Tsunade vs. Kimmimaro

[Bantos]

Meh. If I were you I'd just ignore the insults; in my time here, I've learned a lot of the more 'famous' debaters like to accompany their points with baseless street insults and propaganda in an attempt to appear intimidating.

The point here isn't insulting you know. :/
I have been called retarded for countless times here already. xD But I'm not letting such misogyny slide.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Same for Kimimaro, he will never be able to survive a punch from Tsunade to the head. And Tsunade can stop his movements if she wants so, while Kimimaro can't.
The speed difference really isn't that huge, and she did act faster than Gaara. While Kimimaro lost to Gaara three years ago when he was A LOT weaker.

it has been already shown that even a direct hit can be survived.. though it doesn't really matter since tsunade isn't superior in cqc
tsunade is now Itachi or what?
gaara won thanks to his stamina adventage and defense not his speed or reaction time.. your abc logic doesn't work here

 

[Bantos]

it has been already shown that even a direct hit can be survived.. though it doesn't really matter since tsunade isn't superior in cqc
tsunade is now Itachi or what?
gaara won thanks to his stamina adventage and defense not his speed or reaction time.. your abc logic doesn't work here

Gaara's reactions were fast enough for Kimimaro. Tsunade >> Gaara in reaction speed.

Tsunade just grabs Kimimaro or ranshinsho's him. It's simple as that.

 

[Black Wolf]

I find it useless to tell you otherwise since you won't accept the points I bring up.

I will counter them appropriately if I disagree with them, which is the purpose of a debate and this entire forum, for that matter.

But yeah, Tsunade's reaction speed shits on Kimimaro's

Reacting to drunken Lee, who has the most unpredictable of fighting styles in the manga alongside Killer Bee, trumps any reactive feat Tsunade might have.

As an example I'll use the time she countered those fireballs Madara spit. Gaara didn't even act, while Mei did a handseal and Tsunade had already countered them.

That isn't a reactive feat moreso than a charge forward towards the enemy attack that she knew she could survive. Mei was physically beat given the fact that her injuries are not healed by a passive healing technique like Byakugo, and thus her reactive feats will suffer accordingly.

Also this points out that Tsunade moves short distances with great speed.

Most characters can move short distances with great speed; issue is that linear charges are easily bypassed and dodged, useless in most cases unless you are the Raikage.

12 year old Kakashi was kicking up dust clouds with his Chidori-charges, and could also cover short distances with great speed but it didn't get him anywhere.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Gaara's reactions were fast enough for Kimimaro.

then why did he spam ninjutsu to avoid getting stomped instead of simply outspeeding Kimi?

Tsunade just grabs Kimimaro or ranshinsho's him. It's simple as that.

:erm:

 

[Bantos]

then why did he spam ninjutsu to avoid getting stomped instead of simply outspeeding Kimi?
:erm:

But he DID have the reaction speed to catch Kimimaro and act according to his attack with his ninjutsu.

I will counter them appropriately if I disagree with them, which is the purpose of a debate and this entire forum, for that matter.



Reacting to drunken Lee, who has the most unpredictable of fighting styles in the manga alongside Killer Bee, trumps any reactive feat Tsunade might have.



That isn't a reactive feat moreso than a charge forward towards the enemy attack that she knew she could survive. Mei was physically beat given the fact that her injuries are not healed by a passive healing technique like Byakugo, and thus her reactive feats will suffer accordingly.



Most characters can move short distances with great speed; issue is that linear charges are easily bypassed and dodged, useless in most cases unless you are the Raikage.

12 year old Kakashi was kicking up dust clouds with his Chidori-charges, and could also cover short distances with great speed but it didn't get him anywhere.

I just simply disagree with you. I still believe Tsunade has better reaction speed. This is totally pointless.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kimimaro has a 4.5 in speed / reflexes, whilst Tsunade has a 3.5, if numerical methods are more to your taste.

And the third databook is representative of Part II, up until the Itachi vs. Sasuke fight, so it is not her "rusty state." And for the majority of Part II, all Tsunade has done is sit on a Hokage chair ruling the village, or sit on a hospital bed in a coma.

You could argue that she improved throughout the fight she had against Madara, as per Shonen standards, but you'd be hardpressed convincing anyone that she underwent an astronomical leap in a single bout to cover such a massive gap.

 

[Wabbit]

Punching Kimimaro is like punching a porcupine..Tsunade has to be carefull but she can heal herself
Kimimaru has to avoid her punches..I think Tsunade will devastate him at first and he will use Dance of the Seedling Fern and end her.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

But he DID have the reaction speed to catch Kimimaro and act according to his attack with his ninjutsu.

so if EMS/Rinnegan Udon defeats Gai via perfect susanoo and CT then Konohamaru has better reaction than Gai because he's faster than Udon who defeated Gai?

 

[Black Wolf]

Punching Kimimaro is like punching a porcupine..Tsunade has to be carefull but she can heal herself

More like punching a porcupine enhanced with adamantium.

The man was tanking mineral enhanced sand coffins (stronger than Gaara's regular sand coffins). Regular sand coffins have already proven to be capable of turning the human body into a puddle of red liquid. Tsunade's feat of cracking an early stage of Susano'o almost guarantees that her strikes can damage him, but it does not prove that it can outright kill him, especially given the fact he is capable of healing himself as well.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Tsunade only has a chance because kimi's sick. The only way she wins is when his disease kills him.

 

[Bantos]

so if EMS/Rinnegan Udon defeats Gai via perfect susanoo and CT then Konohamaru has better reaction than Gai because he's faster than Udon who defeated Gai?

This is not even the same thing. >_> Geez. I'm not even going to try make you understand anymore.

