Tsunade: Fan-fic vs Reality

[KingHashirama]

I feel like this whole thread was made by the OP for validation that Hashirama is stronger than Tsunade. Too bad he isn't though.

though tsuna and sakura take a dump on hashirama in strength.

 

[super yang]

Show me where the technique called "chakra enhanced strength" was made. show me.

Kakashi stated that sakura inherited ''monster strenght'' from her teacher at the 2nd bell test

There is no technique in the manga called "chakra enhanced strength".

Thats because it is a crude jutsu, an application of pinpoint chakra control. it is more of a trait of them as medics & is secondary to their healing stuffs.
it has been referred to multiple times

It is a phrase made by fans for enhancement of strength by usage of chakra.

How is that relevant to the discussion?

Gai creates fire via chakra/swet from the gates + immense striking speed, that is enhanced by CHAKRA.

another myth. gates dont enhance anything. that is gais 100 percent strength, pure taijutsu.
base gai is 20% because his mind has a 80% restriction on the gates or chakra flow in the body.
he knows how to release the restraints on the gates, most cannot.
this is true for everybody

there is no active increase or enhancement.

Choji in strength is weaker than Sakura and Tsunade.

really? I disagree...

 

[Aznkidd]

Just ignore this troll. He is too blind to see that sage toad told naruto to lift the stone with ninja chakra. Even 3 years old kid understand what is that mean. The reason he behave like this cause he is too ashamed to go back, so he will just try to continue as he was right when he is not.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kakashi stated that sakura inherited ''monster strenght'' from her teacher at the 2nd bell test

Still can't find the technique called CES. Even jiraiya stated she became more like Tsunade ;].

Thats because it is a crude jutsu, an application of pinpoint chakra control. it is more of a trait of them as medics & is secondary to their healing stuffs.
it has been referred to multiple times

nope, that is not "CES"... that is

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How is that relevant to the discussion?

Because you don't know what "CES" is.

another myth. gates dont enhance anything. that is gais 100 percent strength, pure taijutsu.
base gai is 20% because his mind has a 80% restriction on the gates or chakra flow in the body.
he knows how to release the restraints on the gates, most cannot.
this is true for everybody

enhance: intensify, increase, or further improve the quality, value, or extent of.

Him releasing the restraints enhances his power..

The Gate of Opening (開門, Kaimon), located in the brain, removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so 100% of the user's strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus.
The Gate of Healing (休門, Kyūmon; English TV "The Gate of Rest"), located in the brain, forcibly increases the user's physical strength and temporarily re-energises the body.
The Gate of Life (生門, Seimon), located on the spinal cord, allows the user to use the Reverse Lotus. The increased blood flow turns the skin red.
The Gate of Pain (傷門, Shōmon), located on the spinal cord, increases the user's speed and power. May cause muscle tissue to tear on use.
The Gate of Limit (杜門, Tomon; English TV "The Gate of Closing"), located in the abdomen, increases the user's speed and power.
The Gate of View (景門, Keimon; English TV "The Gate of Joy"), located in the stomach, increases the user's speed and power. Opening of this gate releases such enormous amounts of energy that it can cause nearby water bodies to form a vortex around the user. Once opened, capable users can perform the Morning Peacock.
The Gate of Wonder (驚門, Kyōmon; English TV "The Gate of Shock"), located below the stomach, further increases the user's speed and power. Only after this gate is activated, can a capable user perform the Daytime Tiger. Those who open this gate will secrete glowing green — blue in the anime — sweat from every inch of their body which immediately evaporates from their own heat energy, creating an aura which people mistake as a chakra coating. Unfortunately, the side effects of opening the gate are that the user's muscle fibres are ripped to shreds, causing intense pain if anything or anyone touches them.
The Gate of Death (死門, Shimon), located at the heart, requires the user to puncture their chest just above the heart in order to open it. Opening this gate will cause the user's blood to emanate a flaming aura of red steam from all pores of their body, hair, and eyebrows. Releasing this gate uses up all of the body's energy while making the heart pump at maximum power. Exceeding the power of every other gate, the user is granted approximately a hundred times their normal power, far beyond that of the five Kage. Once activated, those who are capable can perform the Evening Elephant and the Night Guy. Unfortunately, the side effect of opening this gate is that it comes at the expense of the user's life, causing the user to crumble to ash, having virtually cooked themselves from the inside-out. This is unlike opening the other gates, which simply injure or damage the body.[7]

there is no active increase or enhancement.

really? I disagree...

Because you don't know what enhancement is...

Uhh yea.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Not the tailed beast,

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Killer be easily overpowered him in base, while he(raikage) was in lightning armor.

