knowledge is the greatest factor? they know everything about each other! tsunade knows about kakashi's sharingan, his lightning blade and he knows about her stength. they already know all they need to know.
why are you trying to put tsunade at a disavantage? fights are always in a plain open field so one side doesnt have a advantage. i dont need to put kakashi in a place where he would have the disadvantage just to say he loses.
and his hidden mist jutsu is not canon so no he doesnt have it.
Tsunade Knows about Kamui?Lighting chain?Lighting clone?Water bullet?More?....No she not so she is in disadvantage Kakashi knows more about her(yet dont know abour Regeneration ability) then she about him.Fights is not always in plain oped fields and Lets be honest Tsunade is not beter at planing or making strategy than Kakash.If she is show scans.....And ok I need go Bye bye it was nice to discuse with u thx for logical answers...
Tsunade Knows about Kamui?Lighting chain?Lighting clone?Water bullet?More?....No she not so she is in disadvantage Kakashi knows more about her(yet dont know abour Regeneration ability) then she about him.Fights is not always in plain oped fields and Lets be honest Tsunade is not beter at planing or making strategy than Kakash.If she is show scans.....And ok I need go Bye bye it was nice to discuse with u thx for logical answers...
dude what im asking is for you to use kakashi who arsenal to tell me how he wins. what can he do with this nd that jutsu that would lead him to win? your not doing that. you havent said anything that would suggest he wins.
what is he going to do with water bullet? you have yet to tell me. what is he going to do with lightning chain? you have yet to tell me. . . .
Kakashi loses. ***** is gonna snatch him blind.
Seriously though, Kabuto = Sharingan Kakashi, the same Kabuto that couldn't keep up with her and resorted to using hemophobia against her, something she no longer has. I don't see how a snatched Kakashi is supposed to handle his own against a sannin level opponent.
I don't feel like making much of an argument, Tazz will eventually come (i hope) and give a detailed explanation on how the 5th Hokage > Konoha's snatched top Jonin.
dude what im asking is for you to use kakashi who arsenal to tell me how he wins. what can he do with this nd that jutsu that would lead him to win? your not doing that. you havent said anything that would suggest he wins.
what is he going to do with water bullet? you have yet to tell me. what is he going to do with lightning chain? you have yet to tell me. . . .
OK Kakashi opens 1st gate
"The Gate of Opening, located in the brain, removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so 100% of the user's strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus.(Lets asume that Kakashi can't use Front lotus)"
Then Tsunade attack Kakashi With original attack Kakashi simply Makes Water shark bullet(The user shapes water into the form of a large shark and thrusting their hand forward, sends it hurtling towards the opponent at high-speeds, resulting in a powerful impact.The user can also ride inside the water shark to dramatically increase their swimming speed.)Tsunade repelts that with Her Streangth(Cous no other way)-And she becomes wet Then kakashi casts Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique(Lets asume that Tsunade breakes all thous nin dogies down and realese)But kakashi has attacked with hiding lika mole tech from underground unexpected tsunade reacts and crash Lightning clone and becomes Binded than kakashi Crash her heart with chidori or kills her as many times as he want with other techs as Transmision and others.....
Without sharingan maybe. With? I highly doubt it, kamui wouldn't be needed. He is much faster than tsunade and with his sharingan precog he isn't getting hit.
Tsunade survives all those techniques. Without intel he will go for her heart with raikiri, she will survive that initial hit and from there Tsunade has him right where she wants him.
Tsunade mid diff Kakashi at most. He is her subordinate.
She is the Hokage. She knows every jutsu in her village. She can't preform them all like Hiruzen can but she knows about them.
Saying she don't know her subordinates abilities is like saying
Darui beats Ay because he does not know about his black lightning or Kitsuchi kills Onoki because Onoki does not know about Mountain Sandwich. Please.
I always knew you were stupid, but I didn't know you were this stupid.
Tsunade does not equate to Ay's speed. Don't know where you got that from. Tsunade could barely keep up with a part 1 Kabuto, while Kakashi bested a part 1 Kabuto and even made him run away.
I take back about what I said about you trolling. It is just that you are purely this stupid.
Tsunade should win against a Kakashi without sharingan. Without sharingan kakashi is an above average ninja at best. Tsunade became a sannin with her own powers and skills like jiraiya and orochimaru. Her regenerative abilities makes her able to recover from any attack kakashi throws at her. Tsunade's reaction time is pretty good. Kakashi also has good reactions (his smelling power is incredible), but without sharingan kakashi's taijutsu is much weaker and his strongest attack raikiri becomes ineffective
One punch from Tsunade is enought to kill Kakashi
With Sharingan, Kakashi wins neg difficulty. With Kamui he can warp Tsunade's head or any vital organ of her body, which will instantly kill/incapacitate her
1. It's an established comparison.
2. The motives behind the comparison be argued. and I'll present it here
Many people are quick to throw away the comparison between Ay's speed and Tsunade's, they would rather say the comment meant nothing at all rather than being Kishi's way of talking about her speed. In fact, some have even went on to claim that reasonable feats of speed were the result of Kishi's carelessness in forgetting the distances he's proposed or just needing things to be aesthetically pleasing.
