[VS] Tsunade vs Ay

[New Dawn]

Fixed.

I feel like Ay and Tsunade make a good couple. Both are strong and during the fight with Maddy, they had that close bond that no other kages had.

 

[RedRobin]

Yet Tsunade has been portrayed to be able to take him on. But she loses easily here. Yes we are truly pitting characters together based on the manga...

 

[RedRobin]

Did you intentionally ignored the pages before this scan?

Which show what?

 

[New Dawn]

Yet Tsunade has been portrayed to be able to take him on. But she loses easily here. Yes we are truly pitting characters together based on the manga...

Yeah NB is special. They claim Deidara can beat Sasori when it has been portrayed that Sasori is superior. Hidan is S-rank yet people shit on him. They simply have no respect for Kishi's will.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Which show what?

wait my bad, I saw the scan wrong.

 

[Icelerate]

You fucking moron.

OT: Ay shits obviously.

How exactly is he a moron for saying that Tsunade's striking speed is above Minato/KCM Naruto's? Tsunade was able to casually deflect fireballs by swinging her arms, can those two do that? I doubt it. The acceleration of one's arms correlates with the force one puts into their swing divided by the mass of their arm. Unless Tsunade's arm is much heavier than Minato/Naruto's, I don't see how her striking speed isn't superior to theirs. Unless of course, their physical strength is on par with Tsunade which is simply not true when Tsunade in a rusty worn out shape has the feat of swinging a giant metal sword dwarfing her body and impaling Manda's head.

OT: A 50 m starting distance means that Tsunade can summon Katsuyu before she gets blitzed. Once she's on top of Katsuyu, Ay will likely rush up to Tsunade's position but I see Katsuyu's sticky substance slowing Ay down as he climbs Katsuyu. Katsuyu also has the ability to absorb whoever is walking on her and Tsunade can transfer lethal medical ninjutsu into Ay via remote healing technique. Don't see how Ay wins let alone shits.

 

[KidGamer65]

How exactly is he a moron for saying that Tsunade's striking speed is above Minato/KCM Naruto's? Tsunade was able to casually deflect fireballs by swinging her arms, can those two do that? I doubt it. The acceleration of one's arms correlates with the force one puts into their swing divided by the mass of their arm. Unless Tsunade's arm is much heavier than Minato/Naruto's, I don't see how her striking speed isn't superior to theirs. Unless of course, their physical strength is on par with Tsunade which is simply not true when Tsunade in a rusty worn out shape has the feat of swinging a giant metal sword dwarfing her body and impaling Manda's head.

OT: A 50 m starting distance means that Tsunade can summon Katsuyu before she gets blitzed. Once she's on top of Katsuyu, Ay will likely rush up to Tsunade's position but I see Katsuyu's sticky substance slowing Ay down as he climbs Katsuyu. Katsuyu also has the ability to absorb whoever is walking on her and Tsunade can transfer lethal medical ninjutsu into Ay via remote healing technique. Don't see how Ay wins let alone shits.

1. This doesn't explain how Tsunade actually wins.

2. He doesn't need to scale Katsuyu to reach Tsunade. She's on the top, and a sufficient jump is all he needs to reach the top without ever touching Katsuyu's body before hand. All he needs to do is explode off the ground with his Shunshin, but instead of going straight along the ground, he goes up toward Tsunade's position. If she manages to block, the force of the attack will knock her off Katsuyu and then Ay would proceed to beat her in CQC.

 

[RedRobin]

Why is Katsuyu's height always overlooked like I just dont understand.

 

[Icelerate]

1. This doesn't explain how Tsunade actually wins.

My point is you can't call someone a moron for stating a plausible assumption even if they have made many other moronic statements.

2. He doesn't need to scale Katsuyu to reach Tsunade. She's on the top, and a sufficient jump is all he needs to reach the top without ever touching Katsuyu's body before hand. All he needs to do is explode off the ground with his Shunshin, but instead of going straight along the ground, he goes up toward Tsunade's position. If she manages to block, the force of the attack will knock her off Katsuyu and then Ay would proceed to beat her in CQC.

Bad move as Ay won't be able to dodge a punch if he's in midair. Not to mention that the Raikage fights in a rash manner, he'll scale up Katsuyu because that's the most natural way of getting to Tsunade.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. She has the reaction and the striking speed to deal with Ay if he does attempt to blitz her. You need proof for this? go look at all the time hes tried to blitz someone. Minato was able to dodge it via shunshin , you'll claim he has god level reactions.. but you'll be stupid as hell for claiming this. You do not need god level reactions to get out of Ay's path if you have a fast technique that you can activate via mind apparently. And in all of those blitzes, an eye connection was made<<<< In that eye connection Minato and Naruto simply used ftg and shunshin to dodge. TSUNADE does not need to dodge, her striking speed has shown to be above both of theres by a whole lot actually.

