Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru vs EMS/Rinnegan Madara

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

The bonus discusses the full power of the rinnegan at which the question becomes how good was he with Rinnegan powers, and would he have the chakra for PS and his Rinnegan abilities, and considering Rinnegan abilities left Nagato appearing old and frail it is a valid question.

Featwise show me Shinra Tensei. Show me him teaching Obito Izanagi. Not saying he didn't but at least provide the back up for your claims and the logic string that pulls it all together. He is not immortal. Where did you even get that from?

And considering all of the sannins major summons, and the other two giant toads are bijuu size I think you're underestimating the fight they'd put up against PS. And Orochimaru's other snakes are similar in size to Bunta. Furthermore, the wooden golem would PS a run for its money.

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@pateuvasiliu

Sure they are. Right after obtaining the Rinnegan, Obito was about to use the human-path to Yamato the way Nagato did. Also his outer-path was already by far stronger than Nagato's, as stated by himself. It was stated in Obito's flashback, that he was taught by the six path's Jutsu, such as the Uchiha Kinjutsu and Izanagi by Madara. That's a fact that can't be denied. Obito himself talked about the Rinnegan's true power in front of Nagato. That are statements Slug Princess Tsunade possibly forgot when talking about feats.

@Tazzilla

Nagato ruined his body after syncing himself with the Gedo to leave all his Chakra to it.

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Inyouton Jutsu = Izanagi
Rikudou's Jutsu = the six paths (I see, SasoriOfTheRedSaand posted an even better scan)
And Uchiha Kinjutsu

Anything Obito knows comes from Madara, he has all knowledge and all powers. Obito's perfect usage of the outer- and human-path don't come from nowhere.
With Uchiha Kaenjin btw. deals with summons.

Ah and I remember, having the Rinnegan means he can also summon the Gedo Mazo (as shown, too). And with the Rinnegan, Uchiha and Senju DNA, the proper control over it is also given. What about rampaging with Susanoo and the Mazou and its multiple Biju at once? Hnhn.

 

[Tazzilla88]

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Fair enough, but that still doesn't address the immortal bit

@pateuvasiliu

Sure they are. Right after obtaining the Rinnegan, Obito was about to use the human-path to Yamato the way Nagato did. Also his outer-path was already by far stronger than Nagato's, as stated by himself. It was stated in Obito's flashback, that he was taught by the six path's Jutsu, such as the Uchiha Kinjutsu and Izanagi by Madara. That's a fact that can't be denied. Obito himself talked about the Rinnegan's true power in front of Nagato. That are statements Slug Princess Tsunade possibly forgot when talking about feats.

@Tazzilla

Nagato ruined his body after syncing himself with the Gedo to leave all his Chakra to it.

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Inyouton Jutsu = Izanagi
Rikudou's Jutsu = the six paths (I see, SasoriOfTheRedSaand posted an even better scan)
And Uchiha Kinjutsu

Anything Obito knows comes from Madara, he has all knowledge and all powers. The perfect usage of the outer- and human-path don't come from nowhere.
With Uchiha Kaenjin btw. deals with summons.

Ah and I remember, having the Rinnegan means he can also summon the Gedo Mazo (as shown, too). And with the Rinnegan, Uchiha and Senju DNA, the proper control over it is also given. What about rampaging with Susanoo and the Mazou and its multiple Biju at once? Hnhn.

The Mazo would have no bijuu in it. Then it is just a wooden statue that moves.... we've never seen the mazo do anything without the power of bijuu in it.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Fair enough, but that still doesn't address the immortal bit

Meh, I'm not looking to engage in this debate. Merely showing you Madara did in fact teach Obito.

 

[TheEvilOne]

If he knows the CT/BT, etc why didn't he used them against the Gokage? Or against the ASF?

 

[Strict]

The Mazo would have no bijuu in it. Then it is just a wooden statue that moves.... we've never seen the mazo do anything without the power of bijuu in it.

The Mazo is much huger than the Biju and its brute strength allowed it to hold mountains back.
And to the immortality part; Lady Tazzilla, do you remember the fight of Sasuke against Danzo, latter being completely immortal for his Izanagi? Obito had immortality for about 10 minutes as his Izanagi was more perfect. Madara however taught this Jutsu to Obito, his Uchiha power is stronger than Obito's (he was born extremely strong already) and uses Hashirama's power to a much higher extent. Also do not care about his Chakra, he fought Hasirama a whole day and used the perfect Susanoo along with a controlled Kyuubi.

If he knows the CT/BT, etc why didn't he used them against the Gokage? Or against the ASF?

That's no argument for someone whose arsenal is huge. Certainly he's not going to reveal any single technique but it's enough that Obito's flashback stated he can use them.

EMS + Rinnegan + Gedo Mazo + Immortality and meteorites > The Sannin.

 

[Tazzilla88]

The Mazo is much huger than the Biju and its brute strength allowed it to hold mountains back.
And to the immortality part; Lady Tazzilla, do you remember the fight of Sasuke against Danzo, latter being completely immortal for his Izanagi? Obito had immortality for about 10 minutes as his Izanagi was more perfect. Madara however taught this Jutsu to Obito, his Uchiha power is stronger than Obito's (he was born extremely strong already) and uses Hashirama's power to a much higher extent. Also do not care about his Chakra, he fought Hasirama a whole day and used the perfect Susanoo along with a controlled Kyuubi.


