Tsunade strongest of her generation.

[xxSAGExx]

Village choses - Jiraiya

Jiraiya doesn't NOMINATE.. to be nominated you should be in the village.. Jiraiya who represents the village goes to search for Tsunade.

He then REQUESTS tsunade to be Hokage.. notice being Hokage was never in her interest.


Also the manga storyline doesn't look at "Base" or "SM jiraiya". It only looks at characters. However, Sakura right now is solely trained by Tsunade, and she takes a dump on the start of shippuden Naruto and SAsuke (who were trained by oro and jiraiya).

Also, Yin seal was her new jutsu.. lol.

For the "he said he'll kill her".. Naruto said he'll kick her ass.. then proceeded to get his ass kicked. . Notice jiraiya threatening her had 0 effect on Tsunade.




Oh yup, she contributed more to the war than any other shinobi also.

The way people judge "strongest" is by looking at their "on-screen" feats. However, those don't have much to do with the characters in the storyline.


And what did you think when you actually saw it?

Yet he put her name up for the role and the elders said she would do so Jiraiya pretty much nominated her as no one else did. Also even though Jiraiya isn't duty bound to Konoha anymore, he's still loyal to Konoha as he helped them during the invasion, found them a worthy Hokage, gives them Intel on Akatsuki, protected the villages jinchuuriki, died gaining Intel for Konoha.

Are you really going to compare a Genin level ninja's threat to a Kage level ninja to that of a Kage level threat to another Kage level? Doesn't matter it wasn't her interest, it wasn't Jiraiya's interest either and he was nominated by the elders themselves. Uhhh, no. Beginning Naruto will go 4 tails and kill Sakura as he was enough to threaten both Jiraiya and Orochimaru's lives and Orochimaru was using ninjutsu in that fight. Sasuke is faster than Sakura and his Sharingan reads her movements. She gets close and body chidori blast her back or he easily dodges as he did when she tried to hit him and he can place her under genjutsu if he wants to.

Also for the threatening, when Jiraiya is being serious he doesn't say something he can't back up. If he had doubts of beating her then he would be more causious then threatening her to her face, gaining Intel on Pein was enough to make him doubt his chances enough to send the toad key away and go to Naruto. She's a healer, the best in fact so yes her job was important. While Jiraiya and Orochimaru fought she only healed them, she even gives us enough info when she told Madara the rules all medic ninjas must abide by which is not to fight when they're the only medic ninja for the team unless they have the yin seal healing which she didn't have until after we see her in part 1 since Orochimaru never saw it before that.

Tsunade did react to Jiraiya's threat

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. Tsunade said Hiruzen always intended for Jiraiya to become Hokage but he said it wasn't for him so Hiruzen put Jiraiya as a worthy Hokage than both Orochimaru and Tsunade as she said always and not anything relating to after finding out about Orochimaru's darkness so Orochimaru was actually second choice from what Tsunade said and she was third.

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[KingHashirama]

Okay, so going by your logic, If Naruto, Kakashi and Sasuke were to die right now and somehow Sakura is appointed as Hokage, would that make her the strongest of her gen. I mean, Kishimoto did appoint her as Hokage so I guess she has to be the strongest no?

Dude, cut the shit.

Going by my logic:

- If Sakura becomes Hokage.. Kishimoto will only make her Hokage if she truly is the strongest of her generation. If she is not she won't be Hokage. If she is not the strongest of her generation, then she will not become Hokage.. meaning Kishimoto won't make her Hokage.. know why? Because thats the ironlaw he set up for the title known as "KAGE".


Madara could've became Hokage.. however, only the strongest of his generation did.

Danzo could've been Hokage.. however, only Hiruzen the strongest of his generation did.

It doesn't take a genius, to realize in the manga that the Hokage is teh strongest of his/her generation, and is also the most accomplished out of his or her generation.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Tsunade is the physically strongest, but that's it

 

[KingHashirama]

Obito was stronger than kakashi and now kakashi has no sharingan an argument that 7gated Gai is stronger can also be made.
Also technically Madara was the strongest of his Generation due to becoming the Juubi jin and such.




It was also "Law" that the hokage was the strongest in the village. Yet tsunade wasn't the strongest in the village during her reign




You know that statement hold no weight.

First off The bold, Jiraiya Doesn't know her strength, he hasn't seen her in many years, Nor has she fought in many years. It's impossible for him to know her level.

