Tsunade strongest of her generation.

[spade3dg]

1. Because she was supporting DAn.. and then left the village when Orochimaru was considered. Furthermore, if orochimaru was considered did he become Hokage? no..... so him being "considered" is irrelevant to the fact he never became hokage.

2. what is the point? the point is if you wanna play the "they were asked first" card.. then someone else can play the "they were only asked because she wasn't in the village" card.


3. If one of those 3 players, continues to speak out against what we are doing, and then leaves the team.. i wouldn't even consider that player to be the captain.. You tell me.. would you pick someone who left the team to be the captain ?



So if she had said no, that would've meant shes their equal?

Furthermore, "being asked first".. was already countered in the OP.. no clue why you brought it up as an argument.. Did you fail to not understand a simple concept, that if someone who never wanted to be Hokage, and was supporting others to be Hokage, and then leaves the village for 20 + years is never going to be asked..

Yet you guys think its smart of you to keep on repeating the samething over and over, and act as if Tsunade wanted to be Hokage.

Hashirama wanted Madara to be hokage.. he was his choice, should i now say Madara was the stronger one, because he got asked before Hashirama?

My base was the person who IS HOKAGE is the strongest of their generation.

"Danzo was considered to be Hokage" also.. however, he was never made a Hokage.. why? Because only the strongest of that generation becomes Hokage.. Nor did i say this was how they elect hokage in the manga.. I stated this is the law kishimoto set up in the manga.

Just as Final villain = Strongest villain.

- She left the village, because her loved ones died


^^^^^^ Now show me where i said she left the village because of some other crap? .. show me the "shit" i'm making up ......

- wasn't in the village when oro was considered
- wasn't in the village when jiraiya was considered
- when she was int he village, she was helping Dan become Hokage

AGain, that right there makes the whole "were asked before her" irrelevant. If we were talking about Jiraiya and orochimaru (the 2 who were oro's favorites, and stayed in the village)... you might have a good argument with that crap..

You said she left the village when oro was considered. You have no argument.
Tsunade was made hokage because the strongest in her generation was evil. Second didnt want it.

2nd bold. Kishi made a lot of LAWS and followed through on none.
Gaaras defense was also unbreakable before.
Madara was unbeatable before.
Hashis power was like a fairy tail before. Yet I seem to recall him saying Juubito was more powerful.

 

[KingHashirama]

That is simply such a naive thing to say. If you really believe that, than i just wasted my time writing a response earlier.

I see you are new to shonen mangas.. well then.

Final villain of the series = Strongest villain = Kaguya (Nagato<Obito< Madara< Kaguya) <<< i'm probably naive for believing that also

Hokage = strongest of the generation = all the ones before Tsunade are clear examples, and the 2 becoming Hokage after tsunade are clear examples <<<<<< i'm probably naive for believing that also.

naive : showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.

You said she left the village when oro was considered. You have no argument.
Tsunade was made hokage because the strongest in her generation was evil. Second didnt want it.

2nd bold. Kishi made a lot of LAWS and followed through on none.
Gaaras defense was also unbreakable before.
Madara was unbeatable before.
Hashis power was like a fairy tail before. Yet I seem to recall him saying Juubito was more powerful.

Ah i mistyped the sentence wrong. Well i clarfied it to you.. and plus you can go read the OP.. which says the samething.. she wasn't in the village when oro and jiraiya were considered.


Mention all the laws kishimoto made and didn't follow through.

" Madara was unbeatable".. something he said in interview to get people to start reading = law that has been set up by him over 80 + years of in-manga history?

"gaaras defense is unbreakable" = exaggaration he put in a databook.

"Hashirama power was like fairy tail" = because everyone make Forests that cover multiple mountains. And everyone has the chakra reserves near that of kyuubi. And everyone can make a jutsu that makes the kyuubi look like a rat. And also, notice Kabuto stated "just like the sage of the 6 paths".. guess what? "juubito had the power of that sage of 6 paths.

^^^ Notice these are character statements, and databook statements.. They are not a law.

law: a statement of an order or relation of phenomena that so far as is known is invariable under the given conditions

 

[LeSauce]

They offered oro when she wasn't in the village...... ROFL....

Again, what you are talking about is countered in the OP.... i'm not gonna repeat myself against something you guys have been saying for over 5 years +.

