Tsunade & Sakura VS. The Sound 5.

[KingHashirama]

Jinton is Kekkei Tōta.​

Ah ty for the correction a KKT. forgot about the 3 element and 2 element difference X_X.

 

[NSUNSR]

Ah ty for the correction a KKT. forgot about the 3 element and 2 element difference X_X.

KKT is a lot stronger than the KKG. It is an important difference.

 

[RedRobin]

Jinton is Kekkei Tōta.​

Are you serious...

You must be registered for see images

Then why don't some people have feet or hands?​

Exactly why is that?

 

[Strict]

Alright. Let's say if Tsunade for some reason raises her arm and Oonoki creates a small Jinton lance to cut Tsunade in half but slips on a banana skin and thus only cuts her hand, then she regenerates of course.

 

[Bantos]

Then please DR. tells us why we cant regrow limbs?

Because only things a normal human person is able to regenerate is his liver(only once) and his finger tips if cut before the first joint.

Can't recall why other parts don't regenerate but that's how it is.

 

[KingHashirama]

Alright. Let's say if Tsunade for some reason raises her arm and Oonoki creates a small Jinton lance to cut Tsunade in half but slips on a banana skin and thus only cuts her hand, then she regenerates of course.

Again, the question was can she tank Jinton.. the KKT.. I said yes.... Just like she can tank Mokuton.. Susano.. ok <<< Not my fault size wan't mentioned.

KKT is a lot stronger than the KKG. It is an important difference.

Sadly, no Mokuton is the strongest out of the KKT/KKG abilities.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Again, the question was can she tank Jinton.. the KKT.. I said yes.... Just like she can tank Mokuton.. Susano.. ok <<< Not my fault size wan't mentioned.



Sadly, no Mokuton is the strongest out of the KKT/KKG abilities.

jinton destroyed madaras flower world

 

[Rιver]

Exactly why is that?

Jesus Christ...

:|

In short, because the cells mature to a point where they lack the capacity to regrow.​

 

[RedRobin]

Jesus Christ...

:|​

You keep replying but with no answer. Since I have no idea on biology then why cant us humans not regrow limbs?

 

[RedRobin]

Jesus Christ...

:|

In short, because the cells mature to a point where they lack the capacity to regrow.​

Exactly and Tsunade completely bypasses that rule by activating that cell division.

 

[KingHashirama]

jinton destroyed madaras flower world

. it hardly destroyed a small area..

The size of tree world:

You must be registered for see images

Even the biggest jinton.. couldn't destroy the complete Tree world

You must be registered for see images

 

[Rιver]

You keep replying but with no answer. Since I have no idea on biology then why cant us humans not regrow limbs?

It'd take a page. Just read this...

:|

Spoiler

Remember, there are four tissue types involved in the process:

Epithelial cells by far would have the highest regenerative capacity, but remember, in a burn, if you lose the basal level, skin won't regrow. That's where the stem cells are, so people who have lost that level require grafting. Without skin, the arm would be a huge liability to the organism, as it would provide an easy route for infection.

Next, there's connective tissue. Ignoring all of the other types present, we'll focus on bone. The long bones of the arms and legs develop via endochondral formation, where the "growth plates" are made of a cartilage matrix that expands and slowly calcifies. The chondrocytes die and are replaced by osteoblasts as we mature, leaving us with bones. Bones can be repaired, but not regrown.

Muscles are also going to be a pain. Skeletal muscle does have some regenerative capacity, it is limited. Hypertrophy of the cells is the normal response to working out, meaning that the existing cells grow. Hyperplasia, the act of cellular replication, is usually not a good thing in the case of muscle, but would be required for regrowth.

Nervous tissue, which would allow the arm/leg to have any function, is the least regenerative. There is some evidence of nervous stem cells coming to light, but they clearly have a very limited capacity to work, considering the permanence of brain damage and paralysis. Even if you could grow the bone, skin, and muscle, without the nerves, what's the point?

As each of these tissue types matures during embryogenesis, they lose the capacity to revert to a less mature state. What we refer to as "adult stem cells" are cells with the ability to replicate, but only within the cell line that they have chosen. They can't proceed backwards to pleuripotent embryonic stem cells under normal conditions. There has been experimentation with reverting cells ex vivo that has shown some success, but this is mostly being researched for things such as regenerating heart muscle or nerves (things without regenerative capacity). So is it possible that we may progress to where we can regenerate limbs in medical practice? Maybe. But it's nowhere near a reality, seeing as we are still struggling with regenerating one tissue, let alone synchronizing the development of all of the tissues in a limb.

And all of this is not to mention the risks with reverting our cells to stem cells. Keep in mind that a reversal to a less mature state is one of the hallmarks of cancer, meaning that minor errors on a genetic level could predispose the patient to cancer, and the more we have to do, the more likely we will be to make that little mistake. (Our cells make mistakes in replication on their own about 1/1,000,000 times.) While it may seem a worthwhile endeavor at the time to give a person their arm back, giving them malignant cancer that kills them before the limb can even fully grow would make the whole thing moot.