2. His strength is vastly inferior, any physical attack can be blocked by Tsunade. So as far as overwhelming Tsunade by Attacks does.. its not happening.

3. Once the blitz is negated she can proceed to use the technique she did on Kabuto. And shall i remind you it does not take that long for to actually do it. In a matter of a second, that Ay even stops in front of her, its done. <<<<< If this is done, its K.O time.


There is no 100% chance of winning argument for Ay.


Striking speed:

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Shizune doesn't notice the hit until shes already past her:

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Gap between Orochimaru and Tsunade:

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Gets hit while looking right at her, and notices her trembling stopped after he was hit:

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Ah then there is the incident where she took Naruto's little toad without anyone noticing.

You fucking moron.

OT: Ay shits obviously.

Feats or shut up dude.

 

[KidGamer65]

My point is you can't call someone a moron for stating a plausible assumption even if they have made many other moronic statements.

Lol, what?

OT: A 50 m starting distance means that Tsunade can summon Katsuyu before she gets blitzed. Once she's on top of Katsuyu, Ay will likely rush up to Tsunade's position but I see Katsuyu's sticky substance slowing Ay down as he climbs Katsuyu. Katsuyu also has the ability to absorb whoever is walking on her and Tsunade can transfer lethal medical ninjutsu into Ay via remote healing technique. Don't see how Ay wins let alone shits.

I'm talking about this. Should've been clear.

Bad move as Ay won't be able to dodge a punch if he's in midair. Not to mention that the Raikage fights in a rash manner, he'll scale up Katsuyu because that's the most natural way of getting to Tsunade.

Since when? The only time he fought rashly was when he fought Sasuke as he was pissed that Sasuke aided in the alleged capture of Killer B. Anyway, this only holds true if he does this from 50m and if he charges at her from the front. He can easily close any distance, and then Shunshin right into her side or her back. She won't react fast enough to block let alone counter attack if he attacks from a close enough range.

 

[Nattana]

Since when? The only time he fought rashly was when he fought Sasuke as he was pissed that Sasuke aided in the alleged capture of Killer B. Anyway, this only holds true if he does this from 50m and if he charges at her from the front. He can easily close any distance, and then Shunshin right into her side or her back. She won't react fast enough to block let alone counter attack if he attacks from a close enough range.

And then what? A isn't stopping Tsunade from summoning Katsuyu and in this specific match-up, it's even better for Tsunade to tank a few hits. A isn't blitzing Tsunade here - not if the slug is blocking some of the possible openings and is a threat herself. And especially not when A knows about Tsunade's Byakugou. A simple, straightforward blitz is the stupidest thing he could do, since a punch isn't gonna do anything and everytime he gets into CQC range, he puts himself in danger.

Ofc A isn't THAT stupid, so he needs to make a compromise between the power of his hits and the time he stays in CQC, so he's not getting hit by Tsunade. And that is where Ranshinshou comes into play. One touch and A is done.

This is a tough match-up, but I honestly see Tsunade winning this. A has no tricks up his sleeve but his speed. I believe Tsunade has enough feats to find at least 1 opening for just a hand touch, until her Byakugou wears off.

 

[Great Master Minato]

1. She has the reaction and the striking speed to deal with Ay if he does attempt to blitz her. You need proof for this? go look at all the time hes tried to blitz someone. Minato was able to dodge it via shunshin , you'll claim he has god level reactions.. but you'll be stupid as hell for claiming this. You do not need god level reactions to get out of Ay's path if you have a fast technique that you can activate via mind apparently. And in all of those blitzes, an eye connection was made<<<< In that eye connection Minato and Naruto simply used ftg and shunshin to dodge. TSUNADE does not need to dodge, her striking speed has shown to be above both of theres by a whole lot actually.

For God's sake dude...you need to react mentally in order to utilize FTG...give FTG to your beloved Tsunade & she still can't dodge a close range blitz from Ay simply because she lacks the reaction to utilize the Jutsu in time & Naruto was able to react physically as well.

Guys but what evidence Tsunade's striking speed is above Minato's/KCM Naruto's? Minato's striking speed was so fast that he blitzed V2 Ay & would've hit him if it wasn't for Killer Bee...I don't see Tsunade exceeding this.

 

[-immortal-]

Only wank from KH Lol


Ay wins low diff.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Lol They all stood there. Tsunade was the only one who reacted.

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That's a poor argument, It was not Raikage's job to counter madara's fire, hence he made no move.

