Uchiha hype

[Prince Badman]

We all know the hype and might of the powerful Uchiha clan. Also people claim that they are the strongest better than senju only second to the Otsutsuki. However when i carefully observed the powers of the Uchiha and analyzed how a clan could have risen to power some striking points arose which led me to conclude that the mighty Uchiha faced a great problem.....Now before going into the details keep in mind all the Uchiha powers and how rare was it for someone among the clan to achieve them, yes i am talking about the EMS and MS.

1. EMS:- The highest form of sharingan an Uchiha could achive. This was so rare that only 2 people were able to awaken it Madara and Sasuke those two being the transmigrants of Indra. This is the ultimate power with no parallels and no drawbacks except for the fact that technique consume a lot of chakra and cause exhaustion to the body however this drawback is related to each and every ninja technique and hence can't be counted as a real drawback.

2. MS:- This power is the 2nd ranked Uchiha vintage which could be unlocked by a chosen few given the circumstances of its awakening, the drastic emotional experience the user has to undergo. This was awakened in a group of exceptional individuals and is more common than the EMS. However tis comes with a major drawback which the people fail to see. Its overuse leads to permanent blindness. Now the important point being the overuse. How to define it....lets take a look at the few scans

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Now this was Itachi one of the wisest and strongest guy in the NV we are talking about. Second case was Sasuke before he gained the EMS....he fought against Bee and Danzo and the use of MS in those two fights almost made him blind.

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So lets say if MS is used extensively for about 4-5 fights you become almost blind.

Now we know that 3-t Uchiha are formidable and stronger than your normal shinobi but they are also less in numbers and over the time others learned the ways to fight sharingan.

In conclusion I would say that technique wise Uchiha were no doubt the strongest but they lacked durability and numbers. Senju on the other hand were skilled in ninjutsus and possessed strong bodies which sort of countered the Uchiha perfectly. So the only point which Uchiha had against them was that a MS wasn't something they could have spammed all day during a war. They had to be careful in their use so that it doesn't affect them adversely. Senju on the other hand were blessed with large chakra so they would have been able to basically spam their techs apart from being good at Taijutsu.....

That is the only reason Uchiha accepted the defeat and surrendered when Hashirama defeated Madara and offered them the peace treaty. Individually Uchiha are no doubt the strongest but a clan or a large scale war is a completely different scenario than a 1v1 fight.

 

[-immortal-]

Actually rinnegan is ghe highest form of the sharingan. You can't unlock rinnegan if you never had a sharingan*

 

[Prince Badman]

Actually rinnegan is ghe highest form of the sharingan. You can't unlock rinnegan if you never had a rinnegan

Awakening the rinnegan comes with too many what ifs and conditions that can't be fulfilled by Uchiha alone so i considered the powers that could be unlocked by Uchiha without using external factors....EMS is rare but not impossible.....Rinnegan well a whole lot of plot no jutsu and what not Transmigrants chakra+ MS+ time delay for that chakra to bloom. So i focused solely on pure Uchiha powers

 

[baul 24]

But i personally think Hypes for clans are irrelavant in naruto.

1. The so called strongest clan(senju) completely went extinct before uchihas for no reason (tsunade - last senju related.)

2. even uchiha which is feared by all and known by all are just killed by 2 people (obito and Itachi) an impossible feat even for them as the uchihas are confident on taking entire village and a clan that can use hax kinjutsus (Izanagi and Izanami), so basically obito and itachi = whole konoha, Well of course not.

3. we have seen the only hype shown by clans are by individual characters but not by clan as a whole as shown neji, shikamaru who are actually not average shinobies but exceptionally outstires of their respective clans.

So the only hype relevant in narutoverse is character wise not clan wise. Correct me if am wrong mate. Yes one thing is right though rinnegan doesn't fall as one of uchiha's abitlity but on the contrary only an uchiha with a sharingan can awake rinnegan, All hail kishi.

 

[Prince Badman]

But i personally think Hypes for clans are irrelavant in naruto.

1. The so called strongest clan(senju) completely went extinct before uchihas for no reason (tsunade - last senju related.)

2. even uchiha which is feared by all and known by all are just killed by 2 people (obito and Itachi) an impossible feat even for them as the uchihas are confident on taking entire village and a clan that can use hax kinjutsus (Izanagi and Izanami), so basically obito and itachi = whole konoha, Well of course not.

3. we have seen the only hype shown by clans are by individual characters but not by clan as a whole as shown neji, shikamaru who are actually not average shinobies but exceptionally outstires of their respective clans.

So the only hype relevant in narutoverse is character wise not clan wise. Correct me if am wrong mate. Yes one thing is right though rinnegan doesn't fall as one of uchiha's abitlity but on the contrary only an uchiha with a sharingan can awake rinnegan, All hail kishi.

why senju got extinct i dunno.....maybe bad writing by Kishi........Now as per your logic Hyuuga should be the strongest as Hiyashi often claims....they are surviving in large numbers and have got people with talents...but what i was talking about was that a clan may possess exceptional individuals but its strength as a whole can't be judged by those specific individuals.....and this thread was basically aimed to show the strength and drawbacks of the Uchiha as a clan...why they were so good at battles but lost to senju....