Tsunade was never chosen. Even when she was made Hokage she wasn't "chosen". She was requested.

chosen: having been selected as the best or most appropriate.

requested: Ask for.



HOWEVER I NEVER MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT "THE PEOPLE ONLY PICK THE STRONGEST IN THE VILLAGE".... rofll.. i never stated that.

My point was whoever is made hokage (by kishimoto. Not in manga characters) is the strongest of his/her generation.

She was in the village while they were wasn't she? Why wasn't she asked if she was so good? She's been there for years and they were all adults. There was no remorse that she left and they couldn't ask her like there was for Orochimaru being crazy. Hiruzen didn't think of making her Hokage, not even a thought in his mind, yet she was the strongest?

It's settling, do you not understand that? She wasn't the first to be requested/asked/chosen whatever you want to call it.

Aren't you arguing that Tsunade is the strongest because she was chosen to be Hokage?

I'm done.

 

[KingHashirama]

She was in the village while they were wasn't she? She wasn't she asked if she was so good? She's been there for years and they were all adults. There was no remorse that she left and they couldn't ask her like there was for Orochimaru being crazy. Hiruzen didn't think of making her Hokage, not even a thought in his mind, yet she was the strongest.

It's settling, do you not understand that? She wasn't the first to be requested/asked/chosen whatever you want to call it.

Aren't you arguing that Tsunade is the strongest because she was chosen to be Hokage?

she was out of the village while Hiruzen was still Hokage. "there was no remorse that she left", did you see the part where she left? because i don't recall kishimoto showing that to us. There was also no remorse when Jiraiya left for his journies.. Show me the remorse for orochimaru...


Notice i don't care about character's feelings.. rofl. people in the manga and fans of the manga can think 3-eyed madara was the strongest villain.. However fact of the matter would be Kaguya is the strongest villain, because she was the last villain.


And no, i'm not arguing that Tsunade is the strongest because she was chosen to be Hokage. Because she was never chosen. They do not look at "generations" when selecting Hokage.. this was never part of my argument.

What i stated was: Those who are Hokage, are the strongest of their generation, because thats who kishimoto had it set up.

 

[spade3dg]

she was out of the village while Hiruzen was still Hokage. "there was no remorse that she left", did you see the part where she left? because i don't recall kishimoto showing that to us. There was also no remorse when Jiraiya left for his journies.. Show me the remorse for orochimaru...


Notice i don't care about character's feelings.. rofl. people in the manga and fans of the manga can think 3-eyed madara was the strongest villain.. However fact of the matter would be Kaguya is the strongest villain, because she was the last villain.


And no, i'm not arguing that Tsunade is the strongest because she was chosen to be Hokage. Because she was never chosen. They do not look at "generations" when selecting Hokage.. this was never part of my argument.

What i stated was: Those who are Hokage, are the strongest of their generation, because thats who kishimoto had it set up.

But you know that its false since she isnt the strongest of her gen. Youre just prolonging a bland thread on a bland character. This is my last comment on your threads. Adios bruh

 

[KingHashirama]

But you know that its false since she isnt the strongest of her gen. Youre just prolonging a bland thread on a bland character. This is my last comment on your threads. Adios bruh

That sure is a good way of getting out a discussion, where you got countered bad ;p.

Adioss

 

[KingHashirama]

@lesauce, thanks for the discussion bro. If you reply i will reply to you tomorow morning ok. Thanks everyone.

 

[YellowFang]

Considering Jiraiya didn't count himself and Orochimaru [weakened after the invasion] among those who can't stand up to her...
She was probably the strongest in the Fire country, so it's only logical that she was worthiest of being Hokage...

She might be the most accomplished but strongest means capable of defeating anyone which she wasn't...

 

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[Airbourne41]

I honestly came to this thread thinking it was a troll

 

[NinjaMunster]

I love all three of the sannin but i do feel like Tsunade does get craped on the most for not being able to beat Orochimaru or Jiraiya, but i personally think that they are almost equal yet there are areas where they are not equal
And you can also mention that she was one of the reason Konoha won the second shinobe world war

 

[Mad Daz]

While Tsunade is certainly underrated, I do not think she is the strongest of her generation. Perhaps most accomplished is a better word.

