[VS] Tsunade vs. Hidan

[Zexion~]

"this routine"

Not "this technique"
not "this jutsu"


so saying its pressure damage that kills you is baseless.

well yeah agreed with that

The "routine" was having Hidan distract an opponent while they get hit with Atsugai.....if you think otherwise again you're a moron.

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how far and wide Kakuzu's jutsu cleared behind him lol and he BARELY got there because the was right about to strike the trio when he stopped it lol he didn't intercept ahead. Dear god this is the dumbest I have ever seen anyone post, I thought you were semi-logical before but jesus.


DB states Atsugai deals "Severe Damage" to the target and its surroundings. Idk about you but removing a jacket doesn't sound very severe to me :lol

 

[TheLostShinobi]

The "routine" was having Hidan distract an opponent while they get hit with Atsugai.....if you think otherwise again you're a moron.

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how far and wide Kakuzu's jutsu cleared behind him lol and he BARELY got there because the was right about to strike the trio when he stopped it lol he didn't intercept ahead. Dear god this is the dumbest I have ever seen anyone post, I thought you were semi-logical before but jesus.


DB states Atsugai deals "Severe Damage" to the target and its surroundings. Idk about you but removing a jacket doesn't sound very severe to me :lol

So Tsunade wins yeah?

 

[Zexion~]

So Tsunade wins yeah?

Yup. .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The "routine" was having Hidan distract an opponent while they get hit with Atsugai.....if you think otherwise again you're a moron.

based upon?..... nothing. I can easily say the "routine" is kakazu using Atsugai to make it easier for hidan to land hits and if you think otherwise youre a moron.

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how far and wide Kakuzu's jutsu cleared behind him

you cant even see behind kakazu in that scan -_-

lol and he BARELY got there because the was right about to strike the trio when he stopped it lol he didn't intercept ahead.Dear god this is the dumbest I have ever seen anyone post, I thought you were semi-logical before but jesus.

Conjecture at its finest.

DB states Atsugai deals "Severe Damage" to the target and its surroundings. Idk about you but removing a jacket doesn't sound very severe to me :lol

It also says that it covers a wide range, its extremely hard to anticipate, and knocks down everything its path But according to you:

Despite routine that was to distract kakashi via hidan to make it even harder to anticipate flat out fails.

Despite covering said wide area it misses kakashi entirely.

BUT STILL somehow manages to send kakashi flying into the path of false darkness via trees that aren't even in his vicinity, in order to BARELY(can't stress that enough) block it for the trio, even though its only 2 bolts and Ino isn't anywhere near there. And kakazu with his glaring eyes sees nothing.

Here ill even put on the Zex stamp of approval:

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cuz kakashi's that good that he manages to magaiver around the amazingly incredible techniques (all off panel mind you) that belongs to his god that is kakazu to barely haphazardly save the day. -_- It wont happen again tho. cuz the techniques are sooooooo strong that you need CM2 to survive its wide range and hard anticipation.

As opposed to the much more simpler and practical kakashi got partially hit and doubles back to save shikamaru and choji, since that's all the scans show.

So Tsunade wins yeah?

You're mistaken my friend she cant possibly survive. I have seen the light, the immortal duo is too stronk.


heavy sarcasm

 

[NarutoX28]

I don't understand the argument. Kakashi saw through Kakuzu's jutsu, the jutsu was part of the routine so thus, Kakashi countered Kakuzu' & Hidan's routine. Honestly not sure why this is being discussed since it's clear that Kakashi avoided the attack.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't understand the argument. Kakashi saw through Kakuzu's jutsu, the jutsu was part of the routine so thus, Kakashi countered Kakuzu' & Hidan's routine. Honestly not sure why this is being discussed since it's clear that Kakashi avoided the attack.

yet somehow lost his jacket, headband and was heavily scuffed.

They said he survived the routine, not got away scot free, yet zex over here is saying he dodged it yet didn't dodge it, in order to fulfill his fantasies about how strong the techs are.

