Tsunade At Best High Jounin Level?

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The fact that, like Minato, she was responsible for Konoha coming out on top in a World War is a pretty damn big feat IMHO. And people are doing the same thing for Tsunade that they do for Sakura, that is, forgetting something. The job of a Medic-nin is to stay away from battle so that their comrades can be healed and survive. According to the 2nd DB, that's why she developed her "Creation Rebirth" and "Yin Seal: Release" combo, to stay alive and save her comrades.

Her being one of the best alive at Taijutsu (according to Jiraiya) means that she CAN fight extremely well if she has to, but that isn't her job. That's like saying Shikamaru should be fighting melee opponents even though that isn't his forte.
how was she responsible for konoha coming out on wop in the world war their was also orochimaru and jiraiyia?

yes we all know tsuanada is beast and the best in med ninjutsu
and link me where jirayia saids that about her taijutsu
since when is fighting melle opponents not his forte where does he say that?
 

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these ppl i mentioned are called prodigy not some normal genius, itachi is a genius among narutal genius and nagato mastering 6 element at the age of 10 including yin and yang. 1ce in a decade genius. And she lacked feat in battle smart, she don't plan or strategize just rushing in to give the opponent her linear blow. Jiraiya's hype is in part 1 this is part 2 naruto shitpudding, many are above her now in taijutsu. Kakashi was fighting at war for a whole day w/ his sharingan open and was still able to fight v2 jins his stamina has definitely increased and lastly current should have at 4 in speed since he has undergo 3 training arc. My 2 cents
"Lacks battle smarts"? Lolwut? Have you not seen her battle with Kabuto? She realized everything he had done/was trying to do, from exactly how he incapacitated Naruto, to what he had to to stop her from using all of her strength against him. Unfortunately, that's the only battle (other than the Sannin Showdown) that she's been in, so it's too soon for you to say she simply rushes in or fights linearly. And ' the hell? "shitpudding"? Jiraiya "hyping" her in Part 1 changes absolutely nothing. And it's not like Kakashi was fighting constantly all the time. As he said when more Zetsus showed up, "Ah, there's another wave of them". So obviously, they came at separate times, which is what you're supposed to do in war anyway. o_O

how was she responsible for konoha coming out on wop in the world war their was also orochimaru and jiraiyia?

yes we all know tsuanada is beast and the best in med ninjutsu
and link me where jirayia saids that about her taijutsu
since when is fighting melle opponents not his forte where does he say that?
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im not biased i said i would glady accept defeated and admit i was wrong when i see more feats from her

hashirama- 1 of the founder of kohana
he beat ems madara uchia which 5 kages are having trouble against
he took the kyuubi from madara
he has wood release which is op
he was in control of many beasts
dude just that alone come on now...

tobirama- water jutsu master
the man had space time jutsu
the man created edo tensei which is being used by in the war to help the other side

as soon as i see something impressive or more from tsuanade i will admit defeat and change my views of her until then im sticking to what im saying she doesnt have alot of feats.
Nothing you have said proves your not biased. How is it that you believe they can stop shinra tensei and she can't. In fact what other Kage could have stopped shinra tensei? Any other Kage(maybe not Minato) would have made sure Naruto stayed in Mount Myoboku. And they certainly wouldn't have let him face Nagato. So tell me how Konoha would have faired then? IMHO she did better than most other Kages would have
 

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Nothing you have said proves your not biased. How is it that you believe they can stop shinra tensei and she can't. In fact what other Kage could have stopped shinra tensei? Any other Kage(maybe not Minato) would have made sure Naruto stayed in Mount Myoboku. And they certainly wouldn't have let him face Nagato. So tell me how Konoha would have faired then? IMHO she did better than most other Kages would have
never said they could stop shinra tensei? i said they probably wouldnt even let him in the village. and she cant stop it? quite frankly i dont know anyone who could maybe minato with his space time barrier idk. why would they make sure he stays in mount myoboku when he has a bone to pick with the person who killed his sensei? and nagato? he didnt face nagato he was facing the body of pain's the rest idk what ur saying. like i said as soon i see more feats from her i admit defeat and admit i was wrong
 

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"Lacks battle smarts"? Lolwut? Have you not seen her battle with Kabuto? She realized everything he had done/was trying to do, from exactly how he incapacitated Naruto, to what he had to to stop her from using all of her strength against him. Unfortunately, that's the only battle (other than the Sannin Showdown) that she's been in, so it's too soon for you to say she simply rushes in or fights linearly. And ' the hell? "shitpudding"? Jiraiya "hyping" her in Part 1 changes absolutely nothing. And it's not like Kakashi was fighting constantly all the time. As he said when more Zetsus showed up, "Ah, there's another wave of them". So obviously, they came at separate times, which is what you're supposed to do in war anyway. o_O



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have you never thought he was being considerate and exaggerating infront of naruto?
 

