Tsunade strongest of her generation.

[TheAncientCenturion]

Leadership skills might be so, but she's far from the best in terms of combat.

 

[KingHashirama]

What are you talking about? They always try to choose the strongest, they tried to choose Kakashi first anyway. Orochimaru didn't become Hokage because if his carziness.

Orochimaru was first, then Jiraiya, who didn't want the title either, and then Tsunade. She was the last resort between them.

You kind of prove that Orochimaru was the strongest by showing how the other Hokages were the strongest of their generation, bar Minato since everyone wanted Orochimaru to be Hokage.

By showing that you prove that they choose the strongest to be the leaders first, Orochimaru was the first to be chosen, meaning that he was picked first because they thought he was the strongest.

And it doesn't matter that he wasn't chosen in the end because the reason they didn't has nothing to do with power.

Anyway, I hope you underatand what i'm saying because i'm typing sloppy.

What you fail to tell me is this:

1. Why are you considering Tsunade part of the Hokage race? Only 2 original candidates that were cosnidered for Hokage were Hiruzen's favorite 2 boys, Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Tsunade had been a rebel since the start.

2. Tsunade never wanted to be Hokage.. Orochimaru actually did. Why Tsunade be considered for Hokage, when she was always supporting other people to be Hokage?

3. " They always pick the strongest to be Hokage".. See here is the thing.. its not about "who was going to be hokage".. its about who IS hokage..

Leadership skills might be so, but she's far from the best in terms of combat.

Battle = shinobi combat prowess = none of them are on shoulder to shoulder with her.

Don't see how she is "far from the best".. when she was a 1 man team against the Gokage.. while the others were paired up for attacks.

 

[spade3dg]

What you fail to tell me is this:

1. Why are you considering Tsunade part of the Hokage race? Only 2 original candidates that were cosnidered for Hokage were Hiruzen's favorite 2 boys, Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Tsunade had been a rebel since the start.

2. Tsunade never wanted to be Hokage.. Orochimaru actually did. Why Tsunade be considered for Hokage, when she was always supporting other people to be Hokage?

3. " They always pick the strongest to be Hokage".. See here is the thing.. its not about "who was going to be hokage".. its about who IS hokage..



Battle = shinobi combat prowess = none of them are on shoulder to shoulder with her.

Don't see how she is "far from the best".. when she was a 1 man team against the Gokage.. while the others were paired up for attacks.

They dont always pick the strongest to be Hokage kakashi was arguably stronger than Danzo yet Danzo wouldve been chosen.

Sm Naruto was the strongest in his village yet Kakashi and Danzo were considered to be hokage. Strength doesnt mean anything.

Tsunade is not the strongest of her generation. Oro and Jiraiya are stronger. Until you use logic proving otherwise then just give up.

You wont convince anybody here my brother.

 

[LeSauce]

What you fail to tell me is this:

1. Why are you considering Tsunade part of the Hokage race? Only 2 original candidates that were cosnidered for Hokage were Hiruzen's favorite 2 boys, Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Tsunade had been a rebel since the start.

2. Tsunade never wanted to be Hokage.. Orochimaru actually did. Why Tsunade be considered for Hokage, when she was always supporting other people to be Hokage?

3. " They always pick the strongest to be Hokage".. See here is the thing.. its not about "who was going to be hokage".. its about who IS hokage..

1. Since when was she a rebel? I'll give you Orochimaru being the favorite, but that was only because of his genius. Again, proving his abilities.
2. Jiraiya didin't want to be Hokage either, yet they still chose him before her, neither did Kakashi, yet they still chose him. It doesn't matter if you want to be it or not, they'll offer you the position if they think you can do it.
3. Tsunade was only a Hokage because the ones before her rejected the position. Had they not, she would have never even had the position. It's like settling for fourth best, if we include Minato.

 

[KingHashirama]

They dont always pick the strongest to be Hokage kakashi was arguably stronger than Danzo yet Danzo wouldve been chosen.

Sm Naruto was the strongest in his village yet Kakashi and Danzo were considered to be hokage. Strength doesnt mean anything.

Tsunade is not the strongest of her generation. Oro and Jiraiya are stronger. Until you use logic proving otherwise then just give up.

You wont convince anybody here my brother.

Here is the thing, i never talked about "them picking the strongest".. I said the person who made Tsunade Hokage , the writer of the manga, is also the person who set up the "hokage = strongest of the generation"

@bold, none of them are from the same generation.


@ 2nd Bold, but you haven't countered the ironlaw.. lol. All you have said is "tsunade has less flashier feats and less impressive ninjutsu, and hence shes the weakest".. Yet you fail to give me a counter if she poisons jiraiya in combot.. how does jiraiya counter?