 

[xxSAGExx]

The village didn't go to her to be Hokage, Jiraiya nominated her because he didn't want to be Hokage and he was already self tasked with spying on Akatsuki and Orochimaru as well. The village went to Jiraiya for Hokage and Tsunade even said Hiruzen always wanted Jiraiya to be Hokage as well when they were talking before he went to Rain village. Tsunade had a strong desire to change the village by improving the medical system their and encouraging each team have at least 1 medic ninja which she tried to get Hiruzen to do but they were in war and lacked the funds and time.

When Jiraiya died Naruto said Jiraiya should have been Hokage so that's the elders, Tsunade, and Naruto all saying Jiraiya should have been Hokage. Jiraiya seen strong enough by Itachi for him to say if he and Kisame fought Jiraiya then all 3 of them would be seriously hurt or killed even if they had more backup. Jiraiya proved he can fight multiple strong opponents when he fought 1 Pein then 3 then all 6 while killing 4 in total before dying and being praised by Nagato that if Jiraiya knew of his secret then he would have won. We still haven't seen Jiraiya and Orochimaru full on fight, Jiraiya was more trying to figure out Pein secrets while Orochimaru could use ninjutsus against the 4 tails but he didn't use jutsus we suspect him might having because he wasn't 100% and he himself said the 4 tails tbb was unavoidable death. Also Jiraiya out right told Tsunade in part 1 that if she's planning on betraying Konoha then he'll kill her so in a serious conflict he is confident in his ability to take her out if need be.

I would put Jiraiya as the strongest with his SM while base Jiraiya and Orochimaru being equals since both shown to be very strong, neither have really gone all out. Tsunade said she grown rusty over the years in part 1 so I don't see her learning anything new but Yin seal and she would have gotten more in shape while training Sakura but Jiraiya and Orochimaru were in positions of needing to be in shape over the years plus were training their own students themselves who were stronger than Sakura before and after overall.

 

[KingHashirama]

The village didn't go to her to be Hokage, Jiraiya nominated her because he didn't want to be Hokage and he was already self tasked with spying on Akatsuki and Orochimaru as well. The village went to Jiraiya for Hokage and Tsunade even said Hiruzen always wanted Jiraiya to be Hokage as well when they were talking before he went to Rain village. Tsunade had a strong desire to change the village by improving the medical system their and encouraging each team have at least 1 medic ninja which she tried to get Hiruzen to do but they were in war and lacked the funds and time.

When Jiraiya died Naruto said Jiraiya should have been Hokage so that's the elders, Tsunade, and Naruto all saying Jiraiya should have been Hokage. Jiraiya seen strong enough by Itachi for him to say if he and Kisame fought Jiraiya then all 3 of them would be seriously hurt or killed even if they had more backup. Jiraiya proved he can fight multiple strong opponents when he fought 1 Pein then 3 then all 6 while killing 4 in total before dying and being praised by Nagato that if Jiraiya knew of his secret then he would have won. We still haven't seen Jiraiya and Orochimaru full on fight, Jiraiya was more trying to figure out Pein secrets while Orochimaru could use ninjutsus against the 4 tails but he didn't use jutsus we suspect him might having because he wasn't 100% and he himself said the 4 tails tbb was unavoidable death. Also Jiraiya out right told Tsunade in part 1 that if she's planning on betraying Konoha then he'll kill her so in a serious conflict he is confident in his ability to take her out if need be.

I would put Jiraiya as the strongest with his SM while base Jiraiya and Orochimaru being equals since both shown to be very strong, neither have really gone all out. Tsunade said she grown rusty over the years in part 1 so I don't see her learning anything new but Yin seal and she would have gotten more in shape while training Sakura but Jiraiya and Orochimaru were in positions of needing to be in shape over the years plus were training their own students themselves who were stronger than Sakura before and after overall.

Village choses - Jiraiya

Jiraiya doesn't NOMINATE.. to be nominated you should be in the village.. Jiraiya who represents the village goes to search for Tsunade.

He then REQUESTS tsunade to be Hokage.. notice being Hokage was never in her interest.


Also the manga storyline doesn't look at "Base" or "SM jiraiya". It only looks at characters. However, Sakura right now is solely trained by Tsunade, and she takes a dump on the start of shippuden Naruto and SAsuke (who were trained by oro and jiraiya).

Also, Yin seal was her new jutsu.. lol.

