Tsunade is stronger than Danzo

Rezakage · Aug 31, 2012

Tsunade

SuperFlyzzED · Aug 31, 2012

Please just agree that Danzo wins or Chatte will keep complaining about the female characters.

Tazzilla88 · Aug 31, 2012

Icelerate said:
The thing is all three shinobi that you speak of are at different tiers. I know it is all about match ups but it is kind of obvious that Danzo>>>Tsunade>>>>Hidan. I shouldn't even have to explain. I do know that the rock, paper, scissors analogy works often in Naruto but bare in mind in this case, it most certainly does not.

Izanagi will prevent that from happening good sir.

Your logic is very flawed and I see that you didn't try posting a long explanation to explain why Tsunade wins even though you usually do when it comes to defending Tsunade. It goes to show that she loses pretty badly. Also you say that she lived to 53 which is why killing her won't be easy. Well Danzo lived to his seventies and most of his life, he had no izanagi to rely on therefore his feat of living longer is more valid than that of Tsunade's. Also taking Tsunade's head will be a lot easier than taking Onoki's, Mu's or Hashirama's head for various reasons. It is like me saying that Sasuke easily cuts Tsunade's head because he almost did the same to Sakura.

I didn't post a long explanation because I do have homework for my college classes and if I'm writing here I'm obviously not writing paper's for my class. Danzo is not a particularly strong opponent. But as I've done as much I intend to do tonight, I suppose I will accept your challenge :scorps:

Danzo has 6 tricks to resort to:
Izanagi
Mokuton
Baku
Fuuton
Fuuinjutsu
KA

Now allow me to explain why they fail in this scenario
Izanagi: Izanagi grants Danzo temporarily immortality for 60 seconds. Which gives him 10 minutes of immortality. Tsunade however has byakougou, Sozo Saisei, and regular medical ninjutsu.
1.Byakougou would outlast Izanagi and allow Tsunade to outlast Danzo
2. Danzo keeps his Izanagi arm in a sealing cast and I'm really not sure how he intends to get his arm out when dodging Tsunade constantly. To prepare for his battle with Sasuke he needed Torune and Fuu to cover for him.

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3. While Danzo does have Izanagi to protect him from death for ten minutes as seen in the fight with Sasuke spamming Izanagi

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his chakra. Which is dangerous because when

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is used he

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Hashirama's cells.
Which now bring me to
Mokuton:
1. As shown above just stopping Hashirama's cells from overtaking his body is taxing on his chakra, it only stands to reason then that actually using mokuton is much more difficult for him. You may try to reason that Obito said he couldn't control Hashirama's chakra because he was to close to death but if that was in fact the case, how would Danzo be too close to death as he undid all the attacks he took via Izanagi? His chakra then must have been too low and that must've have been to what Obito was referring, as we all know when you run out of chakra, you die. Kakashi highlighted that point in the war against Pein
2. Danzo really isn't that good with Mokuton. He created a single tree with difficulty. Yamato and even Part 1 Edo-Hashirama have better feats with that which leads me to say that Danzo sucks in terms of Mokuton.

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3. Because Danzo's elemental specialization seems to be wind, and he has such trouble with Mokuton as it is foreign to him, I will postulate that he will have difficulty with suitons and dotons as well.
Baku
1. Baku is a large summon but I tend to think Katsuyu is as large.

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2. Baku doesn't really have a way to harm Katsuyu. If she decides to allow him to suck her up she can melt him from the inside out. If he decides to use his suction jutsu the same way Sasuke used a Katon she could spit acid which would badly burn and possibly maim him taking him out of the fight. If he should try to blow her based upon the weight of one of her tiny minis I doubt she will move when Susanoo posed such opposition. If he tries sometime of cutting jutsu Katsuyu can be cut or stabbed and still be just fine.

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3. Tsunade could kill Baku with an attack.
Fuuton
1.Danzo is a skilled Fuuton user I will grant you that but his fuutons only target small areas and as an evasion specialist Tsunade shouldn't have to much of a problem avoiding them.

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2.Beyond that all of his fuuton abilities are completely useless on Katsuyu.
3.As Mifune showed when constantly being barraged by attacks it is difficult to form hand seals for jutsus.