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regardless of whether kakashi can beat tsunade is irrelevant seeing as she became hokage so early on in naruto...whos going to make kakashi the hokage when they already have 1? anyone tell me plz
 

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"Lacks battle smarts"? Lolwut? Have you not seen her battle with Kabuto? She realized everything he had done/was trying to do, from exactly how he incapacitated Naruto, to what he had to to stop her from using all of her strength against him. Unfortunately, that's the only battle (other than the Sannin Showdown) that she's been in, so it's too soon for you to say she simply rushes in or fights linearly. And ' the hell? "shitpudding"? Jiraiya "hyping" her in Part 1 changes absolutely nothing. And it's not like Kakashi was fighting constantly all the time. As he said when more Zetsus showed up, "Ah, there's another wave of them". So obviously, they came at separate times, which is what you're supposed to do in war anyway. o_O
but we can't compare that to ppl like itachi or nagato or even kakashi. Regarding jiraiya's hype we all know powerlevels have boost through the roof we can't just compare anything in part 1 to part 2. Many have surpassed her in taijutsu. I'm dizzy going to sleep lol.
 

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About your comment towards tsunade stepping to pain. Kishi said that he wanted her to have more of a impact while pain attacked konoha and that his first idea was that before naruto showed up that tsunade would get 1 punch on deva path but he went with something else because she punches too hard and it would imobilize deva path for the fight with naruto. Thats how powerful tsunade is.
 

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About your comment towards tsunade stepping to pain. Kishi said that he wanted her to have more of a impact while pain attacked konoha and that his first idea was that before naruto showed up that tsunade would get 1 punch on deva path but he went with something else because she punches too hard and it would imobilize deva path for the fight with naruto. Thats how powerful tsunade is.
true but what good is strength if your opponent is too fast or you cant land a hit?
 

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And just having intelligence doesn't mean anything. What you fail to realize is that you're bringing up Minato whom wasn't only a Hokage but was also labelled a Genius which appears once a Generation... So what's the point? Minato is the Strongest Hokage Ever... Does that mean Hashirama, Tobirama and Hiruzen didn't deserve the title of Hokage either?

Tsunade protected her village by using her summon and sending her chakra to heal everyone and keep them alive. Just because you have the title of Kage doesn't mean you have to be the best fighter the world has ever seen.. Fact is, you're matching her up against Minato of all people, who would beat 99.8% of everyone we've ever seen in the manga and then you go ahead and say Kakashi would beat her without bringing up any evidence or facts to prove it.

Actually Kakashi didn't. He fought against a couple of Paths and got pwned... Tsunade managed to keep a few hundred people alive and even once her chakra was almost depleted, she still stepped onto the battlefield to fight with Pein.

Lol? That's the best you got? And what's the point of other people fighting her if they can't kill her because she can kill herself then?

Ha! Tsunade told him not to go and that if he was going to be careful. And how is she meant to go with him when he said it was something he was going to do alone? -.-"

And Tsunade can fight. You honestly think someone who survived 2 World Wars isn't capable of fighting? Wow...

And Tsunade can also kill Kakashi in a single hit.. So what's your point? You said Kabuto was equal to Tsunade... Well Kabuto bested Kakashi at the Chuunin exams... So I guess this means Kabuto = Tsunade > Kakashi then, huh?

Why does she need to be compared to the other Hokage? Like I said earlier... Minato could kill every other Hokage, does that not make them worthy of the title?


But anyways, your failed attempts at trolling have almost bored me to sleep. Please try harder next time... Or do us all a favor and don't try again.
1st Kabuto did not best Kakashi, he retreated

And 2nd Minato is not the best Hokage
 

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never said they could stop shinra tensei?
Actually you did say it

i bet hashirama or tobirama wouldnt even allow pain to destory the village i bet hiruzen would put up a better fight and his a old ass geezer
right?

i said they probably wouldnt even let him in the village. and she cant stop it? quite frankly i dont know anyone who could maybe minato with his space time barrier idk. why would they make sure he stays in mount myoboku when he has a bone to pick with the person who killed his sensei? and nagato? he didnt face nagato he was facing the body of pain's the rest idk what ur saying. like i said as soon i see more feats from her i admit defeat and admit i was wrong
Of course they would make him stay in Mount Myoboku look what they did to him in the war? You know that the kage don't let the junchurriki do what they want. Lady Tsunade was even nice enough to let him fight akatsuki.

Any one else would have made him stay in the village. Like Bee. And there would have been no going off alone to face Nagato. Tell me how could the other kage know he was coming in the village? It would have played out the same way with any other Kage!
 

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Thats not the point. The point is she is one of the strongest ninjas out there and is indeed kage level.
Actually you did say it



right?



Of course they would make him stay in Mount Myoboku look what they did to him in the war? You know that the kage don't let the junchurriki do what they want. Lady Tsunade was even nice enough to let him fight akatsuki.

Any one else would have made him stay in the village. Like Bee. And there would have been no going off alone to face Nagato. Tell me how could the other kage know he was coming in the village? It would have played out the same way with any other Kage!
no no no i never they could stop shinri tensei what i said was totally different

why would they make him stay a true shinobi doesnt hide and run and thats not like naruto his the number 1 knuckle head ninja i he wouldnt listen anyway and do what he thinks is right.

she was nice enough? plz.. like i said naruto wouldnt listen

alone to face nagato? itachi was their and bee was their? and the rest idk what ur trying to say..
 