Secondly, His statement got shat on by her struggling to keep up with Kabuto in CQC, Despite jiraiya stating No one can stand shoulder to shoulder with her, While kabuto did that very thing.




No it's not



No it's not.

If it was based on feats, Kakashi would of became hokage after Jiraiya turned it down. Tsunade was featless for God knows how many years when she was chosen as Hokage..

Hokage is based off many things such as , Who you are, Who your teacher was, Age and so on. We saw this when kakashi's name was brought up for hokage while tsunade was in a coma



Position =/= Power.

False, most of the stuff you just said doesn't even correlate with the stuff i'm saying. Nor does it show that you read the OP completely and understood what i'm saying. So in regards to that let me clear it up. And hopefully you actually read this without your "anti-tsunade" state of mind.

Kakashi > Obito. Obito got his ass whipped when both were on equal grounds and when it came down to skills. Kakashi has always been superior to Obito. Obito was given multiple genetic enhances. That does not put him above Kakashi who is a natural. Plus, the manga doesn't lie :

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- It was never a law the strongest in the village becomes Hokage. Hiruzen wasn't the strongest in the village .. Minato wasn't the strongest in the village.. Kakashi won't be the strongest in the village... So again no it is not a law.

- "she got shat on by Kabuto in CQC" .. of course even if people give you manga reasons.. and tell you the handicap she was in.. not like you'd bother actually acknowledging it right? 1 week of unrest. 20 + years since she fought. Because landing hits for some minutes = shoulder to shoulder? As I recall, she was punking Orochimaru when she got serious.. you know orochimaru, the guy who is superior to Kabuto.. you remember him? *_*



As for your wank over feats.. Already countered in the OP.. Kakashi was a mere child compared to Tsunade. rofl.

 

[Exaar]

Kakashi > Obito. Obito got his ass whipped when both were on equal grounds and when it came down to skills. Kakashi has always been superior to Obito. Obito was given multiple genetic enhances. That does not put him above Kakashi who is a natural. Plus, the manga doesn't lie :

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War arc Obito with Rinnegan + Bijuu + Gedo mazo > Kakashi.

Yes kakashi is no natural he uses a sharingan that doesn't even belong to him. Being Natural or not means nothing when it comes to strength.

- It was never a law the strongest in the village becomes Hokage.

It was even stated in the manga (can't remember when).

While this "Hokages are always the strongest of their generations" stuff your sprouting has never been stated at all.

Your simply following a pattern that happened for the first Four and trying to pass it off for Tsunade and even kakashi.

- "she got shat on by Kabuto in CQC" .. of course even if people give you manga reasons.. and tell you the handicap she was in.. not like you'd bother actually acknowledging it right? 1 week of unrest. 20 + years since she fought.

Bold made me chuckle, You'll find any little excuse.

Anyway, This is where you shoot yourself in the foot over and over again.

20+ Years since she fought, yet you think Jiraiya knows her strength/skills in her current state enough to make such a bold claim?. The fact you accept Kabuto was beating her in CQC because she was rusty proves that Jiraiya's statement has no weight to it to begin with.

As for your wank over feats.. Already countered in the OP.. Kakashi was a mere child compared to Tsunade. rofl.

A Mere child?. Serious what the hell.

He is a 30 Odd year old Man, Who is know and respected Through out the Shinobi world, Who got High praise from both Jiraiya and tsunade as a Given for the hokage title.

if the Title was based on feats, Kakashi would of been chosen over a 20 + Year retired shinobi who was missing and had/wanted nothing to do with the village.

 

[King Of Pop]

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sage jiriaya and oro outclass her.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade was the strongest in Konoha until Naruto surpassed her with the Sage Mode.

 

[KingHashirama]

War arc Obito with Rinnegan + Bijuu + Gedo mazo > Kakashi.

Yes kakashi is no natural he uses a sharingan that doesn't even belong to him. Being Natural or not means nothing when it comes to strength.




It was even stated in the manga (can't remember when).

While this "Hokages are always the strongest of their generations" stuff your sprouting has never been stated at all.

Your simply following a pattern that happened for the first Four and trying to pass it off for Tsunade and even kakashi.




Bold made me chuckle, You'll find any little excuse.

Anyway, This is where you shoot yourself in the foot over and over again.