​

 

[Strict]

Jinton is associated with the power to destroy any material on a mollecular level. That's why Tsunade isn't tanking Jinton.

 

[KingHashirama]

Jinton is associated with the power to destroy any material on a mollecular level. That's why Tsunade isn't tanking Jinton.

So if her arm is cut off , in your opinion she isn't regenerating it? it?

 

[paratise]

Then please DR. tells us why we cant regrow limbs?

"rien ne se crée, rien ne disparaît tout se transforme"

 

[Strict]

So if her arm is cut off , in your opinion she isn't regenerating it? it?

She is. But it's hardly believable that a Jinton user will ever use a Jinton technique which serves only for cutting an arm. Jinton technique usually obliterate the whole body.

 

[KingHashirama]

OT: Tsunade and Sakura take this low-diff dependent on if they choose to go all out. Mid-diff if they wanna toy around.

With that said i'm out of this thread.

She is. But it's hardly believable that a Jinton user will ever use a Jinton technique which serves only for cutting an arm. Jinton technique usually obliterate the whole body.

Sure if we talk about a specific technique she can't tank it. However, if only a small part then she can. My reference was only to the ability of jinton, not a specific technique. X_X just a big misunderstanding i guess.

Jinton isn't the only thing I had a problem with this misunderstanding xD. I said she tanks Mokuton.. someone was trying to counter that by bringing up the buddha. X_X.

 

[RedRobin]

It'd take a page. Just read this...

:|

Spoiler

Remember, there are four tissue types involved in the process:

Epithelial cells by far would have the highest regenerative capacity, but remember, in a burn, if you lose the basal level, skin won't regrow. That's where the stem cells are, so people who have lost that level require grafting. Without skin, the arm would be a huge liability to the organism, as it would provide an easy route for infection.

Next, there's connective tissue. Ignoring all of the other types present, we'll focus on bone. The long bones of the arms and legs develop via endochondral formation, where the "growth plates" are made of a cartilage matrix that expands and slowly calcifies. The chondrocytes die and are replaced by osteoblasts as we mature, leaving us with bones. Bones can be repaired, but not regrown.

Muscles are also going to be a pain. Skeletal muscle does have some regenerative capacity, it is limited. Hypertrophy of the cells is the normal response to working out, meaning that the existing cells grow. Hyperplasia, the act of cellular replication, is usually not a good thing in the case of muscle, but would be required for regrowth.

Nervous tissue, which would allow the arm/leg to have any function, is the least regenerative. There is some evidence of nervous stem cells coming to light, but they clearly have a very limited capacity to work, considering the permanence of brain damage and paralysis. Even if you could grow the bone, skin, and muscle, without the nerves, what's the point?

As each of these tissue types matures during embryogenesis, they lose the capacity to revert to a less mature state. What we refer to as "adult stem cells" are cells with the ability to replicate, but only within the cell line that they have chosen. They can't proceed backwards to pleuripotent embryonic stem cells under normal conditions. There has been experimentation with reverting cells ex vivo that has shown some success, but this is mostly being researched for things such as regenerating heart muscle or nerves (things without regenerative capacity). So is it possible that we may progress to where we can regenerate limbs in medical practice? Maybe. But it's nowhere near a reality, seeing as we are still struggling with regenerating one tissue, let alone synchronizing the development of all of the tissues in a limb.

And all of this is not to mention the risks with reverting our cells to stem cells. Keep in mind that a reversal to a less mature state is one of the hallmarks of cancer, meaning that minor errors on a genetic level could predispose the patient to cancer, and the more we have to do, the more likely we will be to make that little mistake. (Our cells make mistakes in replication on their own about 1/1,000,000 times.) While it may seem a worthwhile endeavor at the time to give a person their arm back, giving them malignant cancer that kills them before the limb can even fully grow would make the whole thing moot.

​

And Tsunade bypasses all this by making those cells activate and having them divide even if they arent supposed to, so its not just speeding up a natural process. It is also an unnatural process which will allow her to regrow a limb.

 

[Rιver]

And Tsunade bypasses all this by making those cells activate and having them divide even if they arent supposed to, so its not just speeding up a natural process. It is also an unnatural process which will allow her to regrow a limb.

How is that relevant...? I agreed to that. You were the one to say that a normal human being would eventually regrow a missing limb...

:|

As if characters from Naruto are ordinary.​

 

[RedRobin]

How is that relevant...? I agreed to that. You were the one to say that a normal human being would eventually regrow a missing limb...

:|

As if characters from Naruto are ordinary.​

What? I never stated such a thing. I definitely know we cannot regrow limbs.