Remember the whole reason Mei was important, because she can counter fire style and it's her job not Raikage's

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[Amaterasu]

Jesus Christ holy shit jesus...

KH are ya damn serious ? Ay blitzes her, he is faster damn.

 

[Icelerate]

Lol, what?

That statement wasn't even aimed at you so I'm not sure why you're still responding to that.

I'm talking about this. Should've been clear.

What exactly are you talking about?

Since when? The only time he fought rashly was when he fought Sasuke as he was pissed that Sasuke aided in the alleged capture of Killer B. Anyway, this only holds true if he does this from 50m and if he charges at her from the front. He can easily close any distance, and then Shunshin right into her side or her back. She won't react fast enough to block let alone counter attack if he attacks from a close enough range.

He fought the same way against Naruto, Minato, Madara and Obito. Ay is all about using his full speed blindly which will be his downfall under my premise. Katsuyu's length and height has to be taken into factor which means Tsunade has around 30 m to react to a leap from Ay. Ay's best speed feat is blitzing Sasuke from point blank range. Sasuke is faster and has better reactions than Tsunade but not to the extent that what caught Sasuke off guard from point blank range will catch Tsunade off guard from 30 m. Also if base Raikage really does have

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, then that actually puts Tsunade on that level of reactions as well considering

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after coming out of lightspeed travel while injurred and without Byakogou.

Guys but what evidence Tsunade's striking speed is above Minato's/KCM Naruto's? Minato's striking speed was so fast that he blitzed V2 Ay & would've hit him if it wasn't for Killer Bee...I don't see Tsunade exceeding this.

Ay was already in motion so he couldn't dodge as the positioning of his body was bad. Even kid Bee was able to swing a tentacle before Minato could strike. Tsunade can deflect fireballs with a swing of her arms. No evidence that Minato can strike nearly as fast as Tsunade, none at all. A boxer who has great muscle strength will have better striking speed than the marathon runner.

 

[Lord Tywin]

1. She has the reaction and the striking speed to deal with Ay if he does attempt to blitz her. You need proof for this? go look at all the time hes tried to blitz someone. Minato was able to dodge it via shunshin , you'll claim he has god level reactions.. but you'll be stupid as hell for claiming this. You do not need god level reactions to get out of Ay's path if you have a fast technique that you can activate via mind apparently. And in all of those blitzes, an eye connection was made<<<< In that eye connection Minato and Naruto simply used ftg and shunshin to dodge. TSUNADE does not need to dodge, her striking speed has shown to be above both of theres by a whole lot actually.

2. His strength is vastly inferior, any physical attack can be blocked by Tsunade. So as far as overwhelming Tsunade by Attacks does.. its not happening.

3. Once the blitz is negated she can proceed to use the technique she did on Kabuto. And shall i remind you it does not take that long for to actually do it. In a matter of a second, that Ay even stops in front of her, its done. <<<<< If this is done, its K.O time.


There is no 100% chance of winning argument for Ay.


Striking speed:

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Shizune doesn't notice the hit until shes already past her:

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Gap between Orochimaru and Tsunade:

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Gets hit while looking right at her, and notices her trembling stopped after he was hit:

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Ah then there is the incident where she took Naruto's little toad without anyone noticing.



Feats or shut up dude.

You realize what you're saying? You're saying that Tsunade's striking speed is like FTG. You're saying that Tsunade can strike faster than Minato can teleport. I need proof regarding Tsunade striking as fast as Minato can teleport.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Ay was already in motion so he couldn't dodge as the positioning of his body was bad. Even kid Bee was able to swing a tentacle before Minato could strike. Tsunade can deflect fireballs with a swing of her arms. No evidence that Minato can strike nearly as fast as Tsunade, none at all. A boxer who has great muscle strength will have better striking speed than the marathon runner.

First of all since when fireballs are fast? Kakashi sidestepped a big fireball like it was child's play...
& Tsunade can deflect fireballs because she doesn't have to worried about her hands getting burned...Minato can do the same thing, hell anyone can do the same thing but they're gonna end up getting their hands burned.

 

[Icelerate]

First of all since when fireballs are fast? Kakashi sidestepped a big fireball like it was child's play...
& Tsunade can deflect fireballs because she doesn't have to worried about her hands getting burned...Minato can do the same thing, hell anyone can do the same thing but they're gonna end up getting their hands burned.

It's not about reacting to a fireball. It's about causing them to disperse. If a fireball is coming your way, you won't be able repel it away. Tsunade's arm swing created a shockwave which was strong enough to repel the fireballs without enhancing them. Putting out a candle by swinging your arms is tough but Tsunade basically did just that to Madara's fireballs.