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Note that this thread is not an attack on all Uchiha fans or all Uchihas within the NV. After all, 3 out of 4 of my favorite characters are Uchihas (Madara, Obito, and Sasuke).
However, this is something that I have noticed for years, and after some recent threads, I just wanted to touch on this, so here goes:
Many of the hardcore Uchiha fans here (and most likely in other places too) have this ridiculous habit of blaming everyone else for the Uchiha's problems, and calling for every other innocent person in the world to be hurt or punished in some way even if they had nothing to do with the Uchiha.
For example, I've seen recent threads blame Asura's line and the will of fire for the Uchiha massacre and for the problems of the world in general, but that blame couldn't be more fallacious and hypocritical.
For starters, Indra was the one who started the whole freaking centuries long war to begin with, and his reasoning behind that was so pathetic! He started a war with his brother that lasted for centuries and killed countless people (including children who were forced to fight and die at ages as young as 7) all because of "Boo hoo, daddy didn't choose me to be the leader of ninshuu"! WTF man?! If Indra really wanted to contribute to peace, then he could have easily just gone off and done his own thing, without even bothering with Asura. Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's movement, but that doesn't mean that Indra couldn't start his own movement. Besides, it's not like the successorship of ninshuu came with any inheritance or huge perks that Indra was robbed of. Sure, Asura got a power up, but that didn't even put him ahead of Indra! As Uchiha fans so love to point out, Indra and Asura tied even after Asura got a power up, so that really shouldn't have been a problem for Indra! Heck, even with this power up, it is not like Asura actually planned on fighting Indra!
Indra was the one who attacked first! Indra was the one who started a centuries long war that killed countless men, women and children alike! You can't even blame Black Zetsu for this either, because it was Indra's pathetic self that let himself get manipulated!
I mean seriously! Answer this for me Uchiha fans: What sane and rational person just listens to this random unidentified black blob that just pops up out of nowhere and tells you to start a war?!
Then, the stupidity doesn't even stop with Indra. Let's skip along to a few thousand years later to Hashirama and Madara's era.
Uchiha fans like to bash Hashirama for his will of fire and for later tragedies that happened in Konoha, but they fail to acknowledge that if it wasn't for Hashirama, the world would still be wrapped up in the stupid war (started by Indra) where kids of ages equal to that of 2nd graders had to be gang banged by several burly adults! Hashirama and Madara originally came up with the idea of creating the village as kids, but Madara just gave up on it as soon as their fathers and siblings confronted each other! It was Hashirama who stuck it out! It was Hashirama who was literally about to kill himself as a peace offering to end Indra's stupid centuries long war!
If you left it up to Madara, they would have still kept fighting each other and dying senselessly! Hashirama is the reason why kids got to be kids instead of front line soldiers!
So let's review what we've gone over so far:
Indra started a pathetic war because he was a jealous cry baby and didn't have the sense to be suspicious of a random blob!
Madara (and apparently you Uchiha faps) wanted kids and adults alike to keep killing each other for reasons that the clans had long since forgotten by this point!
But hey, somehow everything is the fault of the Senju and the will of fire right?
Now let's continue:
The village has been founded now, and even then Hashirama is playing the selfless act by offering to make Madara hokage. Okay, so sure Madara got outvoted and Hashirama became the first hokage, but can you blame the citizens?! Like I said before, Hashirama is the one who brought the war to a peaceful end, and Hashirama is even the one who built the village! But hey, that corrupt Senju manipulation right?
Even after Hashirama was elected first hokage, he still offered to make Madara the 2nd hokage! At this point though, Madara decided to leave the village. He left because of a combination of the things that he read on the tablet (#more manipulation by the blob), and because of Tobirama's snooping around.
Now, I'll admit that Tobirama was wrong for snooping around and antagonizing the Uchiha, but if Madara had stayed and accepted Hashirama's offer to become the 2nd hokage, he could have prevented Tobirama's reign from ever happening. The hokage chooses their successor, so even if Madara was outvoted for first hokage, Hashirama could have still just chosen him for 2nd (and I doubt that the citizens or the feudal lords would have rejected him, since at the time, nobody aside from Tobirama actually had anything against Madara or the Uchiha. They just liked Hashirama better for his role in ending the war). Instead of staying in the village and protecting his clan from Tobirama however, Madara decided to go get Kurama and challenge Hashirama to a death match.
Now this is where Uchiha fans like to pull out that "be it a brother, a close friend, or my own child" quote from Hashirama, but tell me this Uchihabase:
Is it actually unjustified to kill someone who challenged you to a death match and who literally tried to kill you with a monster?! As for the "my own child" part, are you really saying that you should let your child run amuck and attack your village and kill innocent people just because they are your child?
