Uchiha clan/ and Fanbase

[KingHashirama]

I like how the Uchiha clan on NB is represented by the traitors of the clan.

And that the "uchiha fanbase" consists of the fans who are fans of those traitors.

Hardly any of the Uchiha fans, that i have seen actually fans of the Uchiha CLAN itself.. rofl.

The AUTHORITY was scared of the Uchiha.

Uchiha clan = the authority konoha deserved and the one it needed.

#WillOfFire

#FugakuGoesHard

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[Aya San]

I'm an Uchiha fan

And that the "uchiha fanbase" consists of the fans who are fans of those traitors.

Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm an Uchiha fan



Lol

Its the truth yo. V_V .

 

[reizon]

something terrible must be wrong in your mind, if you are a true fan of those mood swinging psychopaths.!!

 

[~Sky~]

Cept they were going to start a Civil War in the Leaf, thereby leaving the village open to foreign attack.

Other than that they were k doe.

 

[KingHashirama]

Cept they were going to start a Civil War in the Leaf, thereby leaving the village open to foreign attack.

Other than that they were k doe.

Well you do support Danzo, the traitor. So its understandable you don't like Uchiha the people who were gonna bring back Konoha to its original roots.

something terrible must be wrong in your mind, if you are a true fan of those mood swinging psychopaths.!!

WAsn't talking about Orochimaru =]

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Well you do support Danzo, the traitor. So its understandable you don't like Uchiha the people who were gonna bring back Konoha to its original roots.



WAsn't talking about Orochimaru =]

HAHAHAHAHAHA wow... "Danzo The Traitor" HAHAHAHAHAHA

You do realize this is real life and that in the manga isn't?

If you're really gonna argue the point, then weather Danzo or not was bad for the leaf isn't relevant, what's relevant is the state they were in at the time (politically n economically) and if the insurrection of Uchiha -if it had been happened- would leave konoha to be destroyed during the internal turmoil.

 

[~Sky~]

Well you do support Danzo, the traitor. So its understandable you don't like Uchiha the people who were gonna bring back Konoha to its original roots.

I actually don't support Danzo, I just disagreed with a lot of what was being said in that thread about him. Not going to rehash it though, Danzo did endorse child murder and experimentation so I can no longer defend him in any way.

What the Uchiha clan wanted was fine, it's how they went about it that was messed up.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

Itachi and shishui weren't traitors through

 

[KingHashirama]

HAHAHAHAHAHA wow... "Danzo The Traitor" HAHAHAHAHAHA

You do realize this is real life and that in the manga isn't?

If you're really gonna argue the point, then weather Danzo or not was bad for the leaf isn't relevant, what's relevant is the state they were in at the time (politically n economically) and if the insurrection of Uchiha -if it had been happened- would leave konoha to be destroyed during the internal turmoil.

So what you are telling me is, we should let corruption go on in a society just to avoid "internal turmoil".. Colonists surely didn't feel that way..

As if the Uchiha would let another country attack Konoha like that.

I actually don't support Danzo, I just disagreed with a lot of what was being said in that thread about him. Not going to rehash it though, Danzo did endorse child murder and experimentation so I can no longer defend him in any way.

What the Uchiha clan wanted was fine, it's how they went about it that was messed up.

See but here is the thing, we never got the uchiha side of the story.. how they were going about it.. all we have is people who didn't know the uchiha like that assuming they were gonna do stuff like coup.. And on top of that 2 kids..

Come on man, have you seen Fugaku? The guy is too logical to kill his clan members like that for no reason.. Plus, lets not forget they have friends from other clans also. We have no clue how big the circle of the coup was...

Itachi and shishui weren't traitors through

Wasn't mentioning Shishui but he can considered a traitor depending on how you look at it.

Itachi however killed the clan. Though his dad was understanding about it.

 

[Draphsin]

Well I'm sorry if I'm a fan of the well developed uchiha clan members, rather than the background uchiha who literally have nothing to do with the plot other than the coup. But in the end even that lead to the development of the few uchiha clan members who actually matter to the story.

#Justsayin

 

[~Sky~]

See but here is the thing, we never got the uchiha side of the story.. how they were going about it.. all we have is people who didn't know the uchiha like that assuming they were gonna do stuff like coup.. And on top of that 2 kids..

Come on man, have you seen Fugaku? The guy is too logical to kill his clan members like that for no reason.. Plus, lets not forget they have friends from other clans also. We have no clue how big the circle of the coup was...

If possible, I'd like for Sasuke meet Fugaku in a death-like state, similar to how Kakashi met his father. Or something like that, just any plot device to learn more about Uchiha.

I would love to know more about him, he was a very intriguing character. I can't help but be amazed at how he let his son kill him. That's not something a warmonger would do, even though the Uchiha were portrayed to be as such.

