The final pushing point was Yahiko's sacrifice. Manipulated? Debatable. I don't think he was just changed due to a book. While fighting Naruto using the Paths, he came across a unique person, Naruto i.e. While other shinobis would simply kill Nagato when they had the chance, because of revenge, Naruto held back and didn't kill him, although he had anger burning in him, which was completely natural. That way of forgiving and Naruto's character made him realize that it was Naruto who was prophesied to save the world, and also Jiraiya's words, which were rekindled when Naruto talked about the book. Nagato also was on the verge of dying due to using so much chakra at once, which makes me think, triggered his change. From the top, it looks like he was manipulated way too easy, which is an interesting point. Kishimoto should've shown his change while he was fighting Naruto with the Paths. Then, it would seem proper.

Maybe the word manipulation was a bit too strong because many characters were manipulated, to an extent. Maybe I should have addressed it as him being prone to do the same things any other dictator wanted to do. In another words, he wanted to get his way, or Madara's way for that matter, through authority of power, through force. I find that a bit generic and not creative. I don't mean to bash him but his behavior wasn't anything special, his means to attain his "peace" was the same as Indra's/Madara's. Itachi is the only one who was unique in a similar decision, excluding Naruto's TnJ, in my pov.

 

[BLAZE]

Lol @Bold: The irony; hypocrite. Alright, I won't bother with you any more with that logic. I also did read all of you posts, except this one because of your first sentence. I happened to notice the bottom when replying.

Good day.

lolololololololol

 

[Naruto.]

Maybe the word manipulation was a bit too strong because many characters were manipulated, to an extent. Maybe I should have addressed it as him being prone to do the same things any other dictator wanted to do. In another words, he wanted to get his way, or Madara's way for that matter, through authority of power, through force. I find that a bit generic and not creative. I don't mean to bash him but his behavior wasn't anything special, his means to attain his "peace" was the same as Indra's/Madara's. Itachi is the only one who was unique in a similar decision, excluding Naruto's TnJ, in my pov.

True. Although, Madara wanted to forcefully put everyone in a dream world, while Nagato sought to make others feel the same pain that he had experienced, so that they would understand what Konoha had done to Amegakure, as well as to him. His idealogy, "Without true pain, one can't experience true peace." The idea was right, but the way he did it was too extreme; merciless killing. Ninshu was the perfect way to connect to people, but people weaponised Ninjutsu as said by the Sage.
Madara's idealogy was different. He believed that true peace can't be achieved in the ninja world, so he decided to create an entirely different world itself; a world which would be perfect.
I think Kishi made him(Nagato) use force, obviously because he was the Akatsuki's leader.

 

[Romy9]

True. Although, Madara wanted to forcefully put everyone in a dream world, while Nagato sought to make others feel the same pain that he had experienced, so that they would understand what Konoha had done to Amegakure, as well as to him. His idealogy, "Without true pain, one can't experience true peace." The idea was right, but the way he did it was too extreme; merciless killing. Ninshu was the perfect way to connect to people, but people weaponised Ninjutsu as said by the Sage.
Madara's idealogy was different. He believed that true peace can't be achieved in the ninja world, so he decided to create an entirely different world itself; a world which would be perfect.
I think Kishi made him(Nagato) use force, obviously because he was an Akatsuki.

Yeah, as far as force was concerned, we should maybe elaborate it more like people not having freedom to do what they wanted. That's how Madara and Nagato connect. Their means are the same through only the state of having people in, aside from the means to get to their goal. When you compare that to Itachi, he never forced anyone to do something against their will except when he killed his clan. I'd say he tried to put a common ground and border to his good and evil doings. Whereas also his evil-doings were meant to be for the greater good. It's more complex than straight-forward than with Madara or Nagato. What do you think?

 

[Draphsin]

Lol @Bold: The irony; hypocrite. Alright, I won't bother with you any more with that logic. I also did read all of you posts, except this one because of your first sentence. I happened to notice the bottom when replying.

Good day.