It still serves as an amplifier, all mechanical action requires force, therefore the raikage's lightning aromor improves his strength.

Killer Bee is super strong himself tho, he been training to be the raikage's partner since he was a kid and don't forget how easily he overpowered curse mode enhanced ADULT juugo (Raikage fought child Juugo, he only regained his normal form after absorbing that samurai at the summit).

 

[super yang]

Still can't find the technique called CES. Even jiraiya stated she became more like Tsunade ;].

what exactly are U looking for then?

do U understand what jiraiya meant?

Because you don't know what "CES" is.

OK...?

enhance: intensify, increase, or further improve the quality, value, or extent of.

Him releasing the restraints enhances his power..

we can play word games all day - is his capability enhanced in comparison to when he is base, that goes w/o saying.
is gai enhancing himself? No. he released the gates. period. he did not enhance any thing or build any chakra.
gates is not nin-taijutsu & chakra is present in all humans, even civilians have gates that can be released.

Because you don't know what enhancement is... Uhh yea.

cool beans. what is your point now?

 

[KingHashirama]

what exactly are U looking for then?

do U understand what jiraiya meant?

OK...?


we can play word games all day - is his capability enhanced in comparison to when he is base, that goes w/o saying.
is gai enhancing himself? No. he released the gates. period. he did not enhance any thing or build any chakra.
gates is not nin-taijutsu & chakra is present in all humans, even civilians have gates that can be released.

cool beans. what is your point now?

Jiraiya meant she got strong like Tsunade........ because to them "CES" = normal strength.


All enhancements have to do with enhancing base..... on normal the gates are locked.. just like normally a person doesn't have senjutsu chakra.. the gates are unlocked to attain greater strength.. senjutsu chakra is gathered to go strength.


point is.. in alot of the argument.. you don't seem to know what you are talking about.. despite claiming it to be wrong.

 

[closecombat1254]

''CES'' & senjutsu are not related mechanisms. senjutsu is a static power up, the medics focus chakra & release it at the end of their strikes
again, that was in the context of differentiating between his passive strength in base vs in senjutsu.

you use chakra to breathe & walk passively, thats what fukasaku meant. Fukasaku was speaking generically



''only'' so U admit that is what they are doing? at least U remember Tsunades finger display...

-where have they done something other than than?
-why doesnt sakura lift boulders & rip trees from the ground in combat?
-when is sakura going to lift a boss summon or take a punch from a sage/CMS user & completely absorb the impact w/ your supposed application of chakra?
-how did omois kick blow her away when her entire body/her muscles are supposedly enhanced w/ chakra?

Dude u are wrong

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade has natural strength just like her body is naturally strong. In base she survived getting cut in half, she is a naturally strong person, her muscles, all the organs in her body are beyond human.

 

[super yang]

Jiraiya meant she got strong like Tsunade........ because to them "CES" = normal strength.

No, the author speaks thru characters.
the bold is just U talking bias
jiraiyas was being used to show the ''neo-sannin'' parallels, I don't remember that scene or if he even mentioned strenght/jutsu/etc

kakashi specifically canonized ''CES'' passing from Tsunade to sakura. half the jutsu don't ever get named in the canon manga.
I don't see where ur going here

All enhancements have to do with enhancing base..... on normal the gates are locked.. just like normally a person doesn't have senjutsu chakra.. the gates are unlocked to attain greater strength.. senjutsu chakra is gathered to go strength.

Ok, this absolutely true. is this our point of contention?

point is.. in alot of the argument.. you don't seem to know what you are talking about.. despite claiming it to be wrong.

Nah, I think I know what im talkin'bout

 

[closecombat1254]

Tsunade has natural strength just like her body is naturally strong. In base she survived getting cut in half, she is a naturally strong person, her muscles, all the organs in her body are beyond human.

Dude if I remember correctly she had her seal up and slug were trying to heal her

 

[RedRobin]

Dude if I remember correctly she had her seal up and slug were trying to heal her

You didnt remember correctly. She was cut in half in base and then while cut in half summons Katsuyu.

 

[closecombat1254]

You didnt remember correctly. She was cut in half in base and then while cut in half summons Katsuyu.

Well that off topic but that the end of the day the slug healed with the help of oro

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsunade has natural strength just like her body is naturally strong. In base she survived getting cut in half, she is a naturally strong person, her muscles, all the organs in her body are beyond human.

she survived while cut in half.. could be due to medical ninjutsu. Plus in the real world its not an instant death.