This is basically the logic of you Uchiha fans who bash the will of fire based on Hashirama's quote:
"If it is my child, then it is perfectly fine if they kill babies, old ladies, and everything in between! It is my child, so I'm just going to let it fly! Anyone who doesn't let it fly is sick and twisted!"
You Uchiha fans who believe that must be pretty freaking narcissistic.
On another note: At some point during Madara's time as a Konoha shinobi, Hashirama called Onoki and Muu to some kind of peace meeting, but Madara just had to go and knock them out and say "from now on, you serve Konoha"! How the heck does that make him any better than Danzou? If that is not a fast way to start a war, then I don't know what is!
That's just another fault and failure on the part of Indra's line, but hey, it's still all the Senju's and the will of fire's fault, right Uchiha faps?
Now let's move on to Tobirama's and Hiruzen's reigns as hokage. I'll admit that this section of the story is the only section in which the Uchiha fans' complaints are valid. Tobirama wrongfully sectioned off the Uchiha to the outskirts of the village. Even if it was for the sake of keeping an eye on them, he could have still done that while giving the Uchiha some decent real estate within the village.
Then, Hiruzen and his cabinet (Koharu, Homura, and Danzou) were a nightmare! Under their supervision, two attempts at kidnapping little girls were made (one of which resulted in the death of Hizashi), Orochimaru got away and became a rouge ninja that ultimately attacked the leaf, Nagato ultimately became Pain due to the actions of Danzou and Hanzou, Kabuto was taken from his orphanage and he had his life screwed over by Danzou, A toddler Naruto was ostracized and left to live on his own and fend for himself, the entire Uchiha clan was blamed for one person's attack, and this ultimately led to an actual genocide of the Uchiha!
In short, you Uchiha fans have every right to complain about Tobirama, as well as Hiruzen, Danzou and the rest of his cabinet.
However, here is where the Uchiha faps go back to being wrong:
We skip along now to the end of the 4th great shinobi war.
Everyone who had anything to do with the Uchiha massacre is dead or sealed away. Let's go through the check list:
Kaguya - sealed away
Black Zetsu (the black blob that Indra's stupid self got manipulated by) - sealed away
Hagoromo (arguably a bad parental choice to choose just one child to be the successor, but still no excuse for Indra) - long dead
Tobirama - dead
Hiruzen - dead
Danzou - dead
Itachi - dead
Obito - dead
Madara (he did manipulate Obito, so he indirectly had involvement) - dead
As for Koharu and Homura, they were never really confirmed dead, but they most likely are dead by now, and the only reason why they weren't confirmed dead is because they themselves were too fodder and irrelevant as individuals to the plot to get some attention on them. Even if they are alive, I'm sure they are not in any position of power at this point.
As can be seen above, everyone who had a hand in the Uchiha's downfall is gone, but do you Uchihas faps accept this? No!
According to you Uchihas faps:
Naruto and Kakashi bear some responsibility for this even though Naruto was an 8 year old when the massacre happened and Kakashi had no involvement.
You Uchiha faps say that Konoha and its infrastructure should be destroyed (modern day infrastructure, so yes I'm even talking about currently in Boruto's generation where all of the perpetrators of crimes against the Uchiha are gone)!
You imbeciles say that orphans like Sumire and the Shins should be screwed over, denied a home and thrown to the way side because of the fact that over 20 years ago, there existed a now deceased clan that was tragically killed off by some now deceased corrupt village leaders (all of whom died before these kids were born)!
You imbeciles say that Naruto should let Otsutsuki aliens come and kidnap little girls, kill people and ultimately destroy the whole earth because a dead clan was wronged many years ago.
You imbeciles say that shinobi who went MIA during the war are not important and that they shouldn't be rescued, and that instead we should all just focus on one dead clan whose killers have already all been dealt with and punished accordingly over a decade ago.
This is you guys' logic:
"Nearly a century ago, the leader of Germany killed a bunch of Jews, so we should all go and kill everyone who currently lives in Germany right now in 2017!"
"What's that you say? There's a mass murderer that lives in England? Oh wait, did you just say that the murderer got killed 10 years ago? Cool! Now let's go destroy England and take Prince George (the baby) hostage!"
"Oh no! My friend was wrongfully killed! *30 years later* I know what I'm going to do! I'm going to avenge my friend by killing that kid over there *runs at infant with a knife*".
You Uchihas faps are some of the most arrogant, self centered, delusional, stuck up, conceited, hypocritical bastards who I have ever encountered! You fail to acknowledge the Uchiha's own faults, and then you try to put blame, fault and punishment on people who have nothing to do with your issues! You attack people who weren't even born during the time of your issues or who were small kids as young as or younger than Sasuke. Then you say "screw everyone else with great needs, nobody should be paid attention to except for our long dead clan"!
You blame Konoha for the massacre when it wasn't Konoha! It was entirely the people I listed above!