He throws the Databook in my face constantly yet somehow hes saying kakashi defied everything that the databook stated by as you state in the bold "avoiding the attack"

an attack that's supposedly covers a wide area, and is hard to anticipate, and had the added benefit of hidan "running distraction"(again zex logic not mine).

we see him come out of it damaged yet youre saying he didn't get hit. I don't follow.

 

[TheLostShinobi]

yet somehow lost his jacket, headband and was heavily scuffed.

They said he survived the routine, not got away scot free, yet zex over here is saying he dodged it yet didn't dodge it, in order to fulfill his fantasies about how strong the techs are.

He throws the Databook in my face constantly yet somehow hes saying kakashi defied everything that the databook stated by as you state in the bold "avoiding the attack"

an attack that's supposedly covers a wide area, and is hard to anticipate, and had the added benefit of hidan "running distraction"(again zex logic not mine).

we see him come out of it damaged yet youre saying he didn't get hit. I don't follow.

Like the anime portrayed, Kakashi blocked the attack for the most part. He was blocking but the wind blew his jacket and headband away.When he showed back up again he was noticeable winded

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Like the anime portrayed, Kakashi blocked the attack for the most part. He was blocking but the wind blew his jacket and headband away.When he showed back up again he was noticeable winded

that's what i said. He got partially hit by it. Been saying it for 2 pages now.

 

[Zexion~]

yet somehow lost his jacket, headband and was heavily scuffed.

They said he survived the routine, not got away scot free, yet zex over here is saying he dodged it yet didn't dodge it, in order to fulfill his fantasies about how strong the techs are.

He throws the Databook in my face constantly yet somehow hes saying kakashi defied everything that the databook stated by as you state in the bold "avoiding the attack"

an attack that's supposedly covers a wide area, and is hard to anticipate, and had the added benefit of hidan "running distraction"(again zex logic not mine).

we see him come out of it damaged yet youre saying he didn't get hit. I don't follow.

You moron, THE ATTACK GENERATES HEAVY WINDS BEHIND IT AS WELL WHICH KAKASHI STILL HAD TO MANEUVER AROUND ONCE HE AVOIDED THE ATTACK. THAT IS WHAT TOOK OFF THE COAT AND CUT HIS CLOTHES (FLYING DEBRIS)

The attack itself increases pressure within the wind which destroys anything caught within it, look up what increased pressure means lol. Kakashi was hit with the extremely strong winds it generates (natural disaster level) not the pressure that kills shinobi.

I don't understand the argument. Kakashi saw through Kakuzu's jutsu, the jutsu was part of the routine so thus, Kakashi countered Kakuzu' & Hidan's routine. Honestly not sure why this is being discussed since it's clear that Kakashi avoided the attack.

This is literally all I'm saying lol that he avoided it AROUND the mask, the only direction he could go without being hit. And towards the area where Gian was fired lol hence why he was already in the area. He's not out running the jutsu that Shikamaru and Chouji couldn't even move from.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You moron, THE ATTACK GENERATES HEAVY WINDS BEHIND IT AS WELL WHICH KAKASHI STILL HAD TO MANEUVER AROUND ONCE HE AVOIDED THE ATTACK. THAT IS WHAT TOOK OFF THE COAT AND CUT HIS CLOTHES (FLYING DEBRIS)

The attack itself increases pressure within the wind which destroys anything caught within it, look up what increased pressure means lol. Kakashi was hit with the extremely strong winds it generates (natural disaster level) not the pressure that kills shinobi.




This is literally all I'm saying lol that he avoided it AROUND the mask, the only direction he could go without being hit. And towards the area where Gian was fired lol hence why he was already in the area. He's not out running the jutsu that Shikamaru and Chouji couldn't even move from.

see the sh!t im talking about. Str8 foolishness.

 

[NarutoX28]

yet somehow lost his jacket, headband and was heavily scuffed.

They said he survived the routine, not got away scot free, yet zex over here is saying he dodged it yet didn't dodge it, in order to fulfill his fantasies about how strong the techs are.

