Two tyes of Koto Amatsukami

[Senju Bean]

Danzo's version seemed to be weaker since it isn't permanent. It seemed like it would only work as long as the MS is activated. Also, Minfune was able to snap out of it upon realizing.

However, the one Itachi's crow used seemed much more powerful. It seemed like it would be a permanent rewriting of the brain. There is no way that it would be reasonable for Itachi to expect that crow to constantly keep Sasuke under Koto if the tech dissapates after using it.

So why is there a difference? Could it be like Kamui where one is different in each eye? But why the imbalance? The crows version of Koto is clearly better in every way.

 

[3MESSIAH]

no it`s most likely the same.the only reason mifune realized about it was because influence on his mind only lasted long enough for him to acknowledge danzo as the leader.plus AO told him about it.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

There is no difference in power.

Danzo's is more useful thanks to Senju DNA.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Danzo's version seemed to be weaker since it isn't permanent. It seemed like it would only work as long as the MS is activated. Also, Minfune was able to snap out of it upon realizing.

However, the one Itachi's crow used seemed much more powerful. It seemed like it would be a permanent rewriting of the brain. There is no way that it would be reasonable for Itachi to expect that crow to constantly keep Sasuke under Koto if the tech dissapates after using it.

So why is there a difference? Could it be like Kamui where one is different in each eye? But why the imbalance? The crows version of Koto is clearly better in every way.

What if Shisui wanted a temporal control on purpose? What if he had to control a friend and not changing him forever, due certain context (for instance, a friendly fight)?

I guess every jutsu has a drawback...

 

[Avinash012]

IMo they both are same.

 

[Senju Bean]

no it`s most likely the same.the only reason mifune realized about it was because influence on his mind only lasted long enough for him to acknowledge danzo as the leader.plus AO told him about it.

So are you saying that had the tech been used longer, Minfune's mind would be rewritten?

Why was Kabuto's control over Itachi broken immediately?

 

[Oblivionx]

kabuto realized it immediatly after tech was used and itachi used a stronger version of tech...! danzo couldn't have used that version because that way mifune would have noticed that he is being influenced and change his decision..! kabuto released itachi from edo tensei (i mean control) when tech was used and then he realized what he has done...! but only problem was kabuto couldn't undo what he had done while mifune could still have taken his words back...!

 

[3MESSIAH]

So are you saying that had the tech been used longer, Minfune's mind would be rewritten?

Why was Kabuto's control over Itachi broken immediately?

no,what i meant is that koto amatsukami isnt used to rewrite a mind.it is used to give a command to a subject`s mind without that subject realizing.danzo`s command was:appoint me as the leader of shinobi alliance. when mifune obeyed that command the genjutsu was over.it worked and has served its purpose.

itachi`s command lasted untill he fullfilled it...the same as mifune`s. the command was: protect konoha.so itachi stopped the edo tensei in order to protect konoha.he was under the influence untill he fullfilled the command.the reason because he was rid of kabuto`s control over him is because KA overwrote kabuto`s control and controlled itachi

 

[Harry Balzac]

Same jutsu, same effects. Only difference is plot.

 

[Senju Bean]

no,what i meant is that koto amatsukami isnt used to rewrite a mind.it is used to give a command to a subject`s mind without that subject realizing.danzo`s command was:appoint me as the leader of shinobi alliance. when mifune obeyed that command the genjutsu was over.it worked and has served its purpose.

itachi`s command lasted untill he fullfilled it...the same as mifune`s. the command was: protect konoha.so itachi stopped the edo tensei in order to protect konoha.he was under the influence untill he fullfilled the command.the reason because he was rid of kabuto`s control over him is because KA overwrote kabuto`s control and controlled itachi

Wouldn't Danzo be better off if he gave Minfune the command to forever be a diehard Danzo loyalist? That way, when Minfune found out he was being controlled, he wouldn't care a single bit and would continue to further Danzo's goals for the rest of his life.

 

[Untamed]

Honestly it would be interesting if they both worked a tad bit differently .
One of them , R eye, can put Shisui in control of the other person's mind for as long as he wants until the MS chakra ends. The , L eye, can can command instantly and it takes effect like a Death Note until all the actions are completed that were instructed of the target.

However the chakra amount probably determine it. Senju dna I mean.

 

[thegame]

Yeah I have been saying this for years. Besides, there is no inbalance between the two types of KA. Let me explain:

Danzo's worked in a way, where it could be canceled by the user. The eye needed to be activated during function. These are truly downside effects compared to Itachi's.
However, Danzo could use his much more frequently. I know this was due to Hashirama's DNA, however, this is just a misunderstanding! We know for a fact, that the one Itachi used on himself, needed a decade (10 years) between each usage. Danzo could use his maybe two times a day considering his use on Mifune and later he had it ready in the fight vs Sasuke.
So lets say twice a day. If this is solely due to Hashirama upgrade, it would be insane, since this speeds the "reload time" up by 2*365*10 = 7300 times faster. Hashirama DNA is great, sure, but not that great. And it was never said in the manga, what "reload time" Danzo's KA had, when it was in Shisui.

And you are of course correct about Itachi's KA. If you look through every scene, where Itachi was under KA, he wasn't able to control his own movements. It's quite clear from several situations. Itachi was put under the command "protect Konoha" - one might even propose, that it was actually Itachi who TnJ'ed Sasuke - and not Hashirama. Because this way, Itachi protected Konoha with what he said and showed to Sasuke after beating Kabuto.
So obviously this extremely OP jutsu, which can one shot about anyone, of course has a reload time of 10 years.

 

[thegame]

no,what i meant is that koto amatsukami isnt used to rewrite a mind.it is used to give a command to a subject`s mind without that subject realizing.danzo`s command was:appoint me as the leader of shinobi alliance. when mifune obeyed that command the genjutsu was over.it worked and has served its purpose.

itachi`s command lasted untill he fullfilled it...the same as mifune`s. the command was: protect konoha.so itachi stopped the edo tensei in order to protect konoha.he was under the influence untill he fullfilled the command.the reason because he was rid of kabuto`s control over him is because KA overwrote kabuto`s control and controlled itachi

The reason this is incorrect, is because Danzo needed to keep his eye active during the jutsu. When he stopped using the eye, the jutsu ended. Danzo also did not give a direct order to Mifune. He planted ideas or symbols as to why it would be favorable not to chose any other leader but Konoha's. This is evident from the meeting chapter, IMO.

Itachi on the other hand destroyed the sharingan afterwards, however, this did not end the jutsu. Itachi was still being controlled by KA, else Kabuto could simply have taken back control. KA in this case controls ones mind by giving it an ultimate goal, which it by any means must fulfill. To me it is evident by simply observing Itachi's action after he destroys Shisuis eye. Every action is in the favor of Konoha, and he does not deviate from that goal even for one second.