Asura's line and the shinobi world in general may not be faultless, but neither is the Uchiha, and the world doesn't revolve around them!
However, this is something that I have noticed for years, and after some recent threads, I just wanted to touch on this, so here goes:
Many of the hardcore Uchiha fans here (and most likely in other places too) have this ridiculous habit of blaming everyone else for the Uchiha's problems, and calling for every other innocent person in the world to be hurt or punished in some way even if they had nothing to do with the Uchiha.
For example, I've seen recent threads blame Asura's line and the will of fire for the Uchiha massacre and for the problems of the world in general, but that blame couldn't be more fallacious and hypocritical.
For starters, Indra was the one who started the whole freaking centuries long war to begin with, and his reasoning behind that was so pathetic! He started a war with his brother that lasted for centuries and killed countless people (including children who were forced to fight and die at ages as young as 7) all because of "Boo hoo, daddy didn't choose me to be the leader of ninshuu"! WTF man?! If Indra really wanted to contribute to peace, then he could have easily just gone off and done his own thing, without even bothering with Asura. Ninshuu was simply Hagoromo's movement, but that doesn't mean that Indra couldn't start his own movement. Besides, it's not like the successorship of ninshuu came with any inheritance or huge perks that Indra was robbed of. Sure, Asura got a power up, but that didn't even put him ahead of Indra! As Uchiha fans so love to point out, Indra and Asura tied even after Asura got a power up, so that really shouldn't have been a problem for Indra! Heck, even with this power up, it is not like Asura actually planned on fighting Indra!
Indra was the one who attacked first! Indra was the one who started a centuries long war that killed countless men, women and children alike! You can't even blame Black Zetsu for this either, because it was Indra's pathetic self that let himself get manipulated!
I mean seriously! Answer this for me Uchiha fans: What sane and rational person just listens to this random unidentified black blob that just pops up out of nowhere and tells you to start a war?!
Then, the stupidity doesn't even stop with Indra. Let's skip along to a few thousand years later to Hashirama and Madara's era.
Uchiha fans like to bash Hashirama for his will of fire and for later tragedies that happened in Konoha, but they fail to acknowledge that if it wasn't for Hashirama, the world would still be wrapped up in the stupid war (started by Indra) where kids of ages equal to that of 2nd graders had to be gang banged by several burly adults! Hashirama and Madara originally came up with the idea of creating the village as kids, but Madara just gave up on it as soon as their fathers and siblings confronted each other! It was Hashirama who stuck it out! It was Hashirama who was literally about to kill himself as a peace offering to end Indra's stupid centuries long war!
If you left it up to Madara, they would have still kept fighting each other and dying senselessly! Hashirama is the reason why kids got to be kids instead of front line soldiers!
So let's review what we've gone over so far:
Indra started a pathetic war because he was a jealous cry baby and didn't have the sense to be suspicious of a random blob!
Madara (and apparently you Uchiha faps) wanted kids and adults alike to keep killing each other for reasons that the clans had long since forgotten by this point!
But hey, somehow everything is the fault of the Senju and the will of fire right?
Now let's continue:
The village has been founded now, and even then Hashirama is playing the selfless act by offering to make Madara hokage. Okay, so sure Madara got outvoted and Hashirama became the first hokage, but can you blame the citizens?! Like I said before, Hashirama is the one who brought the war to a peaceful end, and Hashirama is even the one who built the village! But hey, that corrupt Senju manipulation right?
Even after Hashirama was elected first hokage, he still offered to make Madara the 2nd hokage! At this point though, Madara decided to leave the village. He left because of a combination of the things that he read on the tablet (#more manipulation by the blob), and because of Tobirama's snooping around.
Now, I'll admit that Tobirama was wrong for snooping around and antagonizing the Uchiha, but if Madara had stayed and accepted Hashirama's offer to become the 2nd hokage, he could have prevented Tobirama's reign from ever happening. The hokage chooses their successor, so even if Madara was outvoted for first hokage, Hashirama could have still just chosen him for 2nd (and I doubt that the citizens or the feudal lords would have rejected him, since at the time, nobody aside from Tobirama actually had anything against Madara or the Uchiha. They just liked Hashirama better for his role in ending the war). Instead of staying in the village and protecting his clan from Tobirama however, Madara decided to go get Kurama and challenge Hashirama to a death match.
Now this is where Uchiha fans like to pull out that "be it a brother, a close friend, or my own child" quote from Hashirama, but tell me this Uchihabase:
Is it actually unjustified to kill someone who challenged you to a death match and who literally tried to kill you with a monster?! As for the "my own child" part, are you really saying that you should let your child run amuck and attack your village and kill innocent people just because they are your child?
This is basically the logic of you Uchiha fans who bash the will of fire based on Hashirama's quote:
"If it is my child, then it is perfectly fine if they kill babies, old ladies, and everything in between! It is my child, so I'm just going to let it fly! Anyone who doesn't let it fly is sick and twisted!"