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Tsunade has on two occasions moved faster than others has been able to form handseals.

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So then the problem becomes how will Danzo find time to use jutsus when being constantly bombarded with attacks.
Fuuinjutsu
There's been two types of offensive fuuinjutsus used by Danzo.
1.One can be overridden by will power.

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Tsunade though has shown her great will power being able to force herself to protect Naruto during her hemophobia, forcing her self to overcome hemophobia, forcing herself to attack while impaled, her resolve to never give up.

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2.The other fuuinjutsu is the seal released upon his death. However it is not fast moving as everyone was able to safely avoid it and common sense dictates get out of the way of the mysterious blackness

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And Tsunade has several speed feats in addition to the ones above. Such as having blitzed 3 people and having in a fatigued condition beat an anbu to Pein. Which should allow her to avoid this seal.

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Kotoamatsuki
Here's my take any jutsu can be countered. Whether it's genjutsu, ninjutsu, or taijutsu the only question is whether or not the target of the jutsu has the skill to do so.
If every technique has it's weakness as Itachi has said KA is no exception to the rule. With KA everything is based on the target not realizing they are being controlled, because once they do realize it they can break it. Which means during the use of KA one must not try to make the victim do anything to extremely out of character, like attacking a team mate because that would be a dead give away to them that they are being controlled. Or if a person is particularly good at sensing they could realize they are trapped in genjutsu and break free.
Restrictive or Paralysis genjutsus are very dangerous how ever people with great mental strength will be able to break free.
Essentially I believe all offensive genjutsus are counterable by the same basic methods, but as the prowess of the user goes up and the effect of the genjutsu becomes more extreme, the mental fortitude of the victim and the chakra control of the victim must go up in correlation to break the genjutsu. Therefore the trick to KA is realizing your in a genjutsu. If Tsunade is put under KA and is forced to try and help Danzo it will be obvious to her that she is being controlled as she would have no reason to help her opponent.
And Considering Itachi knows Sasuke is a threat to Konoha and considering he knew upon releasing edo-tensei he'd be unable to stop Sasuke, and considering he met with Sasuke before they encountered Kabuto and considering he kabuto defeated and had every opportunity to kill Sasuke in order to protect Konoha while Kabuto was stuck in Izanami and chose not to, it only stands to reason that if you are under the control of Izanami and you recognize this then you have the option of disobeying the order or finding an alternative way to obey the order.
Taijutsu This really isn't Danzo's area of expertise.
But considering Tsunade is an evasion Specialist

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Considering Tsunade is a taijutsu specialist

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Considering Tsunade picks up on an opponents fighting style and uses it to avoid further attacks

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Considering Tsunade's ability to scramble nerves:

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And Considering Tsunade's monstrous strength

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I'd say that Danzo wouldn't want to go toe to toe with Tsunade in taijutsu.
And because of Tsunade being these types of specialist with her first area of expertise being evasion, then medical, then taijutsu the question becomes how can Danzo so easily remove her head. It seems much more likely he will die.
Don't mistake Tsunade's willingness to tank attacks for the inability to avoid them.
And about Tsunade's age it goes in hand with the facts from the databook that Tsunade completed Tsunade has completed 1,256 official missions in total: 40 D-rank, 236 C-rank, 467 B-rank, 418 A-rank, 95 S-rank. Which means the majority of assignments ever taken had a high degree of risk to her and she managed not to get her head taken off in all that time.

Chatte · Aug 31, 2012

SuperFlyzzED said:
Please just agree that Danzo wins or Chatte will keep complaining about the female characters.

Excuse me? You base that statement on what? Just because I have proven you on a previous post that I can counteract your statement?

I though we agreed to ignore eachother, didn't we?

shogun973 said:
they can all counter it with ninjutsu or special techniques dust release, mokuton, speed, tsunade doesnt even have good taijutsu, she has power but kabuto was picking her apart

You call not skilled in taijutsu the shinobi who was praised to be unparalled in taijutsu? Sorry, flawless logic.
Kabuto was picking her apart? You oonly seem to bring that particular scene into consideration, forgetting about how she covered herself up and even after being injured she was able to blitz Kabuto. Please, state real facts!

