[VS] Tsunade vs kakuzu

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hehe , thats Funny
Kakuzu doesnt need his masks to defeat Tsunade.

Actually this was funnier....

 

[Chatte]

Keep it on topic.

 

[lol99]

kakuzu steals her heart <3

 

[Edo Odin]

But he will attempt to grab her and take her heart...and this is where she can pull him and basically punch him to death,almost.
Given how she destroyed a body 3/4 I am sure she'll take out at least 3 out of 5 hearts.
ANd also, battles aren't always about speed. She compensates by her style of fighting.
As well, we don't know how much chakra it takes. That's just assumable.

Sure, but if she does that, he'd simply harden his skin, she can't punch through diamonds. Although, I won't try to deny the fact that if she hits him when not in Earth Spear Mode, she'd do a lot of damage. However, as we saw him dodging Choji's attacks that came out of nowhere without much trouble [

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And of course, battles aren't always about speed, but speed is necessary in order to get through a defense with as large range as Kakuzu's threads, while he's also able to take out an enemy with the blasts of the masks. [

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And of course it's just an assumption, but nonetheless, I don't think creating a new organ after it's been removed is as easy as basic healing.

 

[Wik]

People here seem to forget that Tsunade has exceptional training when it comes to dodging and remaining unharmed. And also any attempt from Kakuzu to hold or grab her would most likely result in her pulling him in and stomping whatever heart was foolish enough to make that mistake so I don't think Kakuzu would try this from the beginning, he's not stupid.

However Kakuzu has the advantage of attacking from multiple angles simultaneously with long ranged attack so he will still remain on the offensive most of the time. The question to me seem to boil down to if kakuzu can land enough hits to make Tsunade drain herself from selfhealing before he starts to run out of steam (chakra) himself.

I'd give a slight edge to Tsunade high dif.

 

[Zexion~]

alright sitting atop katsuyu wont do **** for tsunade kakuzu is fast can move short distances IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE he could easily dodge the acid and he could get behind tsunade easily and either use earth spear while punching or just unleash a force of blows tsunade is SLOWW and has no range kakuzu is fast and has range and stoop saying that shes automaticly going to break kakuzu in half if orochimaru can survive a punch so can kakuzus earth spear and thats IF the punch hits which it most likely will not ........... ALSO if tsunade does manage to hit kakuzu which is a long shot he can easily absorb one of his hearts coming back to life then proceeding to rape tsunade with large scale jutsus or even just spammers because she has NOTHING to counter with

 

[Edo Odin]

People here seem to forget that Tsunade has exceptional training when it comes to dodging and remaining unharmed. And also any attempt from Kakuzu to hold or grab her would most likely result in her pulling him in and stomping whatever heart was foolish enough to make that mistake so I don't think Kakuzu would try this from the beginning, he's not stupid.

However Kakuzu has the advantage of attacking from multiple angles simultaneously with long ranged attack so he will still remain on the offensive most of the time. The question to me seem to boil down to if kakuzu can land enough hits to make Tsunade drain herself from selfhealing before he starts to run out of steam (chakra) himself.

I'd give a slight edge to Tsunade high dif.

Exceptional training doesn't necessary mean that she can automatically get through a bundle of threads while dodging the blasts of two masks at once. And even if he gets pulled in, he can harden himself to negate any injury.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Exceptional training doesn't necessary mean that she can automatically get through a bundle of threads while dodging the blasts of two masks at once. And even if he gets pulled in, he can harden himself to negate any injury.

I doubt his skin is harder then Madara's Susanoo ribcage or Madara's Complete Susanoo swords. It was stated Gaara's defence is ABSOLUTE, yet the Susanoo's ribcage is a stronger defence. This was stated during Sasuke vs the Kages battle.

Tsunade's strength > Complete Susanoo swords > Susanoo's ribcage > Gaara's sand > Kakuzu's defence.

 

[Wik]

Exceptional training doesn't necessary mean that she can automatically get through a bundle of threads while dodging the blasts of two masks at once. And even if he gets pulled in, he can harden himself to negate any injury.

I've never said that she would be able to dodge him forever and ever. If you re-read my post you will see that I stated that she is trained in dodging and predicting attacks which in turn makes slower speed less of a disadvantage defense wise. The point I was trying to make is that if he wants to hit he will have to spam from different directions constantly= sucks up a lot of chakra. Also Tsunades body can handle traveling at the speed of light with no protection= She can take several ranged hits before going down.

As I've alrleady said it comes down to who runs out of chakra first. Also as the princess said above me, if she would actually hit once boom goes a heart. You are not giving Tsunade credit enough.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Kakuzu has been repeatedly nailed by fodder nin, and we're getting by told by his fans he's going to dance around and out fight frickin Tsunade...someone who is a Kage on the back of her exceptional close range fighting skills. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Kakuzu can't do anything serious to Tsunade, but she can easily do stuff to him. This is a stomp by Tsunade.

