Tsunade vs Katsuyu

[Murasame]

Who wins? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[TheEvilOne]

Katsuyu takes this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[~Sky~]

The Explosive Taijutsu vs Uncounter-able , unbeatable, unavoidable acid? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Gotta go with the Katsuyu speed blitz. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Katsuyu would have to be increased 250% in size in order to defeat Tsunade. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Murasame]

Katsuyu takes this ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

So the summon is stronger than its master? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

The Explosive Taijutsu vs Uncounter-able , unbeatable, unavoidable acid? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Gotta go with the Katsuyu speed blitz. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I don't know dude Tsunade has Explosive Taijutsu as you've said and then she has speed on par with V2 Ay. She's also stated to be unkillable in battle and is unmatched in combat. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Then you have Katsuyu who is the god of all summons that has acid that shoots in instant speeds and can take any physical damage. Her acid can even kill the immortal Orochimaru in one go. It seems evenly matched ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Katsuyu would have to be increased 250% in size in order to defeat Tsunade. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Refer to my previous post ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[TheEvilOne]

So the summon is stronger than its master? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Yup. btw, Enma > Hiruzen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Curse Mark]

\ Uncounter-able , unbeatable, unavoidable acid? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

tell that to manda.

 

[miromiro]

Katsuyu wins. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Joshutsu]

Katsuya is stronger than Tsunade. People forget the original sannin actually fear and respect their summons.

Katsuya > Tsunade

Gamabunta and co. > Jiraya (without them Jiraya sucks check out his movepool without summons, of course they whoop him)

Manda > orochimaru (we've seen this already)


The New sannin could technically beat their summons (except katsuya because shes stronger than the other summons)

If that are that strong though they should never need assistance from the summons, yet they do.

 

[RicardoA]

Katsuya is stronger than Tsunade. People forget the original sannin actually fear and respect their summons.

Katsuya > Tsunade

Gamabunta and co. > Jiraya (without them Jiraya sucks check out his movepool without summons, of course they whoop him)

Manda > orochimaru (we've seen this already)


The New sannin could technically beat their summons (except katsuya because shes stronger than the other summons)

If that are that strong though they should never need assistance from the summons, yet they do.

@bold: I'm not sure if this is true. IIRC Kabuto said Orochimaru had trouble controlling Manda and were he to know about Oro's condition he wouldn't think twice before betraying him.
And isn't Bunta picky about who sits on his head? He needs to have respect for that person (kinda implies the summoner has to be superior). I could also see Jiraiya defeating any boss toad with his base feats.
By portrayal the summoner is always stronger.

OT: Katsuyu wins.

 

[Joshutsu]

@bold: I'm not sure if this is true. IIRC Kabuto said Orochimaru had trouble controlling Manda and were he to know about Oro's condition he wouldn't think twice before betraying him.
And isn't Bunta picky about who sits on his head? He needs to have respect for that person (kinda implies the summoner has to be superior). I could also see Jiraiya defeating any boss toad with his base feats.
By portrayal the summoner is always stronger.

OT: Katsuyu wins.

We don't know oro with arms after hiruzen fight. Only now. Manda is dead now as well so at the time.

Manda > oro

Also, jiraya should be put against all toads he has shown, since they are all his contract summons. His frogs solo him because he needs them for his techniques

frogs > jiraya


But yes I agree the summon must see the ninja fit to give them a contract.

 

[RicardoA]

We don't know oro with arms after hiruzen fight. Only now. Manda is dead now as well so at the time.

Manda > oro

Also, jiraya should be put against all toads he has shown, since they are all his contract summons. His frogs solo him because he needs them for his techniques

frogs > jiraya


But yes I agree the summon must see the ninja fit to give them a contract.

@bold: I'm not talking about feats when it comes to Oro. It was implied that

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, something that wouldn't happen under normal circumstances.
Manda > crippled Oro, not a full power, healthy Oro.

Why should we compare Jiraiya to all the toads at the same time? o>o Why not using every snake against Oro, or 100% Katsuyu against Tsunade then?
@bold2: You mean SM. He has more than that and it was shown during the sannin battle that even a drugged Jiraiya could handle giant summons pretty easily.

It wouldn't make sense if the summoner couldn't control the summon. Its like a pet and the owner. You won't own an animal you can't tame :>

 

[Joshutsu]

@bold: I'm not talking about feats when it comes to Oro. It was implied that

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, something that wouldn't happen under normal circumstances.
Manda > crippled Oro, not a full power, healthy Oro.

Why should we compare Jiraiya to all the toads at the same time? o>o Why not using every snake against Oro, or 100% Katsuyu against Tsunade then?
@bold2: You mean SM. He has more than that and it was shown during the sannin battle that even a drugged Jiraiya could handle giant summons pretty easily.

It wouldn't make sense if the summoner couldn't control the summon. Its like a pet and the owner. You won't own an animal you can't tame :>

@ first bold, you totally missed my point. We've only known a crippled orochimaru for the entire manga, which means this is the 'normal orochimaru'

Manda is > oro in general for that fact.