Icelerate said:
What do you mean by current Sasuke and to whom (Tsunade?)?

Those kunai could wear her down. After all they are infused with the power of wind and we all know how much damage they do.

I give the fight to Danzo mid difficulty. He can touch her neck and paralyse her. Once she is paralysed, she can't do anything and Danzo can easily behead her. Also Baku would mess Tsunade up as well seeing how much trouble it caused Sasuke and his susanoo.

Current Sasuke, yes, with the Susanoo he has now and all the feats.
Tsunade has proven herself to be able to tank Susanoo, stated by the user who has the most powerful Susanoo in the series, at the moment, meaning Madara Uchiha as we all know.

But what makes you think that those Kunai will get to hurt her as she survived 2 of the most powerful tools in Narutoverse, meaning Sword of Kusanagi and Susanoo sword.
Don't attribute the wind style that Naruto has to someone's wind style. Naruto's one is dangerous because they damage up to a molecular level. Not such characteristic present in Danzo's set of skills.

Touch her neck and paralyse her with what, how? You forget that Tsunade's main skill set is evasiveness. She only n eeds to touch him once and mess up with his nerves.
The only one who was ab le to tank that was Kabuto and that thanks to his medical skills

Yes, but she still has Katsuyu and Tsunade has been giving problems to a Susanoo as well.

Dark Clouds · Aug 31, 2012

Bogard said:
If we remove KA, i believe Tsunade is stronger than Danzo because:

- She has much more power than him in taijutsu

- Danzo has izanagi which makes him immortal during 10minutes when Tsunade can be immortal during a much more time than that(probably one day if we go by the fact she was fighting Madara during one day)

- Danzo has only shown his fuuton jutsus and it's not with them that he would get a chance to kill her when one punch could kill him if he hasn't activated Izanagi

- Danzo has summon? Tsunade has katsuyu that can even split itself so immortal. It can even throw acid on the ennemy

What do you think?:ice:

I agree.

SuperFlyzzED · Aug 31, 2012

Oh don't worry, Chatte. I know that Tsunade> Danzo.

Slug Princess Tsunade · Aug 31, 2012

Tsunade.

Chatte · Aug 31, 2012

SuperFlyzzED said:
Oh don't worry, Chatte. I know that Tsunade> Danzo.

I was not worrying but your comment was a bit "acid" regarding me and the female characters.
You made it sound a bit out of its place, if you know where I aiming at.

Strict · Aug 31, 2012

It's kinda funny to call Danzo weaker than a certain person while taking away parts of his powers. Kotoamatsukami is a part of Danzos power, like Deva-Path is a part of Nagato and Susanoo a part of Itachi.

Above, Tsunade cannot win against Danzo even if latter is not using Kotoamatsukami. Danzo has a pretty good arsenal and 10 Sharingans for using Izanagi. Sasuke has won barely with his Mangekyou Sharingan and even Itachi was surprised.

looking 4 name · Aug 31, 2012

all female characters are shit except konan

kishi made them fodders since he dosent give a fk about them and yes danzo would rape tsunade

Tazzilla88 · Aug 31, 2012

Strict said:
It's kinda funny to call Danzo weaker than a certain person while taking away parts of his powers. Kotoamatsukami is a part of Danzos power, like Deva-Path is a part of Nagato and Susanoo a part of Itachi.

Above, Tsunade cannot win against Danzo even if latter is not using Kotoamatsukami. Danzo has a pretty good arsenal and 10 Sharingans for using Izanagi. Sasuke has won barely with his Mangekyou Sharingan and even Itachi was surprised.

Tell me, how exactly does Danzo beat her? How does Danzo get his arm out of the seal?

Strict · Aug 31, 2012

Tazzilla88 said:
Tell me, how exactly does Danzo beat her? How does Danzo get his arm out of the seal?

He also can start without the seal on his arm.
Does Tsunade know Izanagi at all? When Konan believed that she has killed Tobi, latter used Izanagi and killed her. Danzo could do the same. Izanagi is the greatest chance for a surprising counter attack.