More like punching a porcupine enhanced with adamantium.

The man was tanking mineral enhanced sand coffins (stronger than Gaara's regular sand coffins). Regular sand coffins have already proven to be capable of turning the human body into a puddle of red liquid. Tsunade's feat of cracking an early stage of Susano'o almost guarantees that her strikes can damage him, but it does not prove that it can outright kill him, especially given the fact he is capable of healing himself as well.

His insides will be destroyed by the tremors of her punch on his body. He'll simply die.

Also, Katsuyu apparently isn't restricted here. Katsuyu can kill Kimimaro even tough I believe Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to beat Kimimaro.

 

[Black Wolf]

His insides will be destroyed by the tremors of her punch on his body. He'll simply die.

No evidence that such a thing will occur, for multiple reasons.

1. As I've stated, normal sand coffins turn people into a puddle of blood. Kimimaro was taking mineral enhanced sand coffins which were not only stronger than normal sand coffins but also much larger in scope, given the fact that Gaara was dumping waves of sand on him. Kimimaro strolled out of these without issue. This durability feat protects him from the notion of an insta-kill.

2. Kimimaro's insides are constantly being pierced by the very nature of his Kekkei Genkai, which extrudes his bones outward, essentially stabbing his inner organs omni-directionally. Nothing at all indicates that the man has normal innards to begin with.

Also, Katsuyu apparently isn't restricted here. Katsuyu can kill Kimimaro even tough I believe Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to beat Kimimaro.

Because it is completely IC for Tsunade to summon Katsuyu against the likes of Kimimaro when she did not do so when facing Uchiha Madara, and on the losing end at that.

Not to mention that none of Katsuyu's feats give her immunity to bone field.

 

[Wabbit]

More like punching a porcupine enhanced with adamantium. The man was tanking mineral enhanced sand coffins that would normally turn the human body into a puddle of red liquid. Tsunade's feat of cracking an early stage of Susano'o guarantees that she can damage him, but it does not prove that it can outright kill him, especially given the fact he is capable of healing himself as well.

He is a bad match up for close range combat and for someone like tsunade who only uses taijutsu it is more bad...Also he creates sword with his bones using camellia dance...but she can make him miserable if she uses body pathway derangement but she has to reach his body first

Also, Katsuyu apparently isn't restricted here. Katsuyu can kill Kimimaro even tough I believe Tsunade doesn't need Katsuyu to beat Kimimaro.

if he is pushed he will use bone forest..Katsuyu wont stand and disappear or will split itself into small slugs.. nor does Tsunade has a chance

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

This is not even the same thing. >_> Geez. I'm not even going to try make you understand anymore.

can't even admit when he gets solo'd via indirect proof...
how p.. ooh wait I don't want to get banned for user bashing.. :erm:

 

[Shura]

This post is partly BS.

Want to know the funny thing? You call other posts BS and yet all of your posts are BS or should we remind ourselves of your ''Tsunade tanks Tsukuyomi with willpower!'', ''Tsunade counters Amaterasu by cutting off her limbs and then regenerating them!'', etc. posts? Lmao.

@On-Topic. Depends. I'm leaning towards Tsunade.​

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[Black Wolf]

He is a bad match up for close range combat and for someone like tsunade who only uses taijutsu it is more bad

Why?

He is faster than her, can survive her punches with the combination of his durability and healing, and is more than capable of landing hits on her.

Also he creates sword with his bones using camellia dance

I am aware of that, but am unsure what it has to do with anything I was saying.

but she can make him miserable if she uses body pathway derangement but she has to reach his body first

No evidence that a man who casually stabs his vital organs multiple times will be affected by a technique that attacks the nerves.

 

[Bantos]

No evidence that such a thing will occur, for multiple reasons.

1. As I've stated, normal sand coffins turn people into a puddle of blood. Kimimaro was taking mineral enhanced sand coffins which were not only stronger than normal sand coffins but also much larger in scope, given the fact that Gaara was dumping waves of sand on him. Kimimaro strolled out of these without issue. This durability feat protects him from the notion of an insta-kill.

2. Kimimaro's insides are constantly being pierced by the very nature of his Kekkei Genkai, which extrudes his bones outward, essentially stabbing his inner organs omni-directionally. Nothing at all indicates that the man has normal innards to begin with.



Because it is completely IC for Tsunade to summon Katsuyu against the likes of Kimimaro when she did not do so when facing Uchiha Madara, and on the losing end at that.

Not to mention that none of Katsuyu's feats give her immunity to bone field.

Wut. I actually believe Kimimaro grows a layer of bone under his skin and is then capable of growing his bones out from there. At least when he actually uses bones that come out from all over his body.

Gaara's attack is very different from Tsunade's attack. Gaara causes pressure all over the body, that tries to crush the enemy, while Tsunade's punch causes quick massive damage with a punch or a kick, the attack will tremor his whole body and probably destroys his brain + other organs. Kimimaro has nothing to soften the tremors of the punch. He will be skin, bone and blood after a hit.

We're not going to see eye to eye in this match up so I'm not doing this anymore, you have great points and are probably one of the best debaters on this site.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Kimimaro wins. Standard.

 

[Bantos]

Want to know the funny thing? You call other posts BS and yet all of your posts are BS or should we remind ourselves of your ''Tsunade tanks Tsukuyomi with willpower!'', ''Tsunade counters Amaterasu by cutting off her limbs and then regenerating them!'', etc. posts? Lmao.

@On-Topic. Depends. I'm leaning towards Tsunade.​

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Tsunade doesn't TANK tsukuyomi, but tsukuyomi can't kill so there you have it. Also Tsunade can regenerate limbs which is a manga fact so... yeah.