But if "anybody" can't even counter the logic and the law used to declare tsunade as the strongest of her generation.. why don't they be convinced? Because nobody likes Tsunade/Sakura....

1. Since when was she a rebel? I'll give you Orochimaru being the favorite, but that was only because of his genius. Again, proving his abilities.
2. Jiraiya didin't want to be Hokage either, yet they still chose him before her, neither did Kakashi, yet they still chose him. It doesn't matter if you want to be it or not, they'll offer you the position if they think you can do it.
3. Tsunade was only a Hokage because the ones before her rejected the position. Had they not, she would have never even had the position. It's like settling for fourth best, if we include Minato.

1. Genius proves his potential. Oro = genius, Tsunade = monster at that same age. And neji was a genius also.. look where that got him. Shikamaru is also a genius.. Lee is also a genius..

2. Jiraiya declined hokageship when he was asked. And he wasn't asked to be Hokage before , unless it was him who requested Minato to be Hokage over him. And also, you do know No one in the village had seen Tsunade over 20 + years?

 

[Murasame]

For you 2014 members who haven't seen much of KH this is what he is capable of and worse. When it comes to Tsunade, Sakura, or Senju he has some bias.. not fully but he does... so when it comes down to debating things like this, most likely than not you'll just get annoyed and nothing will change. Don't waste your time.

ot: Tsunade has her chances against the other two Sannin but I put them winning more than she does.

 

[spade3dg]

Here is the thing, i never talked about "them picking the strongest".. I said the person who made Tsunade Hokage , the writer of the manga, is also the person who set up the "hokage = strongest of the generation"

@bold, none of them are from the same generation.


@ 2nd Bold, but you haven't countered the ironlaw.. lol. All you have said is "tsunade has less flashier feats and less impressive ninjutsu, and hence shes the weakest".. Yet you fail to give me a counter if she poisons jiraiya in combot.. how does jiraiya counter?

But if "anybody" can't even counter the logic and the law used to declare tsunade as the strongest of her generation.. why don't they be convinced? Because nobody likes Tsunade/Sakura....

Now youre just saying stupid stuff and contradicting yourself. They dont pick hokage by generation. They pick by who fulfills the requirements for the job.

Why Tsunade was chosen? Not because she was the strongest of her generation. Because the strongest tried to destroy the village. The second strongest didnt want it. The third strongest didnt want it either but after meeting with the first and second strongest she took it.

Kishi has retconned a lot in the manga. It was said the hokage was the strongest leader out of all kage too. Onoki negs Tsunade.

You just want to think nobody likes them and youre using that to prove a false point. Tsunade wasnt chosen because of strength. Proven by one simple fact.


She wasnt the first choice

 

[spade3dg]

For you 2014 members who haven't seen much of KH this is what he is capable of and worse. When it comes to Tsunade, Sakura, or Senju he has some bias.. not fully but he does... so when it comes down to debating things like this, most likely than not you'll just get annoyed and nothing will change. Don't waste your time.

ot: Tsunade has her chances against the other two Sannin but I put them winning more than she does.

Agreed. He takes them personal so dont get offended or annoyed.

 

[KingHashirama]

For you 2014 members who haven't seen much of KH this is what he is capable of and worse. When it comes to Tsunade, Sakura, or Senju he has some bias.. not fully but he does... so when it comes down to debating things like this, most likely than not you'll just get annoyed and nothing will change. Don't waste your time.

ot: Tsunade has her chances against the other two Sannin but I put them winning more than she does.

Before you talk about change. Did you change?

Don't expect others to change , when you haven't changed either. I know i have changed. I went from considering Jiraiya to be the strongest, to now believing Tsunade is the strongest. I have changed.

Change is a 2-way road.

Now youre just saying stupid stuff and contradicting yourself. They dont pick hokage by generation. They pick by who fulfills the requirements for the job.

Why Tsunade was chosen? Not because she was the strongest of her generation. Because the strongest tried to destroy the village. The second strongest didnt want it. The third strongest didnt want it either but after meeting with the first and second strongest she took it.

Kishi has retconned a lot in the manga. It was said the hokage was the strongest leader out of all kage too. Onoki negs Tsunade.

You just want to think nobody likes them and youre using that to prove a false point. Tsunade wasnt chosen because of strength. Proven by one simple fact.


She wasnt the first choice

Show me where i mentioned "people look for the strongest and make them hokage".. I never mentioned that.. no clue why you keep bringing this in.


Why was a person who never wanted to be Hokage, and left the village 20 + years ago chosen as Hokage? Well firstly, she was never "chosen".. her being Hokage was never even considered, because of the fact. NO ONE KNEW WHERE SHE WAS.....

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- show me who can counter her poison.

^^ you can't even provide an argument against that.

And show me the stuff kishimoto retconned.. He didn't retcon anything.