He throws the Databook in my face constantly yet somehow hes saying kakashi defied everything that the databook stated by as you state in the bold "avoiding the attack"

an attack that's supposedly covers a wide area, and is hard to anticipate, and had the added benefit of hidan "running distraction"(again zex logic not mine).

we see him come out of it damaged yet youre saying he didn't get hit. I don't follow.

Likewise, I've read your argument and all you've presented is that we weren't visually shown that Kakashi had escaped the attack, therefore he didn't even though we were given implications that he did. For one, he wasn't battered and bruised which he should have been if he took the attack directly since only Hidan's immortality enabled him to absorb the attack. Secondly, the Sharingan was stated to have seen through Kakuzu's strategy which gives the impression that Kakashi did counter the jutsu.

I'm not sure why you're glancing over the significance of Kakuzu's statement because seeing through the jutsu means nothing if he got blasted by the brunt of the attack anyways. You berate Zexion for contradicting the Databook yet you're contradicting a source potentially even more valuable than the Databook in this situation.

All you have is no feats. Atsugai has no feats, thus Kakashi could've tanked the attack. Kakashi has no on-panel feats of escaping Atsugai therefore he didn't. This is poor argumentation and all you really have.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Likewise, I've read your argument and all you've presented is that we weren't visually shown that Kakashi had escaped the attack, therefore he didn't even though we were given implications that he did. For one, he wasn't battered and bruised which he should have been if he took the attack directly since only Hidan's immortality enabled him to absorb the attack. Secondly, the Sharingan was stated to have seen through Kakuzu's strategy which gives the impression that Kakashi did counter the jutsu.

Except he was battered and bruised. Headband, and Jounin jacket completely gone, scuffs all over his visible body. Reread the entirety of 355.

I'm not sure why you're glancing over the significance of Kakuzu's statement because seeing through the jutsu means nothing if he got blasted by the brunt of the attack anyways. You berate Zexion for contradicting the Databook yet you're contradicting a source potentially even more valuable than the Databook in this situation.

Im the only one here actually paying attention to what he said exactly. Since when did He saw through it= he dodged it entirely? based on what are you making that jump?

All you have is no feats. Atsugai has no feats, thus Kakashi could've tanked the attack. Kakashi has no on-panel feats of escaping Atsugai therefore he didn't. This is poor argumentation and all you really have.

when did i say that?

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nooo. he got hit by it. may have not been fully but he still got hit. Even if we go by your explanation it still puts kakashi behind kakazu.

or, the more logical thing is he got clipped by it along with hidan(as shown), lost his jacket, but still doubled back to block gian, for shikamaru and choji.

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As opposed to the much more simpler and practical kakashi got partially hit and doubles back to save shikamaru and choji, since that's all the scans show.

yet youre saying the opposite. If youre gonna say i said XYZ get if fckin right. Don't put words in my mouth.

You're saying my argument is poor, yet you fail to understand my argument.


We're both debating over what happened off panel.

In his mind kakashi dodged the attack completely yet came out damaged, and was sent flying by non existant residual winds into gian.


In my mind kakashi got hit partially, hence the damage, and doubled back to block gian.

Which one is more logical?

 

[Mellanoma]

None for both (SC1)

Any one who fights Hidan with no intel will surely get the surprise of their life. ESPECIALLY if they use CQC

With that being said I believe Hidan can take Tsunade in this situation.

Realistically why would tsunade activate her byakko if all Hidan will do is a small scratch to draw blood? I believe this will be her end as she will not expect him to finish her from a distance.

Full for Tsunade, None for Hidan (SC2)

Byakko activated she can finish hidan with this as Hidan will definitely lack the intelligence to figure out how to move properly again.

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Further more even if he does draw her blood. Tsunade will never give him enough time to complete his circle. As a matter of fact would there be a solid surface for him to even create it to begin with?

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^^ I know thats Sakura but you get my meaning.