I, however, think that Kishi was self correcting part 1 Tsunade's speed. If we look, he has been doing that all manga. Surely, we all can see the difference between part 1 Tsunade and War Arc Tsunade, in the same manner that one can see the difference between Part 2 Kakashi and Gai. Madara's statement was a double comparison to highlight facts for the readers. So I well try to make this as rudimentary as possible as I tend to be verbose. Madara clearly compares her strength and speed to Ay's.
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The reason for comparing strength is obvious, they both have super strength so in order for the readers to know who is stronger Kishi directly tells us, despite there already being hints of this. Kishi goes on to further highlight this difference in strength in the battle. So why compare speed? I think that because he was about to show Tsunade is high speed combat, he wanted readers to know that speed is still Ay's thing. His shtick if you will. However, that would also serve as a way of telling readers that she is not slow as she was worthy of being compared in this regard.
Perhaps I will show the way in which War Arc Tsunade has demonstrated speed.
We'll first start by showing that Tsunade cleared a fairly large distance quickly which prompted Madara's comment. This is how far away from Madara Tsunade started out,
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the distance is presented on the page starting 577 and again on page 3 where she covers the distance
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For those who claim because Kishi's proportions are sometimes off and that we shouldn't place much weight on the distance, then the distance seen on page 3 of chapter 577 should be the best approximation of distance to go by as that is the one used while she is closing the distance. Considering how fast the distance was closed, it is a natural conclusion that Tsunade moves quickly, and it was that quick motion to which Madara was referencing. I also find it odd, that Tsunade is the only character I've heard the "Kishi messed up on the distance, she didn't really move that fast" argument, when discussing speed feats. What I also find as odd, is that people claim Tsunade has never been said to be fast. Which is interesting considering, even in part 1 we saw her in one battle, a battle in which she was out of shape, and power levels were decreased. (I don't see some one trying to argue from part 1 feats in regards to any character who has a battle in part 2)The very next battle we've seen her in, Madara comments on her speed. And before she challenged Pein, she, in a fatigued state, managed to beat the Anbu to Pein and surprising SM Naruto.
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Notice the twitch in her eye, it means one of two things, either she noticed Pain was attacking, or that she realized she had reached her limit and could no more. The only thing which may remotely suggest average speed was the battle against Kabuto, who may I add is an evasion expert. And she still managed to surprise him a few times, as well as blitz her attendant, and catch Orochimaru off guard. But nothing has ever pointed to Tsunade being slow. Moving off of this tangent...
Now because this feat comes directly before Madara's comments on speed, we can gather that the two are related. Similarly the following feat happens only two pages after his comment on her speed.
In the scan that's about to be presented. Ay and Oonoki are coming toward Madara's susanoo for a blitz.
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Which is what serves to the reason that we can believe Tsunade is fast. A more careful examination of the page shows that Tsunade is no where in sight.
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In fact, the last time we see her she is at the location where she punched his susanoo.
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Another feature I'm not sure everyone had noticed, but Madara, had not seen her coming at all. Which means during that brief moment after Ay hit his susanoo and he looked at Ay she followed up without him seeing her coming.
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Now some may try to argue, that Ay in fact hit Madara to Tsunade, but this is not the case as we can see in the scan that was meant to be a closer examination of the page. But looking at the very next page we can see they all share close proximity.
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All of this seems to indicate high speed movement. And its because of her high speed movement that her speed was compared to Ay's. To differentiate between them, while asserting they are both fast.
Now, it is true that Mei coordinated, an attack with Ay. But it is not the same as what Tsunade did. Mei spat Lava at Madara, Ay attempted to blitz Madara, head on and Ay landed atop Madara's susanoo. Once Mei figured out where Madara, was going to land, she needed only to spew her lava there. She didn't not need to account for the proper speed for the lava to land in that location. As opposed to Ay, Oonoki, and Tsunade's combined attack. In that attack. Tsunade him Madara in one direction, Mei then altered the velocity with her water dragon jutsu. But Tsunade could not have know where to attack yet as Madara was still traveling away from her. She had to be able to anticipate where Oonoki and Ay would attack Madara, and then physically be there to attack directly after Ay. And since Madara's susanoo had not begin to leave Oonoki and Madara and was not being held there by any force. It reasonable to say that the time interval between their attacks was extremely small. And could only be done with adequate knowledge. No Tsunade, is not as fast as Ay, but she can certainly hold her own in fast paced battle. But the main difference between Mei's coordinated attack with Ay and Tsunade's was with Mei, Ay had to have the right timing. With Tsunade, she had to have the timing right.
The same is true of when she blitzed Manda. She had literally 0 clue as to where he was going to pop up from the ground. Both Jiraiya and Gamabunta were shocked when Manda was behind them. But, Tsunade who had been in the air since Jiraiya's katon (and when she jumped probably thought Manda would be there) was able to direct bunta's sword into Manda's mouth before Manda could complete his attack, and fast than Gamabunta could jump. That's another scenario of fast placed battle happening, and Tsunade keeping up with it.