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

If you want proof the Uchiha is a fan of itself:

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in case you didn't know the symbol itself is a fan of the uchiha. as proof heres what it would look like

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so the uchiha is a fan of itself so it don't need any fans. Gosh.:stfu::stfu:

 

[KingHashirama]

Well I'm sorry if I'm a fan of the well developed uchiha clan members, rather than the background uchiha who literally have nothing to do with the plot other than the coup. But in the end even that lead to the development of the few uchiha clan members who actually matter to the story.

#Justsayin

Traitors of the clan do not = Clan members. Please oh please don't insult the great Fugaku uchiha. Yes being reason behind the main antagonist's drive to change the system is hardly relevant to the plot..

If possible, I'd like for Sasuke meet Fugaku in a death-like state, similar to how Kakashi met his father. Or something like that, just any plot device to learn more about Uchiha.

I would love to know more about him, he was a very intriguing character. I can't help but be amazed at how he let his son kill him. That's not something a warmonger would do, even though the Uchiha were portrayed to be as such.

Hmm yea I would like that also actually. And yea i kind of hate that fact also. But its much like how Hashirama's portrayal in part 1 was different from what he was. And same for Fugaku, if we hadn't seen that scene with him and Itachi (the Scene that made Fugaku my number 1 fav uchiha) he just looked like a freaking criminal.

I think Kishimoto might put some scenes in the manga, but the rest of the story will probably be in the anime i assume. Since Kishimoto wants to end the manga quickly.

 

[Draphsin]

Traitors of the clan do not = Clan members. Please oh please don't insult the great Fugaku uchiha. Yes being reason behind the main antagonist's drive to change the system is hardly relevant to the plot..

They have uchiha blood therefore they are members of the clan, like it or not but it's true.

Sasuke is not the main antagonist & the point here is that the uchiha died in order to develop sasuke further, same with Itachi, & even obito gained development through that. The important uchiha clan members who actually have something to do with the story were affected by the clan dying, the uchiha clan members themselves provided no significance to the plot, their death was the only thing that was important.

It's like saying Izuna is important to the plot because he gave madara his EMS, Izuna is not important but his death is. Completely different interpretation.

& btw fugaku insulted himself when he failed to protect the clan as the head & got eliminated by his son. u_u

 

[KingHashirama]

They have uchiha blood therefore they are members of the clan, like it or not but it's true.

Sasuke is not the main antagonist & the point here is that the uchiha died in order to develop sasuke further, same with Itachi, & even obito gained development through that. The important uchiha clan members who actually have something to do with the story were affected by the clan dying, the uchiha clan members themselves provided no significance to the plot, their death was the only thing that was important.

It's like saying Izuna is important to the plot because he gave madara his EMS, Izuna is not important but his death is. Completely different interpretation.

& btw fugaku insulted himself when he failed to protect the clan as the head & got eliminated by his son. u_u

Then i suppose you don't know what a clan is.. blood doesn't = member of the clan.. There is something called being a traitor.

Sasuke is the main antagonist.. there is nothing anyone can do about it.. its been that way since part 1 bro. Sasuke is the main guy who will keep getting in the way of Naruto's goal.. Uchiha clan provided plenty of development.. just on screen.. even random fodders who died in the shinobi wars.. provided plenty of development.. by killing enemy ninja for konoha and so on.

And if you believe that is the only reason he is important to the plot.. then i don't even wanna bother arguing about this..

And no Fugaku didn't insult himself. Fugaku showed his loyalty and respect for the orders of the village heads... And if you believe he couldn't have killed Itachi with a surprise attack.. then i assume you are highly mistaken-ed.. even after knowing that Itachi was with the village.

Obito is my number 2 fav uchiha... but sure in hell he ain't part of the clan.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

So what you are telling me is, we should let corruption go on in a society just to avoid "internal turmoil".. Colonists surely didn't feel that way..

As if the Uchiha would let another country attack Konoha like that.




See but here is the thing, we never got the uchiha side of the story.. how they were going about it.. all we have is people who didn't know the uchiha like that assuming they were gonna do stuff like coup.. And on top of that 2 kids..

Come on man, have you seen Fugaku? The guy is too logical to kill his clan members like that for no reason.. Plus, lets not forget they have friends from other clans also. We have no clue how big the circle of the coup was...




Wasn't mentioning Shishui but he can considered a traitor depending on how you look at it.

Itachi however killed the clan. Though his dad was understanding about it.

What are u smoking? All Uchiha adult&older kids members knew of the coup and they were all preparing for it. That's about getting rid of 50% of the fighting population/ninjas that strictly lays their life's on the line for the Senju will of fire. You think it's as easy as killin 2-3 top members to gain full or even partial control of what's happening in your country?
Listen it would have been bloody and it would have been loooooong. That's why itachi had to do it as a surprise attack and had to be a member himself to achieve this. No representation from a feudal lord in the country means even more war which would have brought in the other 5 great nation to join in together or separately to destroy konoha.