 

[Zensum]

I agree Itachi solos

 

[baul 24]

why senju got extinct i dunno.....maybe bad writing by Kishi........Now as per your logic Hyuuga should be the strongest as Hiyashi often claims....they are surviving in large numbers and have got people with talents...but what i was talking about was that a clan may possess exceptional individuals but its strength as a whole can't be judged by those specific individuals.....and this thread was basically aimed to show the strength and drawbacks of the Uchiha as a clan...why they were so good at battles but lost to senju....

Actually i just pointed senju extinction to show that every clan may have a drawback and no clan is inferior and the other superior. But if we consider all of uchiha's abilities don't know how uchiha lost to senju's their 3T sharingan abilities alone makes them hax and as you know hashirama was the only one exceptional in senju clan and only one who can use mokuton while most of the uchiha can use sharingan. Yeah you got a point though plot rules at the end.

 

[Jiren]

I think you forgot how deadly a 3t sharingan is. 3tomoes can copy abilities and use them against your opponent. You can read moves easily and use powerful genjutsu

 

[Aznkidd]

I agree Itachi solos

This is an example of how Itachi got ebola. Virus should be gone for good community

 

[wanderingcactus]

why senju got extinct i dunno.....maybe bad writing by Kishi........Now as per your logic Hyuuga should be the strongest as Hiyashi often claims....they are surviving in large numbers and have got people with talents...but what i was talking about was that a clan may possess exceptional individuals but its strength as a whole can't be judged by those specific individuals.....and this thread was basically aimed to show the strength and drawbacks of the Uchiha as a clan...why they were so good at battles but lost to senju....

my guess is that Kishi wants to loop back to Naruto. If the Senju Clan is alive and well, then the transmigrants would be from a Senju which would make Naruto irrelevant. it'll be another ark until he ties Naruto in it or he might get carried away with the story and stick to Sasuke v Senju person making Naruto storyline a backstory.

However if the series wasnt solely based on Naruto, maybe he couldve done something like that. I mean the movie The Last, fairly sure eventually Naruto couldve caught up with Sasuke and Senju fella, all he needed is Hinata/Hanabi to die and taking her eyes. (maybe stealing Neji's eyes before the seal could kill it)

 

[Aznkidd]

my guess is that Kishi wants to loop back to Naruto. If the Senju Clan is alive and well, then the transmigrants would be from a Senju which would make Naruto irrelevant. it'll be another ark until he ties Naruto in it or he might get carried away with the story and stick to Sasuke v Senju person making Naruto storyline a backstory.

However if the series wasnt solely based on Naruto, maybe he couldve done something like that. I mean the movie The Last, fairly sure eventually Naruto couldve caught up with Sasuke and Senju fella, all he needed is Hinata/Hanabi to die and taking her eyes. (maybe stealing Neji's eyes before the seal could kill it)

Not really since character is based on the story, there will always "Naruto" and "Sasuke".

 

[Zensum]

This is an example of how Itachi got ebola. Virus should be gone for good community

Your name is Aznkilskasdd chill

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I made a thread similar to this and received so much backlash. To be fair no one in the clan at the time had MS besides Madara and Izuna, they used it a lot against Tobirama and Hashirama and they were never blind. The only way for an MS user to use their eyes without going blind is to use the mangekyo techniques sparingly and not spam. That's why Itachi was able to use his MS from age 13 to 21 without going blind while carrying out all his missions.

But the man reason why Izuna and Madara didn't suffer from any side effects from their MS is because.

-Their body didn't have any illness. Itachi suffered from a great illness that affected his stamina, without good stamina then your likes of using your MS more is shorter than others.
-Madara and Izuna didn't have a mangekyo ability like Amaterus, flame control, tskuyomi, Kamui, and KA. So they would never go blind.

I do agree that the Uchihas did not rely so much on their eyes everytime during battle, otherwise they wouldn't last long. That's why they developed useful kinjutsu to use.

 

[Aznkidd]

I made a thread similar to this and received so much backlash. To be fair no one in the clan at the time had MS besides Madara and Izuna, they used it a lot against Tobirama and Hashirama and they were never blind. The only way for an MS user to use their eyes without going blind is to use the mangekyo techniques sparingly and not spam. That's why Itachi was able to use his MS from age 13 to 21 without going blind while carrying out all his missions.

But the man reason why Izuna and Madara didn't suffer from any side effects from their MS is because.

-Their body didn't have any illness. Itachi suffered from a great illness that affected his stamina, without good stamina then your likes of using your MS more is shorter than others.
-Madara and Izuna didn't have a mangekyo ability like Amaterus, flame control, tskuyomi, Kamui, and KA. So they would never go blind.

I do agree that the Uchihas did not rely so much on their eyes everytime during battle, otherwise they wouldn't last long. That's why they developed useful kinjutsu to use.