You Uchiha fans who believe that must be pretty freaking narcissistic.
On another note: At some point during Madara's time as a Konoha shinobi, Hashirama called Onoki and Muu to some kind of peace meeting, but Madara just had to go and knock them out and say "from now on, you serve Konoha"! How the heck does that make him any better than Danzou? If that is not a fast way to start a war, then I don't know what is!
That's just another fault and failure on the part of Indra's line, but hey, it's still all the Senju's and the will of fire's fault, right Uchiha faps?
Now let's move on to Tobirama's and Hiruzen's reigns as hokage. I'll admit that this section of the story is the only section in which the Uchiha fans' complaints are valid. Tobirama wrongfully sectioned off the Uchiha to the outskirts of the village. Even if it was for the sake of keeping an eye on them, he could have still done that while giving the Uchiha some decent real estate within the village.
Then, Hiruzen and his cabinet (Koharu, Homura, and Danzou) were a nightmare! Under their supervision, two attempts at kidnapping little girls were made (one of which resulted in the death of Hizashi), Orochimaru got away and became a rouge ninja that ultimately attacked the leaf, Nagato ultimately became Pain due to the actions of Danzou and Hanzou, Kabuto was taken from his orphanage and he had his life screwed over by Danzou, A toddler Naruto was ostracized and left to live on his own and fend for himself, the entire Uchiha clan was blamed for one person's attack, and this ultimately led to an actual genocide of the Uchiha!
In short, you Uchiha fans have every right to complain about Tobirama, as well as Hiruzen, Danzou and the rest of his cabinet.
However, here is where the Uchiha faps go back to being wrong:
We skip along now to the end of the 4th great shinobi war.
Everyone who had anything to do with the Uchiha massacre is dead or sealed away. Let's go through the check list:
Kaguya - sealed away
Black Zetsu (the black blob that Indra's stupid self got manipulated by) - sealed away
Hagoromo (arguably a bad parental choice to choose just one child to be the successor, but still no excuse for Indra) - long dead
Tobirama - dead
Hiruzen - dead
Danzou - dead
Itachi - dead
Obito - dead
Madara (he did manipulate Obito, so he indirectly had involvement) - dead
As for Koharu and Homura, they were never really confirmed dead, but they most likely are dead by now, and the only reason why they weren't confirmed dead is because they themselves were too fodder and irrelevant as individuals to the plot to get some attention on them. Even if they are alive, I'm sure they are not in any position of power at this point.
As can be seen above, everyone who had a hand in the Uchiha's downfall is gone, but do you Uchihas faps accept this? No!
According to you Uchihas faps:
Naruto and Kakashi bear some responsibility for this even though Naruto was an 8 year old when the massacre happened and Kakashi had no involvement.
You Uchiha faps say that Konoha and its infrastructure should be destroyed (modern day infrastructure, so yes I'm even talking about currently in Boruto's generation where all of the perpetrators of crimes against the Uchiha are gone)!
You imbeciles say that orphans like Sumire and the Shins should be screwed over, denied a home and thrown to the way side because of the fact that over 20 years ago, there existed a now deceased clan that was tragically killed off by some now deceased corrupt village leaders (all of whom died before these kids were born)!
You imbeciles say that Naruto should let Otsutsuki aliens come and kidnap little girls, kill people and ultimately destroy the whole earth because a dead clan was wronged many years ago.
You imbeciles say that shinobi who went MIA during the war are not important and that they shouldn't be rescued, and that instead we should all just focus on one dead clan whose killers have already all been dealt with and punished accordingly over a decade ago.
This is you guys' logic:
"Nearly a century ago, the leader of Germany killed a bunch of Jews, so we should all go and kill everyone who currently lives in Germany right now in 2017!"
"What's that you say? There's a mass murderer that lives in England? Oh wait, did you just say that the murderer got killed 10 years ago? Cool! Now let's go destroy England and take Prince George (the baby) hostage!"
"Oh no! My friend was wrongfully killed! *30 years later* I know what I'm going to do! I'm going to avenge my friend by killing that kid over there *runs at infant with a knife*".
You Uchihas faps are some of the most arrogant, self centered, delusional, stuck up, conceited, hypocritical bastards who I have ever encountered! You fail to acknowledge the Uchiha's own faults, and then you try to put blame, fault and punishment on people who have nothing to do with your issues! You attack people who weren't even born during the time of your issues or who were small kids as young as or younger than Sasuke. Then you say "screw everyone else with great needs, nobody should be paid attention to except for our long dead clan"!
You blame Konoha for the massacre when it wasn't Konoha! It was entirely the people I listed above!
Asura's line and the shinobi world in general may not be faultless, but neither is the Uchiha, and the world doesn't revolve around them!