20+ Years since she fought, yet you think Jiraiya knows her strength/skills in her current state enough to make such a bold claim?. The fact you accept Kabuto was beating her in CQC because she was rusty proves that Jiraiya's statement has no weight to it to begin with.



A Mere child?. Serious what the hell.

He is a 30 Odd year old Man, Who is know and respected Through out the Shinobi world, Who got High praise from both Jiraiya and tsunade as a Given for the hokage title.

if the Title was based on feats, Kakashi would of been chosen over a 20 + Year retired shinobi who was missing and had/wanted nothing to do with the village.

1 12 hours phase =/= a person's true strength. To be considered your "strength" it needs to be in an extended period of time. You can't gain a power up, and then lose it couple minutes later, and then say crap like "ohhh i'm still hte strongest". Plus, DMS Kakashi > Any version of Obito. Kakashi doesn't have the sharingan anymore... Even without it he was still stronger than Obito..


Set up laws are not stated, because they are something the writer uses to set up characters.

She doesn't need to know Jiraiya's strength, it was jiraiya himself who admit inferiority.. Furthermore, that pattern has a base.. which is then carried on to those who will be coming to be Hokage. The fact that you deny that she had 1 week of unrest (only if you knew how bad this affects your body), and then Kabuto added soldier pills to even take her on. <<< Kabuto at that point was stronger than Kakashi. Furthermore, he got few hits.. that doesn't mean he destroyed her. LOGIC has shown over and over.. for people who are trying to get back into fighting.. they won't be "ELITE" form the start.. its common sense.

Kakashi: 26-27

Tsunade = Past 50..

Loll..... yea he was a kid to tsunade mate. And he still is a kid in regards to age.. just not in strength anymore.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru neg diffs her.

 

[xxSAGExx]

False, most of the stuff you just said doesn't even correlate with the stuff i'm saying. Nor does it show that you read the OP completely and understood what i'm saying. So in regards to that let me clear it up. And hopefully you actually read this without your "anti-tsunade" state of mind.

Kakashi > Obito. Obito got his ass whipped when both were on equal grounds and when it came down to skills. Kakashi has always been superior to Obito. Obito was given multiple genetic enhances. That does not put him above Kakashi who is a natural. Plus, the manga doesn't lie :

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- It was never a law the strongest in the village becomes Hokage. Hiruzen wasn't the strongest in the village .. Minato wasn't the strongest in the village.. Kakashi won't be the strongest in the village... So again no it is not a law.

- "she got shat on by Kabuto in CQC" .. of course even if people give you manga reasons.. and tell you the handicap she was in.. not like you'd bother actually acknowledging it right? 1 week of unrest. 20 + years since she fought. Because landing hits for some minutes = shoulder to shoulder? As I recall, she was punking Orochimaru when she got serious.. you know orochimaru, the guy who is superior to Kabuto.. you remember him? *_*



As for your wank over feats.. Already countered in the OP.. Kakashi was a mere child compared to Tsunade. rofl.

Noooo lol Obito>Kakashi. Have you not notice Obito controlling 6 Bijuus which he said was really hard to do then after that he fought against Naruto, Kakashi, Bee, and Gai for a good long time using a ton of chakra, then he summons Gedo Mezo, put up a barrier to start the Juubi revival, then controlling the Juubi while using powerful katon jutsus on the alliance. Obito did all of this while receiving injuries such as Naruto's Rasengan getting Kamui and hitting Obito and getting a Rasengan to his mask/face. Kakashi was actually beaten by Obito already but he didn't kill Kakashi, he only put him in Kamui's dimension then he was going to kill Kakashi again until Naruto saved Kakashi.

Kakashi got his stamina replenished when Kurama gave Kakashi more chakra and threw him in Obito's Kamui. Then Sakura heals Kakashi as soon as she comes then Naruto gives Kakashi and the alliance a large amount of chakra and Kakashi had the cloak until Obito warped him but Sakura's slug already said the size deminishes but it's still there and Kakashi didn't use all of the chakra so he was fighting Obito with Kurama's chakra. No shape or form is Kakashi stronger than Obito when you look at these facts.

Naruto said in recent chapters before actually fighting Sasuke that Hokage isn't chosen by strength but by the people

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. The Kage is usually chosen from the current generation when possible, if they were the strongest in the village or not was more based on that ninja's skills. Hashirama was the strongest in the village and after he died and Madara left Konoha Tobirama was the strongest in the village as Izuna was equal to Madara and Tobirama killed him when he was that strong. Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in his prime and was even said to be the strongest of the 5 Kages as an old man. Minato was highly praised for his skills and smart and when Orochimaru threatened Konoha, Anko who was Orochimaru student wished for Minato to be there to stop Orochimaru and no one we saw in the village was stronger than Minato.