Dantee · Aug 31, 2012

Tsunade can't win. 1st of all Danzo has the same enhanced strength as her and she has to kill him 10 times. Tsunade relies on close combat Danzo can freeze her and bam cut her head off.

Tazzilla88 · Aug 31, 2012

Strict said:
He also can start without the seal on his arm.
Does Tsunade know Izanagi at all? When Konan believed that she has killed Tobi, latter used Izanagi and killed her. Danzo could do the same. Izanagi is the greatest chance for a surprising counter attack.

Your argument fails so hard. How exactly does he start without the seal on his arm?
Konan isn't a senju and fighting Uchihas is not her family legacy. You implying he takes the element of surprise through ignorance but considering She is very aware of her surroundings:

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I doubt she will fall prey so easily. But let's suppose she does.
If we assume ignorance on her part we most also assume ignorance on Danzo's behalf and that he has no knowledge of Byakougou and thus isn't likely to go for decapitation. When both have realized the ability of the other Tsunade is still at a greater advantage.

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
Tsunade can't win. 1st of all Danzo has the same enhanced strength as her and she has to kill him 10 times. Tsunade relies on close combat Danzo can freeze her and bam cut her head off.

.....What?
Danzo has the same enhanced strength. Show me this.

She doesn't have to kill him 10 times she has to outlast him for 10 minutes.

Danzo showed no particular skill in taijutsu during his encounter with sasuke that even remotely suggest he can go toe to toe with Tsunade

And I've already said how Tsunade has the necessary willpower to overcome his seal

Minator93 · Aug 31, 2012

Izanagi >> Tsunade U_U

Dantee · Aug 31, 2012

Tazzilla88 said:
Your argument fails so hard. How exactly does he start without the seal on his arm?
Konan isn't a senju and fighting Uchihas is not her family legacy. You implying he takes the element of surprise through ignorance but considering She is very aware of her surroundings:

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I doubt she will fall prey so easily. But let's suppose she does.
If we assume ignorance on her part we most also assume ignorance on Danzo's behalf and that he has no knowledge of Byakougou and thus isn't likely to go for decapitation. When both have realized the ability of the other Tsunade is still at a greater advantage.

.....What?
Danzo has the same enhanced strength. Show me this.

She doesn't have to kill him 10 times she has to outlast him for 10 minutes.

Danzo showed no particular skill in taijutsu during his encounter with sasuke that even remotely suggest he can go toe to toe with Tsunade

And I've already said how Tsunade has the necessary willpower to overcome his seal

Adding Hashiramas DNA to his body gave him physical strength. It was shown when he kicked the shi out of Karin into the rocks. He lacks the same healing abilities as Tsunade does however it's enough to survive a few hits from Tsunade without using Izanagi.

How would Tsunade even know about the time limit of Izanagi? Even so Danzo can cut it on and off with a few handseals.

Taijutsu also goes to Danzo who has the sharigan and enhanced strength.

Willpower? pshh. Sasuke was luckly enough to have Susanoo. Tsunade doesn't have that kind of power. Even if she starts to break it Danzo would notice and cut her head off.

There is more reason to show that Danzo knows more about Tsunades abilities than vice versa. Seeing as he is very secretive about what he does and Tsunade is famous. I'm pretty sure Danzo knows what she is capable of.

Varrah · Aug 31, 2012

From what we have seen on him I think you should include KA simply because he had it when we saw Danzou actually in battle. However I am opt to think that Danzou would win from pulling some shadowy shit, possibly with Izanagi.

Shoton · Aug 31, 2012

If theres a Tsunade vs. thread, most try to conclude that she'll loose by getting her head chopped off.. Haha lame. If that was the case, that ninja would chop every damn ninjas head off.

JakeLife510 · Aug 31, 2012

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Will power got nothing to do with this

Dantee · Aug 31, 2012

Shoton said:
If theres a Tsunade vs. thread, most try to conclude that she'll loose by getting her head chopped off.. Haha lame. If that was the case, that ninja would chop every damn ninjas head off.

How else would she die.. She's not like every other ninja and we already saw Danzo aiming to cut someones head off.

Tsunade is stronger than Danzo

Who wins??

Tsunade

Danzo

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