Uchiha and senju at equal

[TheGeorge]

Ok so there's been a couple of threads where people have been stating that senju were stronger, I'm here to say that I disagree, and here's why. First Senju and Uchiha were always rivals and would constantly fight each other so if one was better than the other one would've eventually gave up or died out. Second if the Senju were better than the Uchiha people wouldn't hire the Uchiha to fight for them because it would've just been a waste of money and time if they knew that they were going to lose anyway, so this suggests that the Uchiha could win and probably did in some battles. This is why I believe their clans were equal to where Senju won some and Uchiha won others. And for the people who are going to put manga pages saying Senju are better, Kishis hypes things or people up to get readers into it or something, like when he called neji "unequaled".

Now for comparisons of the both.

First the half breeds
Kakashi vs tsunade
I believe this goes to Kakashi because of kamui and his speed. I know some of you will disagree, but I think that Kakashi will avoid tsunades attacks knowing that a punch would destroy him and then just kamui her when he can't avoid anymore.

Now the beasts
Hashirama vs Ems Madara
These guys were both in their own league,but this goes to Hashirama

I was going to put obito vs Tobirama,but we don't have enough info on Tobirama.

Sasuke vs naruto(Tobi stated he had some Senju in him) draw, because they're equal.

Itachi vs Yamato(put Yamato because couldn't remember another Senju) goes to Itachi.

So they are pretty much equal and for those that are going to say that mongekyo sharing an shouldn't be there, it's a sharingan and they get it when they lose people important to them(I think) so there should've been alot of people with it since they were in war. And even if i'm wrong, it's still part of Uchihas power.
Lastly what do you do when you can't beat someone you join them.

 

[Itachi15]

I agree they were equals

 

[Hipster Madara]

From what we've seen
Uchiha >>>> Senju
but kishi said they're equal so...

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Anyone who says the other was straight out better then the other said clan is just a moron who obviously cannot read or they are trolling you.

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People get angry when i say they can't read but this only proves my point when they make dumb ass claims like that

 

[Retsu]

jus saiyan one clansmen had to get another separate clansmen's dna to continue their evil plot to rule the world, <_<

 

[realobito1]

jus saiyan one clansmen had to get another separate clansmen's dna to continue their evil plot to rule the world, <_<

Just saying One clan has attained international fame while we don't even know what happened to the other.

 

[Retsu]

Just saying One clan has attained international fame while we don't even know what happened to the other.

Yup, and using the stronger clans dna enabled them to reach said fame, jus saiyan

 

[TheGeorge]

Yes but that was Hashirama and just hashi's DNA not another Senju.

 

[natssuu]

Indeed. Eyes = Body

 

[Retsu]

Yes but that was Hashirama and just hashi's DNA not another Senju.

even so, remove hashi's senju blood from the uchiha and Obito goes back to being fodder, and Madara already lost to Hashirama with EMS, jus saiyan that Senju overall are a better clan when you take away plot given power-ups

 

[Mischeif Maker]

yes they are equal .....ppl tend to think all uchiha are madara and all senju are hashirama but the fact if their were strong uchiha and weak uchiha and strong senju and weak senju

there was probably even ninja like muu and onooki that could beat most uchiha and senju

so the manga facts are hashi is better then madara but senju are not any better then uchiha

 

[TheGeorge]

even so, remove hashi's senju blood from the uchiha and Obito goes back to being fodder, and Madara already lost to Hashirama with EMS, jus saiyan that Senju overall are a better clan when you take away plot given power-ups

You can't say that obito would go back to being a fodder because we don't know if he still would've got the ms, yes Madara lost to Hashirama, but even Kabuto said that no one has his same power and that he could be compared to so6p As a fairy tale, that has nothing to do with Senju power that was one person no other Senju had his power. Ok maybe those power ups were plot, but then so was tsunades, and hashi's. Senju are not overall better theyre equal.

 

[Retsu]

You can't say that obito would go back to being a fodder because we don't know if he still would've got the ms, yes Madara lost to Hashirama, but even Kabuto said that no one has his same power and that he could be compared to so6p As a fairy tale, that has nothing to do with Senju power that was one person no other Senju had his power. Ok maybe those power ups were plot, but then so was tsunades, and hashi's. Senju are not overall better theyre equal.

Obito is built with zetsu dna, without hashirama half his body is gone, Edo Madara is pumped up off senju dna to the point that he's like the sage. remove senju dna from these 2 and you effectively cripple the 2 strongest entities in the uchiha clan. I say Madara knew he couldn't be better without hashi dna, so Uchiha<Senju in my eyes

 

[TheGeorge]

Ok I give you the obito part,but that's still just hashi's DNA not another Senju and even so if Hashirama would've got madaras eyes you don't think he'd be like the sage of course he would, same goes for another Senju that wants to get an Uchiha eye they're both descendants of the so6p so if you combine them of course your going to be op.

 

[Retsu]

Ok I give you the obito part,but that's still just hashi's DNA not another Senju and even so if Hashirama would've got madaras eyes you don't think he'd be like the sage of course he would, same goes for another Senju that wants to get an Uchiha eye they're both descendants of the so6p so if you combine them of course your going to be op.

I say senju is stronger than uchiha because Madara and Hashirama are the tipping points, hashirama was able to control tailed beast like pets and handed them out to the neighbooring nations while keeping the strongest for konoha, Tobirama made edo tensei which is the sole reason madara is back, if the show were different and the senju were all evil, I feel like they'd do way more damage.

Tsunade is almost unkillable by conventional means, and they even had a genjutsu user,although shes been given little hype, I feel senju overall have the better package, with hashiramas bottomless reserves and controlling of bijuul, and tobiramas creation of edo tensei tipping the scales in favor of senju, Madara never even used rinnegan until after he took a portion of hashiramas power.

 

[TheGeorge]

I say senju is stronger than uchiha because Madara and Hashirama are the tipping points, hashirama was able to control tailed beast like pets and handed them out to the neighbooring nations while keeping the strongest for konoha, Tobirama made edo tensei which is the sole reason madara is back, if the show were different and the senju were all evil, I feel like they'd do way more damage.

Tsunade is almost unkillable by conventional means, and they even had a genjutsu user,although shes been given little hype, I feel senju overall have the better package, with hashiramas bottomless reserves and controlling of bijuul, and tobiramas creation of edo tensei tipping the scales in favor of senju, Madara never even used rinnegan until after he took a portion of hashiramas power.

I could say the same thing about Uchiha if Itachi was evil do you know how op he would be, and those are two out of how much in the clan. Almost all the Uchiha have the power to control bijuus like pets with almost no effort. Tsunade can easily be killed with ms techs and we don't know how much Madara actually tried in the battle for all we know he lost on purpose and used the kyuubi as a distraction to get hashi's DNA since he could easily beat the bijuus. I don't think that hashi and Madara differed in power to much since they faught many times before and neither of them died. And for the Edo tensei part anyone could've done that regardless of their clan.

 

[Simple Math]

equal

 

[Unorthodox]

uchiha obito would still have rinnegan he only used senju dna for izanagi obito stomps hashirama sasuke > hashi aswell