Uchiha clan's massacre: Danzo's ambition!!

Do you think that KA was used against Itachi?

  • Yes. It's possible

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • No. I believe in Tobi's words

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • Total voters
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ajpn920

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We all know the story about the Uchiha clan's massacre. It was said that the reason why they were wiped out is because they're planning a coup d'état. Is this really true? I believe that the Uchiha clan did not plan a coup d'état and Itachi did not betray his clan..let's say would not betray his clan...He was being manipulated or was controlled by the use of Kotoamatsukami. Let's try to examine things and let's dig deep to know the truth.

Let me solve first Itachi's age before going into the full detail. If you're wondering why, it will help to determine when kotoamatsukami was used as it was stated by itachi that could only be used once a decade as shown below:

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ITACHI'S AGE WHEN THE INCIDENT HAPPENED:

It was stated during this time that the Kurama incident happened 16 yrs ago:

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It was also confirmed here during Itachi and Sasuke's fight that the incident happened 16 yrs ago.

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We know that Kotoamatsukami can only be use again after 10 yrs as explained by Itachi. He was not able to use it against sasuke the time they fought because it wasn't 10 yrs.

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It was already 16 yrs when Kurama attacked Konoha and it was the 10th yr when KA was used.


16-10=6. There is a gap of 6 yrs between the time Kurama attacked Konoha and the time KA was used.

solving itachi's age: Let x+6= itachi's age the time KA was used
x= itachi's age the time when kurama attacked konoha


Itachi was 4 yrs old during the 3rd shinobi war:

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Minato spent three years creating the Rasengan by observing the Tailed Beast Ball. This was his encounter with B.

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Adding the 4 yr old itachi during the war and the 3 yrs Minato spent in creating rasengan, Itachi's age during Kurama's attack was 7.

7= itachi's age during Kurama's attack
6= the gap between the time Kuruma attacked Konoha and the time KA was used

7+6=13: Note that Itachi joined anbu at the age of 13 and it was 6 months after he joined anbu when he was acting strange and it was the same time line when shisui died.

So, it's clear now that KA was used when Itachi was 13 yrs old. It fits in the timeline of the story. Danzo stole shisui's eye before the uchiha massacre happened. Shisui gave the other eye to Itachi before the massacre happened.

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Shisui gave his other eye to itachi

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POINTS TO CONSIDER:

1. Shisui self sacrificed for the sake of the village. he wanted peace. If there is indeed a coup d'état, why would Danzo stole shisui's eye when someone like shisui who wanted peace could help Danzo in spoiling the clan's plan?

2. How did Itachi knows about the pro's and con's of Kotoamatsukami?

3. Is it really a coincidence that KA was used the same time the Uchiha massacre happened?

4. Why would Tobi help Itachi? We know that he is not Madara. If the clan is planning a coup d'état then that will be the perfect time for Tobi to attack the village. After all, he did plan on destroying the village and failed 6 yrs prior to the massacre.

My take: I believe that Itachi was being controlled by Danzo. It was Danzo's ambition that leads to the massacre of the Uchiha clan.

Feel free to discuss...:scorps:
 
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sorry bro but i didnt read 1 damn thing my eyes are hurting like a mofo. but +rep :D
 

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mangareader links dont work (i think)
anyways, the math part was confusing but, all is possible. + rep
 

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mmmm i think itachi knew what he was doing if he didnt sasuke would not be alive imo
 
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thanks..:)



Thanks for the rep...what part of the equation?

not actually doing the math, but following along without getting bored.
i admit to skipping that part xd
 

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not actually doing the math, but following along without getting bored.
i admit to skipping that part xd

oh, i see..that part was to determine when KA was used and if it really is a coincidence that KA was used during the time the massacre happened..
 

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Yeh I agree that there is a chance that Itachi was under Koto, but just a few things you should note.
You took a long route finding Itachi's age when Koto was used lol. Itachi died at the age of 21 and Koto has a 10 year rest time. 21-10 = 11. Itachi was 11 when Koto (the one implanted inside Itachi's crow) was last used.
However, Oro gave Danzo Hashirama's cells so he could use it much more frequently anyway. Also, Itachi didn't join ANBU at age 13 he was promoted to captain at age 13, he joined before that.
 

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Yeh I agree that there is a chance that Itachi was under Koto, but just a few things you should note.
You took a long route finding Itachi's age when Koto was used lol. Itachi died at the age of 21 and Koto has a 10 year rest time. 21-10 = 11. Itachi was 11 when Koto (the one implanted inside Itachi's crow) was last used.
However, Oro gave Danzo Hashirama's cells so he could use it much more frequently anyway.

how did you arrive at age 21? Itachi joined anbu at age 13 and it was 6 months after when he is acting strange. That is the same time line when shisui died and the massacre happened
 

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how did you arrive at age 21? Itachi joined anbu at age 13 and it was 6 months after when he is acting strange. That is the same time line when shisui died and the massacre happened

Its in the databooks Itachi was 21 in part 2 of Naruto. He was 17 and 18 during part 1.
Itachi never joined the ANBU at age 13, he was promoted to captain at age 13. We don't know when Itachi joined. Shisui probably died back when Itachi was 11/12. So Koto (the one Itachi's crow had) was last used around when Shisui died I guess.
 