Kakashi will be the strongest of his generation to be Hokage

Naruto will be the strongest of his generation..

Now i ask how did he retconned this?

 

[LeSauce]

Here is the thing, i never talked about "them picking the strongest".. I said the person who made Tsunade Hokage , the writer of the manga, is also the person who set up the "hokage = strongest of the generation"

@bold, none of them are from the same generation.


@ 2nd Bold, but you haven't countered the ironlaw.. lol. All you have said is "tsunade has less flashier feats and less impressive ninjutsu, and hence shes the weakest".. Yet you fail to give me a counter if she poisons jiraiya in combot.. how does jiraiya counter?

But if "anybody" can't even counter the logic and the law used to declare tsunade as the strongest of her generation.. why don't they be convinced? Because nobody likes Tsunade/Sakura....


1. Genius proves his potential. Oro = genius, Tsunade = monster at that same age. And neji was a genius also.. look where that got him. Shikamaru is also a genius.. Lee is also a genius..

2. Jiraiya declined hokageship when he was asked. And he wasn't asked to be Hokage before , unless it was him who requested Minato to be Hokage over him. And also, you do know No one in the village had seen Tsunade over 20 + years?

1. Yet they didn't really care to offer Tsunade the spot like they did Orochimaru.
2. What's the point of this? They still asked others to do it before her. When they needed her to do it because the ones they really wanted declined, they sent to search for her, which is settling.

Think of it this way, if you have three players to pick for your team, aren't you going to pick the most skilled first? After he declines you ask the second best don't you? It's only after those 2 decline that you go after the third.

 

[spade3dg]

Before you talk about change. Did you change?

Don't expect others to change , when you haven't changed either. I know i have changed. I went from considering Jiraiya to be the strongest, to now believing Tsunade is the strongest. I have changed.

Change is a 2-way road.



Show me where i mentioned "people look for the strongest and make them hokage".. I never mentioned that.. no clue why you keep bringing this in.


Why was a person who never wanted to be Hokage, and left the village 20 + years ago chosen as Hokage? Well firstly, she was never "chosen".. her being Hokage was never even considered, because of the fact. NO ONE KNEW WHERE SHE WAS.....

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You keep skipping over the part that ends this thread lol.

Tsunade was chosen, because other people didnt want the job. Jiraiya turned it down. Even if she had stayed Jiraiya wouldve been chosen.

Tsunade wasnt chosen. She was the second choice. Jiraiya also wasnt in the village all of the time.

They didnt know where she was and they didnt care. Hell wven the 3 elders that worked with Danzo said she was suited for the position. Shizune ,her right hand even thought that.

Tsunade isnt the strongest of her gen.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Yet they didn't really care to offer Tsunade the spot like they did Orochimaru.
2. What's the point of this? They still asked others to do it before her. When they needed her to do it because the ones they really wanted declined, they sent to search for her, which is settling.

Think of it this way, if you have three players to pick for your team, aren't you going to pick the most skilled first? After he declines you ask the second best don't you? It's only after those 2 decline that you go after the third.

1. Because she was supporting DAn.. and then left the village when Orochimaru was considered. Furthermore, if orochimaru was considered did he become Hokage? no..... so him being "considered" is irrelevant to the fact he never became hokage.

2. what is the point? the point is if you wanna play the "they were asked first" card.. then someone else can play the "they were only asked because she wasn't in the village" card.


3. If one of those 3 players, continues to speak out against what we are doing, and then leaves the team.. i wouldn't even consider that player to be the captain.. You tell me.. would you pick someone who left the team to be the captain ?

You keep skipping over the part that ends this thread lol.

Tsunade was chosen, because other people didnt want the job. Jiraiya turned it down. Even if she had stayed Jiraiya wouldve been chosen.

Tsunade wasnt chosen. She was the second choice. Jiraiya also wasnt in the village all of the time.

They didnt know where she was and they didnt care. Hell wven the 3 elders that worked with Danzo said she was suited for the position. Shizune ,her right hand even thought that.

Tsunade isnt the strongest of her gen.

So if she had said no, that would've meant shes their equal?

Furthermore, "being asked first".. was already countered in the OP.. no clue why you brought it up as an argument.. Did you fail to not understand a simple concept, that if someone who never wanted to be Hokage, and was supporting others to be Hokage, and then leaves the village for 20 + years is never going to be asked..

Yet you guys think its smart of you to keep on repeating the samething over and over, and act as if Tsunade wanted to be Hokage.

Hashirama wanted Madara to be hokage.. he was his choice, should i now say Madara was the stronger one, because he got asked before Hashirama?

My base was the person who IS HOKAGE is the strongest of their generation.

"Danzo was considered to be Hokage" also.. however, he was never made a Hokage.. why? Because only the strongest of that generation becomes Hokage.. Nor did i say this was how they elect hokage in the manga.. I stated this is the law kishimoto set up in the manga.