 

[Zexion~]

so if i had a different avatar id be right? stop please stop now youre all opinion fodder ninja naruto is fodder? and to quote someone else on this site " he was trolled by kishi" if youre refering to the tenten breaking ONE heart she was with hundreds of other ninja and kakuzu is kage rank btw and you do not post any reasons even if kakuzu and tsunade engage in close range kakuzu is clearly superior in taijutsu he easily dodges tsunades attack and hits her with earth spear punch or just spam with long range your just not getting it im done explaining kakuzu wins everyone who isnt anti-kakuzu ( like you you think he loses to everyone) or Tsunade fan which is fine knows it

 

[Chatte]

If you won't keep this debate nice and polite I'll close it down.

 

[Yashiro]

kakuzu

 

[Arcanor]

Tsunade can't beat 1v1 most akatsuki and other kages, she is not a really powerful 1v1 shinobi .She is the best med nin in the world her combat force has to be a little lower..

 

[Edo Odin]

I doubt his skin is harder then Madara's Susanoo ribcage or Madara's Complete Susanoo swords. It was stated Gaara's defence is ABSOLUTE, yet the Susanoo's ribcage is a stronger defence. This was stated during Sasuke vs the Kages battle.

Tsunade's strength > Complete Susanoo swords > Susanoo's ribcage > Gaara's sand > Kakuzu's defence.

And you're taking Sasuke's word for that ? I go by feats>hype, which clearly showed Gaara's Sand defending him against five CS Susanoo swords at once, while Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage got broken by a chop from the Raikage while standing still.

And where did you get that Tsunade's strength was more powerful then 5 Complete Susanoo swords ? That's merely an assumption.

And where do you get that Kakuzu's defense is weaker than Gaara's ? We've only seen it a few times, but it never failed to defend him, except when faced with Raiton.

C'mon, you're a good debater most of the times, but like 80% of that post was purely assumption based...

I've never said that she would be able to dodge him forever and ever. If you re-read my post you will see that I stated that she is trained in dodging and predicting attacks which in turn makes slower speed less of a disadvantage defense wise. The point I was trying to make is that if he wants to hit he will have to spam from different directions constantly= sucks up a lot of chakra. Also Tsunades body can handle traveling at the speed of light with no protection= She can take several ranged hits before going down.

As I've alrleady said it comes down to who runs out of chakra first. Also as the princess said above me, if she would actually hit once boom goes a heart. You are not giving Tsunade credit enough.

She has a lot of chakra, sure, but I don't think you're grasping the power of Kakuzu's attacks. Healing from attacks like that, which would be coming from 5 different directions would take up an immense amount of chakra, while she can't really get to him due to reasons I've explained above.

Kakuzu is simply a bad matchup for her (like a lot of ninja are)

 

[Chatte]

Where exactly does it show how strong his defence is?
And she is instant regenerating organs.
As well, he's not such a bad match-up. People just underestimate Tsunade too much!
Not saying Kakuzu is weak or anything like that, but still...

 

[Edo Odin]

Where exactly does it show how strong his defence is?
And she is instant regenerating organs.
As well, he's not such a bad match-up. People just underestimate Tsunade too much!
Not saying Kakuzu is weak or anything like that, but still...

The name of the attack, and the fact that the databook literally says that he's immortal when the jutsu is active leads me to believe that this is an immensely strong defense. [

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] shows that physical attacks aren't really the best way to when facing Diamond Morph

And while that's true, it should take a lot of chakra to heal something that big. However, like I said, this is more of an assumption rather than a statement.

And I personally don't feel like I'm underestimating her :shrug: The way I see it, Kakuzu has four allies attacking her alongside him, while she can't hurt him due to the Diamond Morph. Even with her out of this world chakra reserves, the damage would stack up over time, while he can attack as he likes. The only way I see him losing is if he goes out of chakra, but seeing as he was able to attack with his elemental attacks multiple times vs Team Kakashi, and again when Naruto came along, I don't see this happening.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

And you're taking Sasuke's word for that ? I go by feats>hype, which clearly showed Gaara's Sand defending him against five CS Susanoo swords at once, while Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage got broken by a chop from the Raikage while standing still.

And where did you get that Tsunade's strength was more powerful then 5 Complete Susanoo swords ? That's merely an assumption.

And where do you get that Kakuzu's defense is weaker than Gaara's ? We've only seen it a few times, but it never failed to defend him, except when faced with Raiton.

C'mon, you're a good debater most of the times, but like 80% of that post was purely assumption based...

That's not completely hype. We all know the Susanoo is an extremely strong defense. The Susanoo is hard, I guess this is why its stronger. But Gaara's sand isn't that hard, it's just sand.

Tsunade was able to BREAK the Complete Susanoo's swords. I hope you remember the scan where she is impaled with two of them.