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Its in the databooks Itachi was 21 in part 2 of Naruto. He was 17 and 18 during part 1.
Itachi never joined the ANBU at age 13, he was promoted to captain at age 13. We don't know when Itachi joined. Shisui probably died back when Itachi was 11/12. So Koto (the one Itachi's crow had) was last used around when Shisui died I guess.

i think you forgot that the police force ordered Shisui to keep an eye on Itachi. That was 6-7 months after he joined anbu and it was due to his change in behaviour..it was not so long that the massacre happened when shisui died..it was the same time line.
 

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i think you forgot that the police force ordered Shisui to keep an eye on Itachi. That was 6-7 months after he joined anbu and it was due to his change in behaviour..it was not so long that the massacre happened when shisui died..it was the same time line.

But we don't know what age Itachi joined the ANBU though. "Not so long" isn't an accurate measure of time.
Itachi was spying on the Akatsuki back when he was 11 years old (when he defeated Oro), and he was most likely sent by the ANBU.

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"Its been 10 years since he(Oro) left the Akatsuki". Remember Itachi was 21 when he died. 21-10 = 11

This was part 1 (when Itachi was 18)

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"7 years ago when Oro left". 18=7 = 11
 

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But we don't know what age Itachi joined the ANBU though. "Not so long" isn't an accurate measure of time.
Itachi was spying on the Akatsuki back when he was 11 years old (when he defeated Oro), and he was most likely sent by the ANBU.

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"Its been 10 years since he(Oro) left the Akatsuki". Remember Itachi was 21 when he died. 21-10 = 11

This was part 1 (when Itachi was 18)

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"7 years ago when Oro left". 18=7 = 11

Oro was killed during shippuden. It was not stated in the data book that Itachi was 21 when he died..He was promoted anbu capt at age 13 but it could also be that he joined anbu the same year he was promoted. please straighten your facts.

take note that shisui was ordered to keep an eye on Itachi 6-7 months after joining anbu.. Itachi died at age 23. If you can prove that the databook said that he died at age 21 then that's good but if you can't then that's purely a speculation on your part.

Take note the time itachi died and the time he explained KA. That was the same time line. The war arc..check the scan i've posted..that time was 16 yrs when kyuubi attacked and it was the 10th yr when KA was used. The massacre happened shortly after shisui died..shiusi died when Itachi is in the anbu at age 13.
 

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Oro was killed during shippuden. It was not stated in the data book that Itachi was 21 when he died..He was promoted anbu capt at age 13 but it could also be that he joined anbu the same year he was promoted. please straighten your facts.

take note that shisui was ordered to keep an eye on Itachi 6-7 months after joining anbu.. Itachi died at age 23. If you can prove that the databook said that he died at age 21 then that's good but if you can't then that's purely a speculation on your part.

Take note the time itachi died and the time he explained KA. That was the same time line. The war arc..check the scan i've posted..that time was 16 yrs when kyuubi attacked and it was the 10th yr when KA was used. The massacre happened shortly after shisui died..shiusi died when Itachi is in the anbu at age 13.

What does Oro getting killed have to do with any of this?
Oro left the Akatsuki after getting genjutsu'd and his hand chopped of by Itachi. This happened when Itachi was 11. So he was still in the ANBU at age 11.
How can you tell me to get my facts straight when you say "it could also be"? So you think Itachi joined at 13, Shisui kept tabs on Itachi 7 moths later and he is still13, then he is promoted to ANBU captain and he is still 13, then he killed his clan and he is still 13?
Lol, show me where it says Itachi died at the age of 23 please. It clearly says he was 21 years old during part 2 of Naruto in the databooks. If his age changed during part 2, then they would have put both ages down like they did in part 1.
Here you go:
You don't have a clue how old Itachi was when Shisui died. Like I said, he was most likely 12 years old.

Basically:

Itachi join anbu - aged 11
Itachi is tasked with spying on the Uchiha - aged 11
Shiusui keeps tabs on Itachi - aged 12
Shisui is found dead - aged 12
Itachi is promoted to anbu - aged 13
Itachi kills clan - aged 13
 
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Wrong dude your points are invalid danzo had one eye and itachi had the other. Each eye can use kotoamatsukami so that means if danzo s eye used kotoamatsukami his eye should wait 10 years however itachi had the other eye which could still use kotoamasukami even if the other eye cast it. However a + rep for trying i ll give you that one
 
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