Oh the even greater irony, moron. I already explained why I didn't read his posts but again your ignorance prevents you from reading my post, why oh why am I not surprised? Lmfao, I read & responded to every single thing you said since you're not the OP, but it seems I should've been taking your idiotic posts with about as much seriousness as the OP's to begin with.

So you can stop trying to act pretentious & admit that you can't say anything to change the fact that he was wanking.

Don't bother with me, it's obvious that you're dead wrong anyways.

All the best.

 

[AntonChigurh]

Hey all. I'll try my best not to make this a wank thread. I don't intent to talk about his power at all. I was re-watching some of the anime episodes, particularly the ones where Orochimaru revives the previous Hokage so Sasuke could get his answers. Usually, when I watch something and try to relate to certain characters, I always ask myself how I would react in similar situations or how something would impact my life in order to make the best decisions out of the worst-case scenario problems.

At the beginning of the manga, we learn of Will of Fire and what it actually means when one inherits it. It was basically a notion in which you defend your village and people whenever they're threatened by a danger. To correlate it with real life, it could be an act of patriotism - you love your country and its people and you'll protect them because you hold them dear. The title of Hokage bears that definition in general. It sounds simple and we always encounter such feats and descriptions in any literature/movie/story etc. However, we don't know how deep the emotions, morals and ethics go until we meet Itachi's character. He makes it complex, hard to understand and in some cases, crazy. His acts are criticized by many people, as I've seen, because his Will of Fire was so deeply understood or sunk in that he was ready to murder his entire family for the sake of his village and peace. Sure, it's crazy to murder your own blood, love and future. But that's where the brilliance of his character comes in. Can you imagine what was going on his head when he was trying to decide whether to kill his own clan or just side with them and let the war take care of itself?

He went for quantity and prosperity. It sounds simple but he saved countless innocent people and children in order to preserve the well-being of the village. I can't fathom how one was able to exclude his own feelings and demean himself to the point of not being relevant just to continue and execute the act of kindness and empathy, something his clan lacked. I would definitely side with my family and I would probably create a lot more bloodshed with killing a lot of innocent people and children in the process. His state of mind must've been so determined because even after saving the village from the imminent war, he continued to look after it and his brother with an unbearable etiquette, a contradicting label to his true actions. How could one sustain such pain, knowing that no one actually knows your true intentions and never will?

Along with that chaos, he still managed to make some difference to the current era, even in his death. He lectured and preserved the right path for the main character and steered another would-be Madara from the wrong path. In the process, he saved the Alliance from many troubles and still died a proud Konoha shinobi, despite knowing that he will always be labeled a criminal. I'll never fully understand his actions because they're not really executable when in relation to real life, but that's exactly what makes him interesting, along with other characteristics such as his intelligence and overall ability. You can hate my opinion or love it but thanks anyway for reading. I think this is the quote that perfectly describes him:

A true meaning of a hero is when a man lays down his life with the knowledge that those he saves... will never know.

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100% True

 

[Sound]

Well I surely do agree with Draphsin on some points but I concur that Itachi is definitely one of the best written characters IMO. He will remain as one of my favourite characters who kept me interested into reading this manga and one of my dearest characters in fiction.

 

[Naruto.]

Yeah, as far as force was concerned, we should maybe elaborate it more like people not having freedom to do what they wanted. That's how Madara and Nagato connect. Their means are the same through only the state of having people in, aside from the means to get to their goal. When you compare that to Itachi, he never forced anyone to do something against their will except when he killed his clan. I'd say he tried to put a common ground and border to his good and evil doings. Whereas also his evil-doings were meant to be for the greater good. It's more complex than straight-forward than with Madara or Nagato. What do you think?

Itachi didn't try to achieve world peace though, lol.
Whereas Madara and Nagato wanted the whole world to achieve peace.

 

[Romy9]

Itachi didn't try to achieve world peace though, lol.
Whereas Madara and Nagato wanted the whole world to achieve world peace.

Itachi tried to preserve it. Madara and Nagato were trying to start the war i.e. disrupt the peace. But we're digressing now..