Tsunade, Shizune and Sakura vs Hiashi

[Murasame]

Of course, i completely understand that you believe that way!! And I support you!
But we are in debate here, and you provided your opinion to support your point (in your earlier posts), and that is not valid to me.

This is not about me liking or disliking events of the manga, it's about managing true and canonical information when you are debating with someone, and I wanted to know if that was actually canon because i ignored that completely.

This was our conversation:

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And now you replyed...

I never tried to offend you, I think we are having a misunderstanding here...

*sigh* You still don't seem to get it.

Me:Well I'm sure enough that he was in below 17-18 years of age when it happened because in part 1 he was listed to be that age.
You:That doesn't make your opinion a fact, sorry, has nothing to do with it.

Again I'm just saying that he wasn't 17 or 18 I don't get where you believe thats me trying to use that as a conclusion as to why I believed I was right.

I'm not having a misunderstanding.. it is you since you have been making repeated mistakes of saying things that I didn't say.

Oh and thanks for trying to tell me what a debate is.. gee I never ever knew about it!! (obvious sarcasm)
Like I said I was tired of looking up the info when you could've easily found it yourself.. there's more evidence plus with what Waltz said to support that Itachi was 11-13 maybe 14 when he defeated Orochimaru. Like I said don't believe it? Thats fine with me.

edit: anyways stop replying if you don't get what I'm trying to say I tire myself repeating things

 

[Keimil]

*sigh* You still don't seem to get it.

Me:Well I'm sure enough that he was in below 17-18 years of age when it happened because in part 1 he was listed to be that age.
You:That doesn't make your opinion a fact, sorry, has nothing to do with it.

Again I'm just saying that he wasn't 17 or 18 I don't get where you believe thats me trying to use that as a conclusion as to why I believed I was right.

I'm not having a misunderstanding.. it is you since you have been making repeated mistakes of saying things that I didn't say.

@Bold Because that's what we were debating about, you were stating that you were sure about Itachi being 13 when he defeated Orochimaru, and you were incapable of giving some evidence. And when i demanded for some you came up with that comment... just that...

Oh and thanks for trying to tell me what a debate is.. gee I never ever knew about it!! (obvious sarcasm)
Like I said I was tired of looking up the info when you could've easily found it yourself.. there's more evidence plus with what Waltz said to support that Itachi was 11-13 maybe 14 when he defeated Orochimaru. Like I said don't believe it? Thats fine with me.

That's ok, I didn't understand much of that evidence, you have to admit that there is a lot of inconsistencies and time gaps... There is a post of Waltz i didn't fully understand, and the translation make me even more confused... But if it is a fact, just know that i will be more than happy to swallow my pride and accept it.

 

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team one wins but only because its three against one none of them can solo hiashi

 

[-Spoiler-]

uhhh no. Neji can never be hokage because he's branch family - basically a slave. So there's nothing suggest main family even allow their member, or any hyuuga members in general to be in any position of leadership outside that of the clan. Considering the

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and all for clan stuff.

this hinata and the branch family are the only ones that even participate in regular shinobi activities. the main family is isolated from the politics of the rest of the village.

 

[Murasame]

@Bold Because that's what we were debating about, you were stating that you were sure about Itachi being 13 when he defeated Orochimaru, and you were incapable of giving some evidence. And when i demanded for some you came up with that comment... just that...

Holy freaking crap dude. You're really starting to irritate me.. I'm beginning to think you lack comprehension either that or you're trying to get on my nerves purposely.
I didn't use that as my freaking conclusion or evidence to prove that he was 13. I mentioned that to let you know that Itachi for sure wasn't 17-18 when he beat Orochimaru. Whats so hard to get about that huh?

That's ok, I didn't understand much of that evidence, you have to admit that there is a lot of inconsistencies and time gaps... There is a post of Waltz i didn't fully understand, and the translation make me even more confused... But if it is a fact, just know that i will be more than happy to swallow my pride and accept it.

Yes there is inconsistency but evidence supports more than not that Itachi defeated him at the young age of 10-14.
You don't have to believe it thats up to you but I will.

Also don't reply to me we're done here.

 

[Waltz]

It makes sense if Itachi had both Obito and Hiruzen fooled.

Itachi at 4 [

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Itachi at 8 masters the Sharingan and becomes a chunin at 10 [

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Itachi at 12-13 sought out Obito [

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Orochimaru left Akatsuki 10 years prior to Shippuden [when Itachi was 11] after his confrontation with Itachi [

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At that time Obito was not an actual member of Akatsuki but was behind the scene. It's entirely plausible for Itachi to have Joined Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. The only way to be certain is deduct whether or not Orochimaru was still apart of Akatsuki during the Massacre. Kabuto is 24 in Part 2 while Itachi is 21 giving a 3 year difference.

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It correlates that Itachi was 18 in part 1 and Kabuto was 20-21 years old. Now if Itachi massacred the clan at 13 it would make Kabuto 16 at the time, which is prior part 1 but when Orochimaru met Kabuto Danzo already had Shisui's eye and his modified arm [

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] meaning that it may have been directly after the Massacre. Orochimaru had already left the Akatsuki and was seeking to establish his village [

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]. Then a time skip leading us into parts 1-2 [

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] Kabuto wasn't with Orochimaru while he was apart of Akatsuki.