 

[RedRobin]

she survived while cut in half.. could be due to medical ninjutsu

Not at all. Nothing to show this. Tsunade is an 80 year old women body wise and her body is so strong she was able to survive being cut in half. She is made up of Senju and Uzumaki DNA.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not at all. Nothing to show this. Tsunade is an 80 year old women body wise and her body is so strong she was able to survive being cut in half. She is made up of Senju and Uzumaki DNA.

hmm.. thats not how Dna works in Naruto-verse. It would need to depend on who her parents were, instead of the grandparents. only her grandma was uzumaki. We don't know if her father/mother had senju dna or not. And that'd tell us if she is a full senju or not.

And considering the fact she taught Sakura the byakugou and creation rebirth.. despite knowing its usage shrinks the user's life.. must mean she believes Sakura's dna is good.. after all she was naturally gifted in chakra control. And then her possibility of being a senju (like many others in konoha).


And again, it could be due to medical ninjutsu.. there is no proof that it was due to her natural dna or w.e either.

 

[RedRobin]

hmm.. thats not how Dna works in Naruto-verse. It would need to depend on who her parents were, instead of the grandparents. only her grandma was uzumaki. We don't know if her father had senju dna or not. And that'd tell us if she is a full senju or not.

And considering the fact she taught Sakura the byakugou and creation rebirth.. despite knowing its usage shrinks the user's life.. must mean she believes Sakura's dna is good.. after all she was naturally gifted in chakra control. And then her possibility of being a senju (like many others in konoha).


And again, it could be due to medical ninjutsu.. there is no proof that it was due to her natural dna or w.e either.

She is still at least 25% Uzumaki and 25% Senju. Using creation rebirth too much shortens the life, using it once of twice as a last resort will not kill her.

But there is nothing to show it was medical ninjustu. Its basically showing us her body is naturally strong. You are assuming its medical ninjustu but there is nothing to show this.

 

[KingHashirama]

She is still at least 25% Uzumaki and 25% Senju. Using creation rebirth too much shortens the life, using it once of twice as a last resort will not kill her.

But there is nothing to show it was medical ninjustu. Its basically showing us her body is naturally strong. You are assuming its medical ninjustu but there is nothing to show this.

shes only 25% uzumaki if you divinding it precisely. Tsunade won't teach Sakura a move that would knowingly shorten her life, if she already doesn't have good dna. And she doesn't know how much sakura would need to use it for.

Hmm i don't get how that is showing her body is natural strong, just showing her bleeding and summoning the slug. Shes supposed to be an inferior version of Adult Sakura (if we are going by the parallels). Its only natural to assume the best medical ninja at the time, used medical ninjutsu to prolong her being cut in half, via her excellent chakra control.

 

[RedRobin]

shes only 25% uzumaki if you divinding it precisely. Tsunade won't teach Sakura a move that would knowingly shorten her life, if she already doesn't have good dna. And she doesn't know how much sakura would need to use it for.

Hmm i don't get how that is showing her body is natural strong, just showing her bleeding and summoning the slug. Shes supposed to be an inferior version of Adult Sakura (if we are going by the parallels). Its only natural to assume the best medical ninja at the time, used medical ninjutsu to prolong her being cut in half, via her excellent chakra control.

Mito Uzumaki - Hashirama Senju
Their child is 50% Uzumaki and 50% Senju
That is one of Tsunade's parents so she is at least 25% Uzumaki and 25% Senju

Creation rebirth was made so Tsunade could better help out on the feild and not die easily. You are making assumptions left and right.

Nothing to show she used medical ninjustu. She was cut in half in base meaning her body is that strong naturally.

 

[KingHashirama]

Mito Uzumaki - Hashirama Senju
Their child is 50% Uzumaki and 50% Senju
That is one of Tsunade's parents so she is at least 25% Uzumaki and 25% Senju

Creation rebirth was made so Tsunade could better help out on the feild and not die easily. You are making assumptions left and right.

Nothing to show she used medical ninjustu. She was cut in half in base meaning her body is that strong naturally.

Or she used chakra to keep herself alive? Seeing she still had the byakugou seal on herself.

"That's what happened to Truman Duncan, who, after falling off of a moving train, was dragged underneath the wheels. They severed his body in half at the waist, incredibly leaving him alive and conscious to hear the machinery grinding his body in two as he was dragged 75 feet.

Truman decided that screaming like a little girl was neither manly nor helpful and instead pulled out his cell phone and dialed 911 from right there under the train. Then, because it took rescuers 45 minutes to get him out from under the train, he placed a few calls to his family as well."

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With reading that, the logical answer would be she prevented extreme blood loss.