Full for both (SC3)

This fight would be extremely interesting but I will have to favor Tsunade as Hidan simply won't be allowed the time to complete his ritual. His jutsu relies on a surface to draw his symbol and with Tsunade being capable of leveling an entire battlefield he won't be able to complete it properly.

MY Verdict

Tsunade 2 - 1

 

[Zexion~]

Likewise, I've read your argument and all you've presented is that we weren't visually shown that Kakashi had escaped the attack, therefore he didn't even though we were given implications that he did. For one, he wasn't battered and bruised which he should have been if he took the attack directly since only Hidan's immortality enabled him to absorb the attack. Secondly, the Sharingan was stated to have seen through Kakuzu's strategy which gives the impression that Kakashi did counter the jutsu.

I'm not sure why you're glancing over the significance of Kakuzu's statement because seeing through the jutsu means nothing if he got blasted by the brunt of the attack anyways. You berate Zexion for contradicting the Databook yet you're contradicting a source potentially even more valuable than the Databook in this situation.

All you have is no feats. Atsugai has no feats, thus Kakashi could've tanked the attack. Kakashi has no on-panel feats of escaping Atsugai therefore he didn't. This is poor argumentation and all you really have.

Also the fact that I'm presenting logical reasoning for why his clothing was removed (which in reality is his main argument) that much more sense than his whole "Atsugai is tanked by a normal human" lmaooo

 

[Tazzilla88]

None for both (SC1)

Any one who fights Hidan with no intel will surely get the surprise of their life. ESPECIALLY if they use CQC

With that being said I believe Hidan can take Tsunade in this situation.

Realistically why would tsunade activate her byakko if all Hidan will do is a small scratch to draw blood? I believe this will be her end as she will not expect him to finish her from a distance.

Hidan could possibly grab a victory here if he stabs himself in the head. But other fatal wounds likely get tanked long enough for byakugou to be activated after all bisection. And kusunagi.

Without knowledge Hidan is probably not going for his head. And if he likes to be a masochist and drag it out then the jutsu gets countered immediately.

Also, it is unlikely that Tsunade will be giving him a rest to prepare his ritual at any point near the beginning of it. When she was out of shape she chased down Kabuto presumably launching attack after attack. She kept on Madara when possible. She could continually pressure Hidan. And if her taijutsu finds itself to be uneffective, surely she'd quickly use BPD

 

[Mellanoma]

Hidan could possibly grab a victory here if he stabs himself in the head. But other fatal wounds likely get tanked long enough for byakugou to be activated after all bisection. And kusunagi.

Without knowledge Hidan is probably not going for his head. And if he likes to be a masochist and drag it out then the jutsu gets countered immediately.

Also, it is unlikely that Tsunade will be giving him a rest to prepare his ritual at any point near the beginning of it. When she was out of shape she chased down Kabuto presumably launching attack after attack. She kept on Madara when possible. She could continually pressure Hidan. And if her taijutsu finds itself to be uneffective, surely she'd quickly use BPD

You severly underestimating Hidan's CQC abilities.

The guy's agility,durablity and reflexes were crazy.

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He was able to fight Asuma(I much better fighter IMO) while dodging Shikimaru's Shadow Clone webbing. There is no way Tsunade will even touch him based on feats.

He also fought Kakashi and held his own quite well in CQC

Basically what Im saying is once Hidan Marks Tsunade. EVEN if she activates Byakko there is no way she could land a punch on him. He could just run away from her and do a long distance Ritual. Or continue to hack and slash until her Byakko wears out.

Hmmmm thinking on this more Hidan may can go 2-1 XD

 

[ToshiZO]

But isn't she more skilled in close combat than Hidan ?

Nope.

Kakashi and Asuma didn't manage to touch Hidan even once in any CQC exchanges, he was always the one applying the pressure.

Asuma with backup could not touch Hidan when he wanted [

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Asuma is among the most formidable in CQC in Konoha. He was dancing on Kisame.

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Couldn't even do anything with Shikamaru backing him up.