 

[KingHashirama]

What are u smoking? All Uchiha adult&older kids members knew of the coup and they were all preparing for it. That's about getting rid of 50% of the fighting population/ninjas that strictly lays their life's on the line for the Senju will of fire. You think it's as easy as killin 2-3 top members to gain full or even partial control of what's happening in your country?
Listen it would have been bloody and it would have been loooooong. That's why itachi had to do it as a surprise attack and had to be a member himself to achieve this. No representation from a feudal lord in the country means even more war which would have brought in the other 5 great nation to join in together or separately to destroy konoha.

@Bold, go find me a scan... cause neither the manga or the anime talks about any of the crap you stated in the first part...

And quite false, Danzo would've had someone else kill them, if Itachi had disagreed.. nothing big..

 

[Draphsin]

Then i suppose you don't know what a clan is.. blood doesn't = member of the clan.. There is something called being a traitor.

The "traitor" still originated from a clan, otherwise they wouldn't even have a surname. They are part of a family, lets say your brother stole your sister's money, he betrayed your family/sister but does that now mean he's not a member of the family? Of course not..

This can be applied to any "treacherous" action, even murder, the murderer would still be your brother.

Sasuke is the main antagonist.. there is nothing anyone can do about it.. its been that way since part 1 bro. Sasuke is the main guy who will keep getting in the way of Naruto's goal.. Uchiha clan provided plenty of development.. just on screen.. even random fodders who died in the shinobi wars.. provided plenty of development.. by killing enemy ninja for konoha and so on.

Sasuke is not the main antagonist unless he gains the rinnegan/hashirama's dna/the juubi. "The antagonist may also represent a major threat or obstacle to the main character by their very existence, without necessarily deliberately targeting him or her."

Madara's very existence threatens every living human being on the planet, to say that he is not the main antagonist is completely false.

Sasuke is naruto's rival, his goal is to become stronger than naruto, but now he's working as an anti-hero, wanting to change the village but his way. The very fact that sasuke has no more interest in attacking the leaf proves that he's no longer a candidate for the "main antagonist's" role.

And if you believe that is the only reason he is important to the plot.. then i don't even wanna bother arguing about this..

His death is what caused madara to spiral down the path he did. Izuna did nothing to develop any characters other than madara, he provived little significance to the story.

And no Fugaku didn't insult himself. Fugaku showed his loyalty and respect for the orders of the village heads... And if you believe he couldn't have killed Itachi with a surprise attack.. then i assume you are highly mistaken-ed.. even after knowing that Itachi was with the village.

This is an excuse, Fugaku didn't show his loyalty to the clan, he allowed them all to get annihilated by two people for the sake of the village heads? That in & of itself is a failure so either way whether he anticipated Itachi's attack or not he failed at protecting the clan/his whole family.

Obito is my number 2 fav uchiha... but sure in hell he ain't part of the clan.

Of course he is, a clan is a family & he belongs to that family, no matter how dysfunctional he may be.

 

[KingHashirama]

The "traitor" still originated from a clan, otherwise they wouldn't even have a surname. They are part of a family, lets say your brother stole your sister's money, he betrayed your family/sister but does that now mean he's not a member of the family? Of course not..

This can be applied to any "treacherous" action, even murder, the murderer would still be your brother.



Sasuke is not the main antagonist unless he gains the rinnegan/hashirama's dna/the juubi. "The antagonist may also represent a major threat or obstacle to the main character by their very existence, without necessarily deliberately targeting him or her."

Madara's very existence threatens every living human being on the planet, to say that he is not the main antagonist is completely false.

Sasuke is naruto's rival, his goal is to become stronger than naruto, but now he's working as an anti-hero, wanting to change the village but his way. The very fact that sasuke has no more interest in attacking the leaf proves that he's no longer a candidate for the "main antagonist's" role.



His death is what caused madara to spiral down the path he did. Izuna did nothing to develop any characters other than madara, he provived little significance to the story.



This is an excuse, Fugaku didn't show his loyalty to the clan, he allowed them all to get annihilated by two people for the sake of the village heads? That in & of itself is a failure so either way whether he anticipated Itachi's attack or not he failed at protecting the clan/his whole family.



Of course he is, a clan is a family & he belongs to that family, no matter how dysfunctional he may be.

Understand the difference between a clan and a family. Alrighty mate. Clan is a group of people. Family is blood related.

Comparing 2 different things to try to justify your point is not good.

They can betray my family and still be part of the family.. but they betray my community.. they aren't part of my community anymore.

Senju clan itself was formed Hashirama gathering different people together to make the "senju clan" of his time.

Blood relations has nothing to do with the clan.

And i'm not gonna argue on the other part ... its pointless.

False, Fugaku did show loyalty to the clan. He never attacked the clan, nor did he run away. He chose to die with the clan. Understand what loyalty is and don't disrespect other characters, just because you are trying to justify your clan.

And now i just need proof, that Fugaku knew Itachi was killing everyone in the clan at that time. and Knew obito was with him. Cause what i stated was, Fugaku knew Itachi was with the elders..