That's no argument for someone whose arsenal is huge. Certainly he's not going to reveal any single technique but it's enough that Obito's flashback stated he can use them.

EMS + Rinnegan + Gedo Mazo + Immortality and meteorites > The Sannin.

I'm sorry baby, but how can you declare that the strength used came from the Gedo and not the bijuus inside of it?

And to the immortality bit; cutie, that isn't immortality no more than Byakugou is immortality. Immortality would be Hidan. But because Madara has died in the past we know he could die again

 

[Strict]

I'm sorry baby, but how can you declare that the strength used came from the Gedo and not the bijuus inside of it?

And to the immortality bit; cutie, that isn't immortality no more than Byakugou is immortality. Immortality would be Hidan. But because Madara has died in the past we know he could die again

Prove me wrong honey. The Mazou is a huge summoning that can move without Biju's inside it (seen when Nagato used it) and the Chakra of the Biju is not proven to be a factor for the Mazou's physical strength. When acting physically, it however didn't show the usage of any Chakra.

I'm aware of what immortality means; I may rewrite it for you: During the Izanagi, Madara cannot die.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Uses huge Shinra Tensei and then one shots them with a mountain busting sword slash. As Madara taught Obito the six path's Jutsu, they are within his capabilities. Having the Rinnegan means also that he has Senju DNA. Uchiha + Senju DNA means Izanagi; complete immortality for at least 10 minutes if we compare it to the weaker Obito.

Madara fanboys never fail to surprise me with their fanfictions

 

[Tazzilla88]

Prove me wrong honey. The Mazou is a huge summoning that can move without Biju's inside it (seen when Nagato used it) and the Chakra of the Biju is not proven to be a factor for the Mazou's physical strength. When acting physically, it however didn't show the usage of any Chakra.

I'm aware of what immortality means; I may rewrite it for you: During the Izanagi, Madara cannot die.

Haha, when has the Gedo moved without chakra being infused in it? It's always occured to me that a beast needs to be inside for it to have consciousness

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. While you're right its not proven, given the link I just posted it seems likely that their chakra is needed.

 

[Strict]

Haha, when has the Gedo moved without chakra being infused in it? It's always occured to me that a beast needs to be inside for it to have consciousness

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. While you're right its not proven, given the link I just posted it seems likely that their chakra is needed.

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- bottom right, the Mazou punches the Anbu away.

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- The Mazou roaring.

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- Madara stays alive with the Chakra he absorbs from the Mazo, so the Mazou itself has Chakra.

Do it better than me.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Of course the Mazou has chakra.

It's what's left from the Juubi that was not put into the Bijuu.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Madara solos. Sorry, but nothing the sanin are outclassed. Don't underestimate Madara.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Madara solos. Sorry, but nothing the sanin are outclassed. Don't underestimate Madara.

It's not only the Sannin. The previous Hokages are under Orochimaru's control.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It's not only the Sannin. The previous Hokages are under Orochimaru's control.

Here's the counter. Madara separates Orochimaru from the other sanin and edos and then uses genjutsu on Orochimaru, forcing him to undo edo tensei. Orochimaru has been shown to get owned by the sharingan alot after all. Without the budda statue, Hashirama would have a hard time penetrating PS. The flower gets annihilated by PS slash.

 

[Tazzilla88]

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- bottom right, the Mazou punches the Anbu away.

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- The Mazou roaring.

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- Madara stays alive with the Chakra he absorbs from the Mazo, so the Mazou itself has Chakra.
Do it better than me.

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1. Wasn't Shukaku still inside for your first two scans
2. But the question is the Mazo being able to fight with its chakra. And to what extent.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Of course the Mazou has chakra.

It's what's left from the Juubi that was not put into the Bijuu.

But that doesn't make sense as the juubi's body is the moon. So who got the remainder of that chakra and from where?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

But that doesn't make sense as the juubi's body is the moon. So who got the remainder of that chakra and from where?

Err no.

The Mazou is what is left of the Juubi's body. It had some chakra left in it.

The rest was put in the 9 tailed beasts.

When the Sage of the Six Paths separated its chakra from its body to create the tailed beasts, he sealed the hollowed husk that was the Ten-Tails's body within the moon

 

[Strict]

1. Wasn't Shukaku still inside for your first two scans
2. But the question is the Mazo being able to fight with its chakra. And to what extent.

1. Shukaku was absorbed in the beginning of Shippuuden. The Mazou was used during the great Ninja war that was stopped by Minato in the end. Minato died about 16 years before the action.

2. The Mazou merely used its physical power to hold back the mountains. At least when the Jinchuriki increased their power with any of the Biju's power, they were coated with the Biju's Chakra, depending on the quantity from 1 to max. tails. The Mazou didn't show any usage of the tailed beasts Chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sand can't pull him out because PS has legs and as such Sand cannot seep beneath it.

PS is just a huge Susanoo with devastating power and legs. It is by no means immune to FTG warping.

Minato warped Kurama and Juubi's Bijuudama. PS will be a peace of cake.

Not like Minato is ever going to get near PS when this is coming at him.

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And don't start that, they will stop him from stabilizing nonsense again.