They was going to blind. But lets not forget that Madara and Izuna is very skillful ninja, they have gone through war and stuff from day 1. So their experience is far far better than Sasuke. That is why you see Sasuke eye's bleed cause of his inexperience and reckless.
This is why hard worker and those who is born in war is better than loafer

 

[Prince Badman]

I think you forgot how deadly a 3t sharingan is. 3tomoes can copy abilities and use them against your opponent. You can read moves easily and use powerful genjutsu

I didn't forget.....just that EMS and MS are in a different league that makes 3-t look like fodder. But altogether its upto the user how well he uses the sharingan.....tbh why Sasuke didn't copy the techniques like Kakashi is still a mystery to me....

 

[Aznkidd]

I didn't forget.....just that EMS and MS are in a different league that makes 3-t look like fodder. But altogether its upto the user how well he uses the sharingan.....tbh why Sasuke didn't copy the techniques like Kakashi is still a mystery to me....

Kakashi become chunin 6 years before Sasuke and Naruto graduate academy and enter chunnin exam....

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

They was going to blind. But lets not forget that Madara and Izuna is very skillful ninja, they have gone through war and stuff from day 1. So their experience is far far better than Sasuke. That is why you see Sasuke eye's bleed cause of his inexperience and reckless.
This is why hard worker and those who is born in war is better than loafer

The manga never said that they went blind. MS Madara and Izuna retreated because Tobirama hit Izuna's blind spot which lead to his fatal death. The next day Madara approached Hashirama and told him that his brother left him his eyes to carry out his strength.

The story that Tobi and Hashirama told was true, he wasn't going blind. The one Itachi told Sasuke about Madara going blind was all a lie to keep Sasuke to believe that he truly wanted EMS. Sasuke's eyes only bleeds from Amaterasu just like Itachi, it's suppose to bleed. No other MS user's eyes bleed when they first used MS. Madara and Izuna simply don't have a MS technique if you exclude Susanoo.

 

[Prince Badman]

I made a thread similar to this and received so much backlash. To be fair no one in the clan at the time had MS besides Madara and Izuna, they used it a lot against Tobirama and Hashirama and they were never blind. The only way for an MS user to use their eyes without going blind is to use the mangekyo techniques sparingly and not spam. That's why Itachi was able to use his MS from age 13 to 21 without going blind while carrying out all his missions.

But the man reason why Izuna and Madara didn't suffer from any side effects from their MS is because.

-Their body didn't have any illness. Itachi suffered from a great illness that affected his stamina, without good stamina then your likes of using your MS more is shorter than others.
-Madara and Izuna didn't have a mangekyo ability like Amaterus, flame control, tskuyomi, Kamui, and KA. So they would never go blind.

I do agree that the Uchihas did not rely so much on their eyes everytime during battle, otherwise they wouldn't last long. That's why they developed useful kinjutsu to use.

First of all I think Madara awakened the MS a long time after since he had been fighting Hashirama..i mean from the time they were kids to the time they were adults we don't know at what stage Madara actually awakened the MS..same goes for Izuna so exactly for how long they had been using MS we can't really say....and after Izuna's death Madara got the EMS to spam whatever techniques he wanted.

I don't know about going blind..Izuna died pretty young didn't he....and the illness affects your body and stamina i don't think it has got anything to do with blindness....thats why put the Sasuke scan in there......Yes the techniques you mentioned were specific to the particular users as they were their own MS techniques...what sort of technique Madara had apart from Izanami we don't know. Also the blindness isn't related to the technique rather than the overuse of MS so whatever technique you spam be it Susano or even a MS genjutsu if you spam it you will go blind....notice that Kakashi asks Itachi about his eyesight it means at some point Kakashi realised it too and he too always held back relying on the MS too much

 

[Prince Badman]

Kakashi become chunin 6 years before Sasuke and Naruto graduate academy and enter chunnin exam....

what do you want to say...the difference in skills? well Sassuke got the freaking EMS and he couldn't copy a ninja technique thats what you are implying? are you kidding me ?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

First of all I think Madara awakened the MS a long time after since he had been fighting Hashirama..i mean from the time they were kids to the time they were adults we don't know at what stage Madara actually awakened the MS..same goes for Izuna so exactly for how long they had been using MS we can't really say....and after Izuna's death Madara got the EMS to spam whatever techniques he wanted.

That's what I said.

I don't know about going blind..Izuna died pretty young didn't he....and the illness affects your body and stamina i don't think it has got anything to do with blindness....thats why put the Sasuke scan in there......Yes the techniques you mentioned were specific to the particular users as they were their own MS techniques...what sort of technique Madara had apart from Izanami we don't know. Also the blindness isn't related to the technique rather than the overuse of MS so whatever technique you spam be it Susano or even a MS genjutsu if you spam it you will go blind....notice that Kakashi asks Itachi about his eyesight it means at some point Kakashi realised it too and he too always held back relying on the MS too much

Lol that's exactly what I said. I never said that Madara and Izuna went blind. I used them as prime examples of them having MS and not going blind. The only thing that helped their eyes from not deteriorating is the lack of MS techniques on each eye like amatersu and tsukyomi. If you don't overuse your eyes in one battle and take time to rest and regain your stamina, you won't go blind.