It's like us knowing that Tsunade in reality is supposed to look old and wrinkled, but we've only ever seen the young Tsunade and have seen this one for majority of the manga therefore this is the 'normal tsunade' and an old tsunade would be out of the ordinary, same for a full powered orochimaru because we know just as much about it as old tsunade. His full powered self used edo tensei... whoopie

@ second bold, because he has summoned them. I'm talking about only what he summoned.

How many other snakes has oro used? Put them on board too. It's just to proove the superiority of the summoned animals.

Also I am aware J-man knows other techniques, take a good look at his jutsu list online and subtract everyone than involved frog collaberations.

I think that leaves him with like 3-4 techniques. That can be used for fighting. Remember to subtract all his sage art techniques as he cannot use sage techniques without being in sage mode which requires his frogs.

Tsunade never summoned 100% katsuya, and the result would be the same. If we want to be technical, katsuya is a bunch of smaller slugs come together so like Tsunade would technically only be fighting a katsuya the size of a loaf of bread. Because of this i thought fair to put all known summoned snakes and frogs against their summoners.

 

[RicardoA]

@ first bold, you totally missed my point. We've only known a crippled orochimaru for the entire manga, which means this is the 'normal orochimaru'

Manda is > oro in general for that fact.

@ second bold, because he has summoned them. I'm talking about only what he summoned.

How many other snakes has oro used? Put them on board too. It's just to proove the superiority of the summoned animals.

Tsunade never summoned 100% katsuya, and the result would be the same. If we want to be technical, katsuya is a bunch of smaller slugs come together so like Tsunade would technically only be fighting a katsuya the size of a loaf of bread.

Isn't that what i just said? That Manda > crippled Oro, nothing more? o>o
Jiraiya never summoned more than 1 Boss toad at the same time. I don't think its fair to compare him to a family of super strong summons.

@bold: Yeeeks. Hell no, lel.

 

[Penguin]

Katsuya owns anyone one on one.

 

[Joshutsu]

Isn't that what i just said? That Manda > crippled Oro, nothing more? o>o
Jiraiya never summoned more than 1 Boss toad at the same time. I don't think its fair to compare him to a family of super strong summons.

@bold: Yeeeks. Hell no, lel.

That is not what you just said. The orochimaru we all know and love is capable of nothing more than what he is by feats. Therefore he is just 'orochimaru' not 'crippled orochimaru'

So it's not fair to put all the frogs n snakes shown to be summoned by the user against them? Yet it's fair to put the big katsuya against Tsunade? Even when we've seen her summon the basic really small one? Please

It is fair, and even if you want to claim he's never summoned all at once. Jiraya summoned Ma and Pa and that toad with the staff in one fight and used them at the same time against pain. Those 3 are more than enough. So ha.

These Scenarios aren't even in the case that the summoner summons them and starts fighting or then they all would win by making the kuchiyose vanish. So it does not matter who has never summoned who at the same time. Even though your attempt still didn't work by what i said above.

At the end of this all call him crippled or not. I am still right.


The summons >>> the original sannin put it under whatever drawbacks you want i am right :< Alas, this thread shall not grow much more to my expense, brush up.

 

[RicardoA]

That is not what you just said. The orochimaru we all know and love is capable of nothing more than what he is by feats. Therefore he is just 'orochimaru' not 'crippled orochimaru'

So it's not fair to put all the frogs n snakes shown to be summoned by the user against them? Yet it's fair to put the big katsuya against Tsunade? Even when we've seen her summon the basic really small one? Please

It is fair, and even if you want to claim he's never summoned all at once. Jiraya summoned Ma and Pa and that toad with the staff in one fight and used them at the same time against pain. Those 3 are more than enough. So ha.

These Scenarios aren't even in the case that the summoner summons them and starts fighting or then they all would win by making the kuchiyose vanish. So it does not matter who has never summoned who at the same time. Even though your attempt still didn't work by what i said above.

At the end of this all call him crippled or not. I am still right.


The summons >>> the original sannin put it under whatever drawbacks you want i am right :< Alas, this thread shall not grow much more to my expense, brush up.

I'm not talking about feats, the author blatantly implied a sick Oro < Manda, while before Hiruzen sealed his arms everything was fine.
I don't think its fair to compare Jiraiya to 5 strong summons (6 with Gamatatsu) and Tsunade only to a small portion of Katsuyu (who's actully quite big)...

We just have different opinions, that's fine :>

 

[Curse Mark]

Katsuya owns anyone one on one.

Nah. Think harder. This mean you think no one can win a battle as long as she's on the opposing team?

 

[Penguin]

Nah. Think harder. This mean you think no one can win a battle as long as she's on the opposing team?

Yes. Katsuya is un-beatable.

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes. Katsuya is un-beatable.

:| not sure if serious.