Just as Final villain = Strongest villain.

 

[spade3dg]

1. Because she was supporting DAn.. and then left the village when Orochimaru was considered. Furthermore, if orochimaru was considered did he become Hokage? no..... so him being "considered" is irrelevant to the fact he never became hokage.

2. what is the point? the point is if you wanna play the "they were asked first" card.. then someone else can play the "they were only asked because she wasn't in the village" card.


3. If one of those 3 players, continues to speak out against what we are doing, and then leaves the team.. i wouldn't even consider that player to be the captain.. You tell me.. would you pick someone who left the team to be the captain ?

She left the village because Dan and her bro died. She felt responsible because of Hashis necklace. Youre just making up shit now smh. This thread is dead. She wasnt the strongest in her generation. Its been proven.

 

[KingHashirama]

She left the village because Dan and her bro died. She felt responsible because of Hashis necklace. Youre just making up shit now smh. This thread is dead. She wasnt the strongest in her generation. Its been proven.

- She left the village, because her loved ones died


^^^^^^ Now show me where i said she left the village because of some other crap? .. show me the "shit" i'm making up ......

- wasn't in the village when oro was considered
- wasn't in the village when jiraiya was considered
- when she was int he village, she was helping Dan become Hokage

AGain, that right there makes the whole "were asked before her" irrelevant. If we were talking about Jiraiya and orochimaru (the 2 who were oro's favorites, and stayed in the village)... you might have a good argument with that crap..

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

OP, you just went full retard, never go full retard, man.

 

[KingHashirama]

OP, you just went full retard, never go full retard, man.

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[LeSauce]

1. Because she was supporting DAn.. and then left the village when Orochimaru was considered. Furthermore, if orochimaru was considered did he become Hokage? no..... so him being "considered" is irrelevant to the fact he never became hokage.

2. what is the point? the point is if you wanna play the "they were asked first" card.. then someone else can play the "they were only asked because she wasn't in the village" card.


3. If one of those 3 players, continues to speak out against what we are doing, and then leaves the team.. i wouldn't even consider that player to be the captain.. You tell me.. would you pick someone who left the team to be the captain ?

It doesn't matter if she was supoorting Dan because if she was the best person for the position they would have still offered her the job, instead they offered Orochimaru.

Orochimaru being the first to be considered means that he was the strongest of them. This make Tsunade leaving irrelevant because whule she was still there they chose Orochimaru over her.

And him not becoming Hokage doesn't matter because the reason he wasn't chosen has nothing to do with strength, which is what you're arguing. It's like me saying that the less skilled person is more skilled than the most skilled person because the latter is batshit crazy.

 

[Ambivalence]

Yeah, i don't think so. Orochimaru and Jiraiya are stronger, especially Orochimaru. No poison works on him, strength is irrelevant since he pretty much took on 4-tailed Naruto, got sliced in half and brushed it off, not to mention we haven't ever seen him go all out. I'd like to see Tsunade do something about Eight Branches. Thus far he has only been beaten by Genjutsu and Fuinjutsu. He's also much smarter than her.

SM Jiraiya is hardly debatable as well. Tsunade was never a speedster, Jiraiya's reflexes and Taijutsi are better thanks to SM, she can always get owned with the frog song, or Jiraiya can just decapitate her, if needed. Again, he is also smarter than her.

Tsunade is just an above average Senju, not everyone has to be like Hashirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

It doesn't matter if she was supoorting Dan because if she was the best person for the position they would have still offered her the job, instead they offered Orochimaru.

Orochimaru being the first to be considered means that he was the strongest of them. This make Tsunade leaving irrelevant because whule she was still there they chose Orochimaru over her.

And him not becoming Hokage doesn't matter because the reason he wasn't chosen has nothing to do with strength, which is what you're arguing. It's like me saying that the less skilled person is more skilled than the most skilled person because the latter is batshit crazy.

They offered oro when she wasn't in the village...... ROFL....

Again, what you are talking about is countered in the OP.... i'm not gonna repeat myself against something you guys have been saying for over 5 years +.

Tsunade was never chosen. Even when she was made Hokage she wasn't "chosen". She was requested.

chosen: having been selected as the best or most appropriate.

requested: Ask for.



HOWEVER I NEVER MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT "THE PEOPLE ONLY PICK THE STRONGEST IN THE VILLAGE".... rofll.. i never stated that.

My point was whoever is made hokage (by kishimoto. Not in manga characters) is the strongest of his/her generation.

 

[Ambivalence]

My point was whoever is made hokage (by kishimoto. Not in manga characters) is the strongest of his/her generation.

That is simply such a naive thing to say. If you really believe that, than i just wasted my time writing a response earlier.