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Its not always about this charc vs that charc you know. She is the best medical ninja in narutoverse. She pioneered a medical ninja with every team. She has been invaluable to Konaha. Being hokage isnt sheer power, that is why Orochimaru wasnt chosen. kabuto wasnt an ordinary ninja by any means. He has dabbled into dark ninjutsu as much as Oro. She was tremendous help in pein arc, etc. She is a better hokage than Kakshi could be and he knows that.
What ^ he said! +rep
 

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no no no i never they could stop shinri tensei what i said was totally different
Your principal argument was that she got the village destroyed. If you didn't think the other kage could stop it either then why are you coming down on Lady Tsunade so hard?

why would they make him stay a true shinobi doesnt hide and run and thats not like naruto his the number 1 knuckle head ninja i he wouldnt listen anyway and do what he thinks is right.
Like I said the other kage wanted to shut him away for the duration of the war. The fight with Pain would be no different. In fact, since Bee is not in Konoha Naruto would probably be kept under the guard of elite Jonins to keep him from running off. There would be no escaping. And guess what? No Sage mode!

she was nice enough? plz.. like i said naruto wouldnt listen
Your assuming that he has the ability to do what he wants. He doesn't. For instance he wanted to speak to the Raikage. It was only possible because Yamato and Kakashi helped him get out of Konoha

alone to face nagato? itachi was their and bee was their? and the rest idk what ur trying to say..
I believe we were talking about his fight in Konoha. And you know what? I think your trolling me and Lady Tsunade. Just because someone doesn't show any feats doesn't mean their weak. SO6P hasn't shown any feats but we know he was the strongest ninja to ever exist. Your bias is pretty clear right now. The fact that the Jonins elected her and not Kakashi means that they recognized her as the superior ninja
 

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PAIN ARC
Tsunade did a much better job than kakashi during pain arc.
Kakashi simply fought Deva....... Where Tsunade protected the WHOLE VILLAGE, which protected Hinata, that if wasn't for that, Naruto would have been abducted easily by Deva path when he got his hands trapped on the ground by pain's pole.

SANNIN LOCKDOWN
When Tsunade fought Kabuto, Kabuto was a fresh shinobi which was used to fight, and over that he used a food pill, where Tsunade wasn't used to fighting for years, and had her hemophobia. If it wasn't for the Hemophobia, Kabuto would have gotten his face squashed. AND OVER THAT, Tsunade was alone in that moment she had to worry about saving chakra for oro too. AND IF YOU NOTICE IT, SHE DIDN'T USE KATSUYU.
Tsunade would have kicked Kabuto's butt BADLY!

After this, Tsunade fought an armless oro, which is NEARLY TO INMUNE TO PHISICAL DAMAGE........... WE ALL KNOW HOW RESISTANT ORO IS. And Tsunade with only her punches lay waste of oro even with the tension she had on her arms.

SASORI ARC.
Tsunade is the teacher of Sakura the only one who was able to figure out the antidote for Sasori's poison.

BEFORE STORY
Lady Chiyo, Hanzo recognizes Tsunade's skills.


TSUNADE IS LEGIT TO HER TITLE.
 
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Tsunade is not much of a fighter and shouldn't be considered kage level. She is the best medical ninja out there however but in battle prowess not so much. She got owned by Kabuto (lol seriously).

What feats does she hold besides healing people that make her kage level?(Besides Breast)
:rolleyes:

I lol'd at the fact she had the audacity to step to Pein

She should be running a hospital instead of a village.
Lets just throw this idea out there. Lets say that the invasion of pain happened when the 3rd or 4th hokage had been in power. How would that have turned out differently? Would as many people survived as they did? Yes, Pain did use the Naraka path to revive all those who had died, but think about the lives saved by Tsunade. She utilized that healing transmission technique to ENSURE that her villagers would be saved from an otherwise deadly attack.

(btw, when she stepped to Pain and went to challenge him, "I" assumed it was because she has a responsibility as the leader of her village to challenge any threat made. Would she have won? Meh...)

(another side-note: It is clear that Kabuto has never been all that he seems to be. He is DEFINITELY of Kage level in my book, so for there to be a battle comparison between the two is very unfair. We look back now, and think that she got whooped by him. But we really underestimated his skill when he first arrived. You mean to tell me Kabuto had developed all these skills, perfected the Impure World Resurrection, and implanted Orochimaru's cells in a two year time skip? Impossible. The skills he has are things he has been working on for as long as he's been with Oro, so when he is first introduced, we just know this guy is a medical genius like she is, not the extent of what he was actually capable of.)

The invasion of pain was merely a battle in a war. When fighting a WAR, the best way to win is to have all participate, learn from the BATTLE and continue on with the war utilizing the skills and mindset learned previously. This way, more villagers have experience in battle-scenarios, thus making its members stronger as a whole. Is she the strongest hokage ever? No. But thanks to her, all villagers participating from Konoha in the 4th Shinobi War are more capable soldiers than they would have been.

THAT is what makes her a good hokage. Not physical strength, but utilizing strong battle IQ to make the group, as a whole, stronger. Leadership.
 
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