Kakashi even tried going on the offensive, couldn't garner any results. [

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Ofcourse suddenly in this thread Tsunade just became Gai, people acting like she doesn't throw one punch at a time sending her opponent flying meters away. People also acting like Hidan is gonna sit still like he's on a drawing board.

Lmfao not only is she gonna have an insanely hard time even landing blows, if she does land any he recovers from them. It's as simple as that.

Meanwhile he just needs a single drop of blood and he's free to do or go wherever he wants.

Tsunade is tailor made for him. An opponent with no range who has to come in for CQC, fights with blunt force, and doesn't have any special durability to avoid cuts.

 

[Booker]

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Nope.

Kakashi and Asuma didn't manage to touch Hidan even once in any CQC exchanges, he was always the one applying the pressure.

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Asuma is among the most formidable in CQC in Konoha. He was dancing on Kisame.

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Couldn't even do anything with Shikamaru backing him up.

Kakashi even tried going on the offensive, couldn't garner any results. [

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Ofcourse suddenly in this thread Tsunade just became Gai, people acting like she doesn't throw one punch at a time sending her opponent flying meters away. People also acting like Hidan is gonna sit still like he's on a drawing board.

Lmfao not only is she gonna have an insanely hard time even landing blows, if she does land any he recovers from them. It's as simple as that.

Meanwhile he just needs a single drop of blood and he's free to do or go wherever he wants.

Tsunade is tailor made for him. An opponent with no range who has to come in for CQC, fights with blunt force, and doesn't have any special durability to avoid cuts.

You're a Grade-A moron.

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Hidan loses.

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Hidan loses.

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Hidan loses.

You legitimately have to be a moron to suggest that Hidan tanks anything Tsunade dishes out. Hidan is immortal, not invincible. He suffers damage like any other human, only he doesn't die from it. His best durability feat is stabbing himself in the leg. A far cry from being blown to pieces, like Madara or Susano'o above.

Seriously, please make the argument that Hidan is more durable than Susano'o. Say those exact words for me. I'd love something new for my signature.

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Comparison from the same Databook (Third). Tsunade and Hidan have equal speed, and Tsunade has superior Taijutsu. Backed up in her fight with Madara. Meanwhile Hidan couldn't touch Kakashi (far slower and weaker than Madara), even with help from Kakuzu.

Even their legitimate and canon stats suggest Tsunade pastes him in CQC.

Pull your head out of your ass. Hidan is an ass character, and he will always be an ass character. At best, he's an Elite Jonin.

 

[Zexion~]

You're a Grade-A moron.

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Hidan loses.

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Hidan loses.

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Hidan loses.

You legitimately have to be a moron to suggest that Hidan tanks anything Tsunade dishes out. Hidan is immortal, not invincible. He suffers damage like any other human, only he doesn't die from it. His best durability feat is stabbing himself in the leg. A far cry from being blown to pieces, like Madara or Susano'o above.

Seriously, please make the argument that Hidan is more durable than Susano'o. Say those exact words for me. I'd love something new for my signature.

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Comparison from the same Databook (Third). Tsunade and Hidan have equal speed, and Tsunade has superior Taijutsu. Backed up in her fight with Madara. Meanwhile Hidan couldn't touch Kakashi (far slower and weaker than Madara), even with help from Kakuzu.

Even their legitimate and canon stats suggest Tsunade pastes him in CQC.

Pull your head out of your ass. Hidan is an ass character, and he will always be an ass character. At best, he's an Elite Jonin.

I feel like you hate Hidan so much because he reminds you of the bullies you faced in highschool or something lol, someone should not hate on a barely talked about character this much :lol

 

[Booker]

I feel like you hate Hidan so much because he reminds you of the bullies you faced in highschool or something lol, someone should not hate on a barely talked about character this much :lol

Thing is that he's not barely talked about, he's brought up frequentley and whenever he is he's hilariously overrated. Obviously I don't personally have anything againt a manga character, I just dislike seeing him overrated so frequentley. Like I've said before, aside from 3T Kakashi, Hidan is probably the strongest Elite Jonin.