Uchiha Clan vs Uzumaki Clan

super michael

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The only Uzumaki who are strong without borrowed or stolen power are Tsunade and Karin.

Naruto uses Kurama
Nagato uses Madara eyes
Mito uses Kurama
Kushina uses Kurama


How come Karin unlock the chains jutsu like Kushina but not Tsunade?
 

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Nothing in the post was fanfic.

Obito killed Kushina.

Sasuke beat Naruto in the first battle.

Indra had a draw with Asura despite Asura having access to Six Path's Senjutsu and Indra only had the Mangekyo. Hagoromo emphasized the fact that he only gave Asura his power and not Indra.

Hashirama's Wood-Style was the only thing that overcame the Uchiha, I'm pretty sure other Senju's were fodder in the face of the Sharingan besides Tobirama.

Yeah killing a woman who just gave birth. The fact that you're even considering that is really sick.
Sasuke won because Naruto wasn't trying to kill him just like VoTE 2 and then he lost overall at VoTE 2 their final clash.
I doubt Hagoromo gave anything other than make Ashura the heir to ninshu and while Indra awakened the sharingan, Asura was gifted with Hagoromo's body. Even Hagoromo has admitted that Indra had the advantage. But sure go on and prove me wrong if you can with facts.
Yep Hashirama kicked Madara's ass every time they fought. So once again check the history of Uchiha clan. Its filled with L's from Ashura's descendants.
 

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Uzumaki clan most likely, since itachi is most likely to neg dif his own clan again
 

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The only Uzumaki who are strong without borrowed or stolen power are Tsunade and Karin.

Naruto uses Kurama
Nagato uses Madara eyes
Mito uses Kurama
Kushina uses Kurama
No. They never used Kurama in battle.
 

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The only Uzumaki who are strong without borrowed or stolen power are Tsunade and Karin.

Naruto uses Kurama
Nagato uses Madara eyes
Mito uses Kurama
Kushina uses Kurama


How come Karin unlock the chains jutsu like Kushina but not Tsunade?

Based on your logic EMS is borrowed power too. Madara used Izuna's eyes and Sasuke used Itachi's. Without the replacement eyes both would be blind fodder. Oh and Madara too used Kurama and more directly and he also stole Hashirama's tissue and implanted in his body to awaken the Rinnegan.
 

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Based on your logic EMS is borrowed power too. Madara used Izuna's eyes and Sasuke used Itachi's. Without the replacement eyes both would be blind fodder. Oh and Madara too used Kurama and more directly and he also stole Hashirama's tissue and implanted in his body to awaken the Rinnegan.

I agree with you about EMS being stolen and borrowed powers.

Itachi uses his own powers along with Shisui and Izuna. Madara, Obito and Sasuke uses borrowed powers.
 

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I agree with you about EMS being stolen and borrowed powers.

Itachi uses his own powers along with Shisui and Izuna. Madara, Obito and Sasuke uses borrowed powers.

Tsunade and Karin use their own power and Mito and Kushina were considered strong with powerful chakra. Also it was not their first choice to become a jinchuriki but they had strong bodies to host the strongest bijuu and for the village's sake they agreed.
 

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Senju >=< Uchiha >> Uzumaki
 

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Yeah killing a woman who just gave birth. The fact that you're even considering that is really sick.
Sasuke won because Naruto wasn't trying to kill him just like VoTE 2 and then he lost overall at VoTE 2 their final clash.
I doubt Hagoromo gave anything other than make Ashura the heir to ninshu and while Indra awakened the sharingan, Asura was gifted with Hagoromo's body. Even Hagoromo has admitted that Indra had the advantage. But sure go on and prove me wrong if you can with facts.
Yep Hashirama kicked Madara's ass every time they fought. So once again check the history of Uchiha clan. Its filled with L's from Ashura's descendants.

Even if Kushina hadn't given birth, I'm convinced Obito would still be able to kill her. He did manage to wipe out the entire Police Force which was something even Itachi wasn't able to do.

Didn't Hagoromo say that he gave Asura his power the first time and then decided that if the world desired Indra's way then he was being selfish by standing in the way, and decided to give Sasuke his power?

Sasuke didn't win because Naruto held back, he won because it was beyond Naruto's power to take him back. He needed the power of the Nine-Tails to even come close and even then he still lost. Sasuke's Sharingan saw through all of Naruto's normal attacks and once he awakened the third tomoe, he saw through his Nine-Tails enhanced attacks again. Just admit that your favorite was outmatched that time.

Just because Hashirama kicked Madara's ass doesn't mean the entire history of the Uchiha was surrounded by L's given to them by Asura's descendants. I mean look at how Itama got clapped by like 4 Uchiha's. It was a clear cycle of both sides killing one another's clan members.

Given what we know, had Asura and Indra fought without Asura being given Hagoromo's power, then there probably wouldn't have been a Senju or Uzumaki clan. Seeing as though Indra was insane and was probably willing to kill Asura's children after killing Asura himself.
 

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I forgot Boruto is a Uzumaki and Sarada is a Uchiha, so they can be included in the list.
 

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Even if Kushina hadn't given birth, I'm convinced Obito would still be able to kill her. He did manage to wipe out the entire Police Force which was something even Itachi wasn't able to do.

Didn't Hagoromo say that he gave Asura his power the first time and then decided that if the world desired Indra's way then he was being selfish by standing in the way, and decided to give Sasuke his power?