For the "he said he'll kill her".. Naruto said he'll kick her ass.. then proceeded to get his ass kicked. . Notice jiraiya threatening her had 0 effect on Tsunade.

I love all three of the sannin but i do feel like Tsunade does get craped on the most for not being able to beat Orochimaru or Jiraiya, but i personally think that they are almost equal yet there are areas where they are not equal
And you can also mention that she was one of the reason Konoha won the second shinobe world war

Oh yup, she contributed more to the war than any other shinobi also.

The way people judge "strongest" is by looking at their "on-screen" feats. However, those don't have much to do with the characters in the storyline.

I honestly came to this thread thinking it was a troll

And what did you think when you actually saw it?

 

[FemmeFatale]

She would be , but something went wrong. The death of her team mates caused her to quit being a ninja. I think Jiraya is....but then again it is a deadlock between the three

 

[HiddenSound]

Thread should be called "NB Shits on KH's Biased Opinion" xD

 

[KingHashirama]

Thread should be called "NB Shits on KH's Biased Opinion" xD

Despite the fact, none of the stuff i stated in the OP is any form of "Biased opinion". But follows a number of stuff that exists in the manga.

I do know what a biased opinion is tho.. and thats wanking characters without even countering the argument presented. When someone actually destroys my argument.. you should come wank on them then. Otherwise you just look like an idiot trying to kiss up to a group.

 

[HiddenSound]

Despite the fact, none of the stuff i stated in the OP is any form of "Biased opinion". But follows a number of stuff that exists in the manga.

I do know what a biased opinion is tho.. and thats wanking characters without even countering the argument presented. When someone actually destroys my argument.. you should come wank on them then. Otherwise you just look like an idiot trying to kiss up to a group.

I think you think I'm taking this thread seriously. I'm not Lol

 

[Exaar]

Every single Hokage has been the strongest of his/her generation.

Hashirama = strongest of his
Tobirama = strongest of his
Hiruzen = strongest of his
Minato = strongest of his
Kakashi = strongest of his (no gai is not stronger than Kakashi, except if he uses the 8th gate, which is basically calling for his own death)

Obito was stronger than kakashi and now kakashi has no sharingan an argument that 7gated Gai is stronger can also be made.
Also technically Madara was the strongest of his Generation due to becoming the Juubi jin and such.

(If you wanna demote this law in the manga, i would suggest using this and trying to prove this wrong. Instead of saying trying to pull in some other hype that has no logical connection to this. )

It was also "Law" that the hokage was the strongest in the village. Yet tsunade wasn't the strongest in the village during her reign

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Jiraiya has already admit inferiority to TSunade when it comes to combat... I don't get why people think its fine to completely ignore it, when it comes to talking about in-manga .

So if Jiraiya with knowing his power admits that hes inferior to her in regards to battle.. then why do fans keep on trying to make him above her? .. Oh waitt, because he has more on screen "feats"..

You know that statement hold no weight.

First off The bold, Jiraiya Doesn't know her strength, he hasn't seen her in many years, Nor has she fought in many years. It's impossible for him to know her level.

Secondly, His statement got shat on by her struggling to keep up with Kabuto in CQC, Despite jiraiya stating No one can stand shoulder to shoulder with her, While kabuto did that very thing.

And her title of Hokage is a proof to that.

No it's not

Hokage title is gained through feats

No it's not.

If it was based on feats, Kakashi would of became hokage after Jiraiya turned it down. Tsunade was featless for God knows how many years when she was chosen as Hokage..

Hokage is based off many things such as , Who you are, Who your teacher was, Age and so on. We saw this when kakashi's name was brought up for hokage while tsunade was in a coma

THIS IS NOT ABOUT VS THREADS, OR SOME OUT OF THE MANGA RANKINGS... THIS IS ABOUT HER POSITION IN THE MANGA ITSELF. WHITHIN THE STORYLINE.

Position =/= Power.

 

[Dannie]

My point was whoever is made hokage (by kishimoto. Not in manga characters) is the strongest of his/her generation.

Okay, so going by your logic, If Naruto, Kakashi and Sasuke were to die right now and somehow Sakura is appointed as Hokage, would that make her the strongest of her gen. I mean, Kishimoto did appoint her as Hokage so I guess she has to be the strongest no?

Dude, cut the shit.