Tsunade generation should have been Hokage before Minato's but Jiraiya didn't want the job and Orochimaru turned out to be evil. They all left Konoha for their own reasons but if they all stayed and Orochimaru was good then he would have been the Hokage of the 3 since Jiraiya doesn't want too and that would of had Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, and Minato in Konoha which would make Obito's attempt really really a foolish decision since Jiraiya and Hiruzen most likely would be apart of Kushina's security dealt since Minato was like a son to Jiraiya and Hiruzen's wife was there.

 

[Zealotic]

You guys should have stopped arguing with this dude when he said:

Hashirama = strongest of his
Tobirama = strongest of his
Hiruzen = strongest of his
Minato = strongest of his
Kakashi = strongest of his (no gai is not stronger than Kakashi, except if he uses the 8th gate, which is basically calling for his own death)

Bish whet?

Even after An Awesome Senju tried to put some logic in this retarded thread :

Damn. Quit flaming my boy KingHashirama. .

All he is saying is Tsunade is technically number one since she is the Hokage, and she is in charge of Naruto.

Take president Obama. Pretty sure a lot of people could kick his ass, but he's still number one in the country because he's in charge.

He replies with :

no what i mean is, she is the strongest of her generation.

Meaning Tsunade > those from her generation.

wtf?!? Do you actually read naruto?

 

[KingHashirama]

You guys should have stopped arguing with this dude when he said:

Hashirama = strongest of his
Tobirama = strongest of his
Hiruzen = strongest of his
Minato = strongest of his
Kakashi = strongest of his (no gai is not stronger than Kakashi, except if he uses the 8th gate, which is basically calling for his own death)

Bish whet?

Even after An Awesome Senju tried to put some logic in this retarded thread :

Damn. Quit flaming my boy KingHashirama. .

All he is saying is Tsunade is technically number one since she is the Hokage, and she is in charge of Naruto.

Take president Obama. Pretty sure a lot of people could kick his ass, but he's still number one in the country because he's in charge.

He replies with :

no what i mean is, she is the strongest of her generation.

Meaning Tsunade > those from her generation.

wtf?!? Do you actually read naruto?

are you hurt? .

Noooo lol Obito>Kakashi. Have you not notice Obito controlling 6 Bijuus which he said was really hard to do then after that he fought against Naruto, Kakashi, Bee, and Gai for a good long time using a ton of chakra, then he summons Gedo Mezo, put up a barrier to start the Juubi revival, then controlling the Juubi while using powerful katon jutsus on the alliance. Obito did all of this while receiving injuries such as Naruto's Rasengan getting Kamui and hitting Obito and getting a Rasengan to his mask/face. Kakashi was actually beaten by Obito already but he didn't kill Kakashi, he only put him in Kamui's dimension then he was going to kill Kakashi again until Naruto saved Kakashi.

Kakashi got his stamina replenished when Kurama gave Kakashi more chakra and threw him in Obito's Kamui. Then Sakura heals Kakashi as soon as she comes then Naruto gives Kakashi and the alliance a large amount of chakra and Kakashi had the cloak until Obito warped him but Sakura's slug already said the size deminishes but it's still there and Kakashi didn't use all of the chakra so he was fighting Obito with Kurama's chakra. No shape or form is Kakashi stronger than Obito when you look at these facts.

Naruto said in recent chapters before actually fighting Sasuke that Hokage isn't chosen by strength but by the people

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. The Kage is usually chosen from the current generation when possible, if they were the strongest in the village or not was more based on that ninja's skills. Hashirama was the strongest in the village and after he died and Madara left Konoha Tobirama was the strongest in the village as Izuna was equal to Madara and Tobirama killed him when he was that strong. Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in his prime and was even said to be the strongest of the 5 Kages as an old man. Minato was highly praised for his skills and smart and when Orochimaru threatened Konoha, Anko who was Orochimaru student wished for Minato to be there to stop Orochimaru and no one we saw in the village was stronger than Minato.