Sasuke didn't win because Naruto held back, he won because it was beyond Naruto's power to take him back. He needed the power of the Nine-Tails to even come close and even then he still lost. Sasuke's Sharingan saw through all of Naruto's normal attacks and once he awakened the third tomoe, he saw through his Nine-Tails enhanced attacks again. Just admit that your favorite was outmatched that time.

Just because Hashirama kicked Madara's ass doesn't mean the entire history of the Uchiha was surrounded by L's given to them by Asura's descendants. I mean look at how Itama got clapped by like 4 Uchiha's. It was a clear cycle of both sides killing one another's clan members.

Given what we know, had Asura and Indra fought without Asura being given Hagoromo's power, then there probably wouldn't have been a Senju or Uzumaki clan. Seeing as though Indra was insane and was probably willing to kill Asura's children after killing Asura himself.

I am sure Obito will but the way he killed doesn't count as a win.
Lol, if Hagoromo actually gave Ashura all his powers then from where is he giving it to Naruto and Sasuke. But if he actually had given his powers to Ashura then Ashura would've mopped the floor with Indra. All he did was chose Ashura as his successor to lead.

Sasuke won during VoTE 1 because he was going all out with CM2 while KN1 Naruto held back. But again does VoTE 1 even matters when Sasuke lost in VOTE 2.

Well we know of Uchiha history mostly from Hashirama and Madara's era. And while Ashura transmigrants have always shown mercy and Indra transmigrant tried to kill Ashura transmigrants, the fact that Ashura's descendants survived even with Indra's descendants killing intents only tells you that they were stronger than the uchiha.

Again Indra was butthurt because Hagoromo declared Ashura his successor and there's nothing that proves he was given Hagoromo's powers.
 
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I am sure Obito will but the way he killed doesn't count as a win.
Lol, if Hagoromo actually gave Ashura all his powers then from where is he giving it to Naruto and Sasuke. But if he actually had given his powers to Ashura then Ashura would've mopped the floor with Indra. All he did was chose Ashura as his successor to lead.

Sasuke won during VoTE 1 because he was going all out with CM2 while KN1 Naruto held back. But again does VoTE 1 even matters when Sasuke lost in VOTE 2.

Well we know of Uchiha history mostly from Hashirama and Madara's era. And while Ashura transmigrants have always shown mercy and Indra transmigrant tried to kill Ashura transmigrants, the fact that Ashura's descendants survived even with Indra's descendants killing intents only tells you that they were stronger than the uchiha.

Again Indra was butthurt because Hagoromo declared Ashura his successor and there's nothing that proves he was given Hagoromo's powers.

He did give his powers to Asura, but Indra wasn't a joke. He clearly was someone not to trifle with, if he managed to tie with someone that had Six Path's Powers.

Sasuke didn't use CM2 the entire time, and even then, he didn't try to kill Naruto at the end. Naruto went unconscious, boo-hoo, he lost get over it. Naruto did the best that he could to bring Sasuke back and once he realized his power wasn't enough, he started using the Nine-Tails, even after Sasuke had deactivated the CM.

We don't know if all of Asura's migrants showed mercy, or if all of Indra's migrants were trying to kill Asura's. We can only judge Sasuke and Madara based on their own actions and powers, along with Naruto and Hashirama. Trying to carve out the history what could possibly be 1,000 years of fighting based on two people is ridiculous reaching.

Yes, Indra was butthurt, but Hagoromo did say that he left everything to Asura and gave Indra nothing at all. And this manga snippet should be enough to prove that he did in fact give Asura his powers.

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Uchiha doesn't even need Sasuke to beat the entire Uzumaki clan. The Uzumaki could even ask the Hyuga for help but the Uchiha would still wreck both.
 

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I mean Uchihas are obviously stronger. But everytime threads like these are made, there's always a habit of throwing senjus in there for some strange reason. You can't put a clan that's already at its full potential against a clan that didn't even reach there yet, it's just unfair fighting and biased.

So if we're keeping this strictly uzamaki then Uchihas will win because we already saw how well a pure uzamaki member last against an Uchiha. They either get slaved away in manipulation or killed in front of their kid.
 

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Even if Kushina hadn't given birth, I'm convinced Obito would still be able to kill her. He did manage to wipe out the entire Police Force which was something even Itachi wasn't able to do.

Didn't Hagoromo say that he gave Asura his power the first time and then decided that if the world desired Indra's way then he was being selfish by standing in the way, and decided to give Sasuke his power?

Sasuke didn't win because Naruto held back, he won because it was beyond Naruto's power to take him back. He needed the power of the Nine-Tails to even come close and even then he still lost. Sasuke's Sharingan saw through all of Naruto's normal attacks and once he awakened the third tomoe, he saw through his Nine-Tails enhanced attacks again. Just admit that your favorite was outmatched that time.

Just because Hashirama kicked Madara's ass doesn't mean the entire history of the Uchiha was surrounded by L's given to them by Asura's descendants. I mean look at how Itama got clapped by like 4 Uchiha's. It was a clear cycle of both sides killing one another's clan members.

Given what we know, had Asura and Indra fought without Asura being given Hagoromo's power, then there probably wouldn't have been a Senju or Uzumaki clan. Seeing as though Indra was insane and was probably willing to kill Asura's children after killing Asura himself.

Whoa whoa there, Obito didn't kill Police Force alone. Itachi asked his help, don't you remember?
:)

Having displayed no natural talent himself, Asura came to realise the value of others and the power of the friends and allies he made. Eventually, he awakened his own power which equalled Indra's own.
 
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