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[Keimil]

Holy freaking crap dude. You're really starting to irritate me.. I'm beginning to think you lack comprehension either that or you're trying to get on my nerves purposely.
I didn't use that as my freaking conclusion or evidence to prove that he was 13. I mentioned that to let you know that Itachi for sure wasn't 17-18 when he beat Orochimaru. Whats so hard to get about that huh?

Ok, i already knew that fact, that didn't provided anything to what we were discussing...
@Bold I am no psychic, you replied with that information, i was just letting you know it didn't changed anything...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Naruto and Sasuke were not that close, look at the bottom panel, they didn't flew away like the Mini-Juubis did when she reached the ground...
I still don't see that giant Mini-Juubi in the scan, probably approached her after the attack or maybe the average sized monsters gather up and turned into that, I certainly don't know, you should send a letter to Kishi, I am not him, you are free to think whatever you want about stuff that are not implied in the manga.

PD: Also, if you look here you would see in the center-bottom panel some average-sized mini-juubis dead in the floor:

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And behind there are another huge ones, unharmed. The ones that couldn't be seen before Sakura's jutsu impacted. Maybe the Anime will clear this up.

I know that they weren't in the aoe of the second punch cuz they would have went flying as well. But they were in the aoe of the first one as the clone clearly goes in between them.
In that scan I only see two juubi clones. One that got the drop on sakura and one that looks like it's getting up.

 

[Keimil]

I know that they weren't in the aoe of the second punch cuz they would have went flying as well. But they were in the aoe of the first one as the clone clearly goes in between them.
In that scan I only see two juubi clones. One that got the drop on sakura and one that looks like it's getting up.

Oh you meant the first one, the first punch only damaged the target and the ones that the target crashed in his way, and that's why it didn't damaged Naruto and Sasuke, because it went right between them.
Maybe it was getting up, It's not clear to me, there are no movement effects, and the rocks and the dust make it harder to realize.

It makes sense if Itachi had both Obito and Hiruzen fooled.

Itachi at 4 [

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Itachi at 8 masters the Sharingan and becomes a chunin at 10 [

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]

Itachi at 12-13 sought out Obito [

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]

Orochimaru left Akatsuki 10 years prior to Shippuden [when Itachi was 11] after his confrontation with Itachi [

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]

At that time Obito was not an actual member of Akatsuki but was behind the scene. It's entirely plausible for Itachi to have Joined Akatsuki prior to the Massacre. The only way to be certain is deduct whether or not Orochimaru was still apart of Akatsuki during the Massacre. Kabuto is 24 in Part 2 while Itachi is 21 giving a 3 year difference.

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It correlates that Itachi was 18 in part 1 and Kabuto was 20-21 years old. Now if Itachi massacred the clan at 13 it would make Kabuto 16 at the time, which is prior part 1 but when Orochimaru met Kabuto Danzo already had Shisui's eye and his modified arm [

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] meaning that it may have been directly after the Massacre. Orochimaru had already left the Akatsuki and was seeking to establish his village [

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]. Then a time skip leading us into parts 1-2 [

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] Kabuto wasn't with Orochimaru while he was apart of Akatsuki.


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@Bold And why would he work with Danzou and the Root after leaving Akatsuki?

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I don't think Danzou would work with him after that....

 

[Draegod]

Thread always ends up about Itachi-sama! When will you peasants learn. smh

 

[miromiro]

uhhh no. Neji can never be hokage because he's branch family - basically a slave. So there's nothing suggest main family even allow their member, or any hyuuga members in general to be in any position of leadership outside that of the clan. Considering the

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and all for clan stuff.

Even so, there was no mention of a Hyuuga being Hokage. The branch families and main families have all about the same power.

 

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Even so, there was no mention of a Hyuuga being Hokage. The branch families and main families have all about the same power.

no the branch family dont even get to the learn the main family techniques, neji learnt them by mere observation, the branch family serve one purpose to protect the main family and the main family doesnt take part in regular ninja activities.

 

[miromiro]

no the branch family dont even get to the learn the main family techniques, neji learnt them by mere observation, the branch family serve one purpose to protect the main family and the main family doesnt take part in regular ninja activities.

That automatically means that the main families are more powerful than the branch, in which case that main family members can be chosen as Hokage if they are indeed the strongest of the village.

 

[Optimistic]

Itachi is so godly that he's mentioned in other Vs threads.

 

[-Sky-]

Debating over Itachi , they are . Unable to read the title of a thread , they are .

Spite thread , this is . Wins , team 1 does .

 

[Murasame]

Debating over Itachi , they are . Unable to read the title of a thread , they are .

Spite thread , this is . Wins , team 1 does .

It was a pointless thread anyways.

 

[-Sky-]

It was a pointless thread anyways.

Agreed .

 

[KingHashirama]

no the branch family dont even get to the learn the main family techniques, neji learnt them by mere observation, the branch family serve one purpose to protect the main family and the main family doesnt take part in regular ninja activities.

Hiashi is a Jounin though.. rofl.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

All threads come back to itachi.