Tsunade generation should have been Hokage before Minato's but Jiraiya didn't want the job and Orochimaru turned out to be evil. They all left Konoha for their own reasons but if they all stayed and Orochimaru was good then he would have been the Hokage of the 3 since Jiraiya doesn't want too and that would of had Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, and Minato in Konoha which would make Obito's attempt really really a foolish decision since Jiraiya and Hiruzen most likely would be apart of Kushina's security dealt since Minato was like a son to Jiraiya and Hiruzen's wife was there.

DMS Kakashi > Any version of Obito.... . If you wanna play that game. Furthermore, hopefully you know the "1vs1" they had was to settle the difference between who is the stronger one..

Did i say what the hokage is chosen by? . Please do tell me..... where did I say the hokage is chosen just because of strength? I never stated that. I never added the opinions of other characters as to why they pick the Hokage. What I stated was according to the Law of "KAGE" Kage is the strongest of that generation. What Naruto said is irrelevant..


And Jiraiya was on his journies.. Tsunade had left the village 20 + years ago.. why would Tsunade or jiraiya be mentioned? Again you completly ignore Tsunade didn't care about the village for more than 20 + years.


And notice, i never denied Jiraiya and oro turned it down.. I stated them asking Tsunade to be Hokage was unreasonable..... why would they? When she was inthe village, she wanted Dan to be Hokage.. and once Dan died.. she left the village.

 

[Zealotic]

are you hurt? .

Your stupidity has slightly rustled me so yes

 

[KingHashirama]

Your stupidity has slightly rustled me so yes

Just means you are more of an idiot, than your post originally suggested.

 

[Zealotic]

Just means you are more of an idiot, than your post originally suggested.

That makes no sense read the manga before you post in naruto discussion plz

 

[raziel777]

Again people bringing in this retarded BS about "feats".. Look I DON'T CARE.. shes shown feats in the manga that other characters know.



It doesn't matter what events led her to be Hokage.. rofl. Fact of the matter is she was made Hokage, by the same guy who wrote the manga as Hokage being the s trongest of the generation. Come on dude, you don't have to be a genius to get this..



"need to stop wanking"..

Look dude if someone presents you a manga fact.. that does not mean he/she is wanking. I already told you I made the thread because i was annoyed with the retarded ass logics people use..

And just like this thread has proven.. those people still don't try to understand.. instead keep on talking about their personal preference.




@Bold, oh lets see.

- Didn't want to be Hokage
- Was rooting for other people to be Hokage
- Left the village, when the others were considered to be Hokage
- Jiraiya and Oro were Hiruzen's "loyal " students.. Tsunade on the other hand was not much a "loyal student"



Hashirama = strongest of his
Tobirama = strongest of his
Hiruzen = strongest of his
Minato = strongest of his
Kakashi = strongest of his (no gai is not stronger than Kakashi, except if he uses the 8th gate, which is basically calling for his own death)


^^^^^ Counter that, and we can talk.

Otherwise, idiotic post is an idiotic post.

I expected a reply along these lines. You are only good at telling people how idiotic they are. Did you counter anything I said in my post ? Tsunade is not stronger than Jiraiya or Orochimaru.

She has no hopes of defeating Jman, deny it as much as you want, that wont make it any less true.

About your logic... Trends are not meant to broken, huh ? Because you know, everything stays the same, forever.

Tsunade wasn't even the elders' first choice. Nor was she Hiruzen's.

btw, calling people names and being generally demeaning just make you come out as an ass. Ironic huh ? I just called you an ass. Oops, did it again.

 

[KrystalTsuki]

Orochimaru was the strongest but people didn't trust him.
So Jiraya was chosen as Hokage but he didn't accept the role.
So Tsunade happened.
I still think she's cool and amazing and strong and everything and I like her a lot but she's not the stronger of the Sannin.

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

Orochimaru was the strongest but people didn't trust him.
So Jiraya was chosen as Hokage but he didn't accept the role.
So Tsunade happened.
I still think she's cool and amazing and strong and everything and I like her a lot but she's not the stronger of the Sannin.

I agree with this. (The reason I am saying Orochimaru is the strongest, Jiraya has never succeeded to take him down and at one point it took Tsunade and Jiraya to just get this guy serious). And, Jiraya is probably > Tsunade

 

[Beans2]

Tsunade was the strongest in Konoha until Naruto surpassed her with the Sage Mode.

Gai, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Choza, Danzo, etc the list goes on.

 

[Gein]

Do you truly believe Tsunade comes anywhere close to Master Jiraiya?