You are a good debater too, but you used to underrate Tsunade's stamina. In the e war she summoned Katsuyu. She healed from the Heavenly Transfer Technique. She healed Gaara and Onoki and she replenished their chakra. She healed Mei and replenished her chakra. Then she activated her Byakugou. Attacked Madara and shattered his Susanoo two times. Then she tanked a Susanooo sword and three Yasaka Magatama and healed from them.
After this she fought 5 Susanoo clones. She managed to "disarm" two of them, and she knocked down a third one. And again, she healed herself.
After this she still had enough chakra to boost Onoki's jinton. And that jinton was able to destroy 25 (!) complete Susanoo clones.

According to this, her chakra reserves are greater then three Kages together. In this fight she doesn't need to give chakra or heal the others.

 

[Edo Odin]

That's not completely hype. We all know the Susanoo is an extremely strong defense. The Susanoo is hard, I guess this is why its stronger. But Gaara's sand isn't that hard, it's just sand.

Tsunade was able to BREAK the Complete Susanoo's swords. I hope you remember the scan where she is impaled with two of them.

You are a good debater too, but you used to underrate Tsunade's stamina. In the e war she summoned Katsuyu. She healed from the Heavenly Transfer Technique. She healed Gaara and Onoki and she replenished their chakra. She healed Mei and replenished her chakra. Then she activated her Byakugou. Attacked Madara and shattered his Susanoo two times. Then she tanked a Susanooo sword and three Yasaka Magatama and healed from them.
After this she fought 5 Susanoo clones. She managed to "disarm" two of them, and she knocked down a third one. And again, she healed herself.
After this she still had enough chakra to boost Onoki's jinton. And that jinton was able to destroy 25 (!) complete Susanoo clones.

According to this, her chakra reserves are greater then three Kages together. In this fight she doesn't need to give chakra or heal the others.

It kind of is. An Uchiha overrating his own abilities is not exactly uncommon.


And you put up your post making it seem like the power of Tsunade's punches was greater than the ones of the Susanoo clones, when in fact, she managed to break them. I might be able to break a wooden bat with my hands, but that most certainly doesn't mean that my punches are stronger than when someone swings that bat. Much less when there's five bats at once. Either way, I don't really get why Tsunade being able to break a Susanoo sword is a part of this discussion.

And I'm perfectly aware of her chakra reserves. Nonetheless, repeated hits will stack up on anyone, even someone like her.

 

[Chatte]

The name of the attack, and the fact that the databook literally says that he's immortal when the jutsu is active leads me to believe that this is an immensely strong defense. [

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] And the fact that Kakuzu survived without even getting scratched in the slightest, while the ground was completely obliterated [

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Well, well... I already found 2 weaknesses he has against Tsunade.
First of all, he sends chakra throughout the body to strengthen the durability. So, basically, the chakra makes it more durable. Same as Gaara's Sand. Because Gaara's sand is infused with Chakra. That's how he can harden it.
However, see, the thing with Tsunade is that either she can break via her pure strength or, if not, with Chakra Enhanced punch. And as we know, chakra damages chakra, this leading to Kakuzu's defense being lowered.
As well, his weakness is lightning based attacks. Well, we know she can turn her chakra into electricity and send shockwaves that not only will immobilize him, however, how he'll be able to mold chakra properly if the brain, who is the one commanding basically our action, is messed up?
Also, the scan you showed doesn't quite compare with

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What Chouji did there is a piece of cake to Tsunade. His strength can match her's maybe in Butterfly mode, otherwise...it doesn't match-up.

And while that's true, it should take a lot of chakra to heal something that big. However, like I said, this is more of an assumption rather than a statement.

It should, yet, it didn't. It's instant regeneration. She healed and replenished 3 kages, then kept Byakugou on, was impaled 3 times with 3 Susano'o blades from which she instantly regenerated from the first one, while, with the second 2, she fought with her spine torn. After she took those out, while still keeping Byakugou, she facilitated a huge-scale Jinton for Onoiki. And then took 3 Yasaka Magatama. Oh, not to mention that at the beginning she had just went through a Heavenly Transfer from which she healed using Sozo Saisei.
So chakra ins't a problem for her, especially when fighting alone.

And I personally don't feel like I'm underestimating her :shrug: The way I see it, Kakuzu has four allies attacking her alongside him, while she can't hurt him due to the Diamond Morph. Even with her out of this world chakra reserves, the damage would stack up over time, while he can attack as he likes. The only way I see him losing is if he goes out of chakra, but seeing as he was able to attack with his elemental attacks multiple times vs Team Kakashi, and again when Naruto came along, I don't see this happening.

I was saying about her underestimation overall, not just you. People overlook many of her feats.
Four allies... well, she has Katsuyu. If Katsuyu wraps him, she can instantly kill some of his hearts.
Well, Vs team Kakashi, none of those are known to have her strength, neither her stamina.