A little crack? Are you assuming this? Just because he hit him from behind and you could not see the damages does not necessarily mean they were minor.
Also he was not in his V2.
According to Naruto, blocking Ay's punch felt like a million pound crashing against his arm, he blocked it with ease? I do not think so, moreover, did you even see how far he was sent flying? Also he was an edo so he could not feel pain.
Madara has the sharingan precognition plus he blocked the punch hence why it did not really damage him.
How will Tsunade predict where he is going to hit if her reaction speed is far inferior to Ay's? Not to mention she is slow.
Yes the Raikage is fast however it does not mean one cant react in time, the only people who could react to his speed were Sasuke,Naruto and Madara, what do all these people have in common? Exceptional speed and reflexes. Naruto has excellent reflexes and speed in top of that due to KCM, and both Sasuke and Madara have the sharingan, so they were able to react in time and protect themselves even if they could not dodge Ay's attacks, Tsunade would not be able to react to his speed in time, she will not even be able to block it as she has no way of knowing where he would direct his attacks, her reflexes are nowhere close to Naruto or Minato's level and she does not have the sharingan.
I do not understand how you think she can beat him if she can not touch him in the first place. It is clear that Ay is way out of her league.
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A vs. Tsunade
So it occurs to me that most people think A will simply speed blitz Tsunade cut off her head.
So will he do that the same way he did it Juugo?
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Madara?
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and even with the intent to kill he tried to use blunt force rather than cutting
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The fact is we’ve never seen him do that in a battle scenario and there is no reason to suggest he would. The Raikage is a wrestler. Beyond that even when he had Sasuke without Susanoo on, did he try that on Sasuke? No. Instead he picked Sasuke up to Liger bomb him.
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And if that was a skill possessed by Raikage then he wouldn’t have needed B to decapitate people with the double Lariat.
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In fact, if he tried the move the way you guys are suggesting Tsunade would just be lifted off the ground and she would fly backward the same way Raikage did against Bee’s Lariat.
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In order to decapitate Tsunade with force he would need to ensure she could not move backwards which is what Bee’s purpose was in the Lariat. So no, it will not be a speed blitz over battle. It will be a battle that drags on. This is problematic for A.
A has bijuu level chakra I’m aware. However, that didn’t stop him for conserving chakra against Madara.
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In fact had he been in V2 the whole time Madara would have never touched him. So in his need to conserve chakra, lies Tsunade’s method to defeat him. So allow me then to establish why Tsunade should be able to outperform him. When she uses Byakugou she keeps it active and does not deactivate it. Which is impressive and she needs to constantly keep chakra flowing through her cells and ready for regeneration.
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And that was for the minor injuries she received from Kabuto’s chakra scapel. So then, imagine the amount of chakra it took to regenerate several organs, bones, and blood.
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She did all of that regenerating after she was first stabbed and then took three yasaka magatamas when the same Magatamas nearly made it through Gaara and Oonoki's two layer defense.
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and was sent into solid stone breaking it apart.
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And she healed from all of that. She also healed from another two susanoo swords which would have destroyed or partially destroyed all organs except from the heart.
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And she healed from a Katon, that when its smaller variant only having one dragon head was used was enough to nearly fry Itachi, forceful enough to break through stone, and hot enough to heat up the atmosphere for Karin.
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And Tsunade tanked 5 of those heads.
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All of that in addition to battling 5 Susanoo clad Madara clones. And apparently holding her own.
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And while she didn’t seemingly put them down for the count she was able to temporarily subdue them which is more than Gaara or Mei can say. In addition, she healed three kage level shinobi’s and replenished their chakra reserves.
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. She also granted Oonoki with a great a chakra for his largest jinton when we are well aware that jinton is chakra demanding and that Oonoki was almost out of chakra. So clearly, Tsunade is a chakra monster. But perhaps we are thinking Tsunade underwent the Kakashi effect and just received a crap load of chakra for the war arc.
Well if we examine the incidents during Pein’s invasion, we will find that Tsunade summoned Katsuyu.
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When Jiraiya demonstrated that summoning large summons takes considerable chakra, in fact at one point Naruto had to rely on Kurama’s chakra to summon him.
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And when Jiraiya’s chakra forming ability was altered by Tsunade’s poison, he summoned a small toad.
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So summoning Katsuyu would require a nice chunk of Chakra. Then proceeded to have Katsuyu attach herself to most of the villagers and protect them and while Tsunade would use her chakra to heal them.
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And while she healed them for an extended period of time, she healed them all once more.
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Now the important thing to keep on mind here is firstly healing requires a lot of chakra. Secondly that the Allied Shinobi Force is comprised of 80,000 people divided between 6 groups.
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So that leaves about 13.3 thousand shinobi in Konoha and that would not even constitute all the villagers. Why would all of the village be the army People are still needed to perform all other everyday tasks of life. Which means Tsunade probably healed over 10 thousand people. She obviously did not treat them all, but the majority of them she did. So her chakra reserves are obviously incredible.
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Now it is not a question of Raikages Raiton Cloak Speed versus Tsunade, he outclasses her there obviously. However, he has not shown he can outclass her in Base. If we look at his speed feats in base it does not out class Tsunade. His blitz of Zetsu is lackluster when we consider that Zetsu was supposed to be watching 5 kages, Mifune, and 10 body guards.
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A blitzing him is that big of a deal. Also Tsunade successfully blitzed Shizune
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Madara’s clone
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. Together they were able to surprise KM Naruto and Bee
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. But most importantly Tsunade managed to cover more distance than a Base Raikage did.
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the point I'm making was that in Base Raikage did not make it as far as Tsunade did. So to say oh well he could have just blitzed Madara, if he was capable of such speed in base why was he unable to get to where Tsunade was faster than it took her to get there. In fact he only managed to jump slightly ahead of Oonoki.
Now I know you say Tsunade won’t be able to see Raikage. But Bee was able to see him in V1 without sharingan, Naruto was able to see him without sharingan
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, Minato was able to see him without Sharingan
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, Madara was able to see him. And Naruto in KM did not become a yellow flash until he moved faster than Raikage
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. Meaning Tsunade was able to visually keep up with Naruto and Raikage when he was V1. So in V1 keeping up with him visually should not be a problem. So what about reacting to him? Oonoki was able to use two jutsus while A was in v2. Super lightweight rock And Aggravated Rock techniques
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. So it stands to reason if Oonoki was use two jutsus then Tsunade could react with something that is not a jutsu. And even if she can’t react byakugou will take care of most of the damage. But A prefers not to use a lot of V2 during extended battles due to it seemingly using a lot of chakra. But in V1 his attacks are weak enough that Base Bee was unscathed.
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V1 Bee did not kill Sasuke or even break his ribcage rather it just removed the flesh from his chest.
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So it stands to reason that Base Bee is weaker than V1 Bee. And v1 Raikage is weaker than Base Bee therefore V1 Raikage is slow enough for Tsunade to see and weak enough for Tsunade to tank.
Now besides Raikage’s punches and chops he grapples. Grappling would pose an immediate disadvantage as that would require sustained contact against Tsunade in which Tsunade can more easily counter. And once Raikage goes into base not only is he slower but he’s weaker. Which means Tsunade would easily overpower base Raikage. And because he’s slower in base he couldn’t stop her from summoning Katsuyu. Katusyu shouldn’t have a problem hitting base raikage with acid, or overwhelming him with clones considering she was attached to over 10k villagers and some of her clones were still bigger than humans.
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I believe Tsunade would beat A and Oonoki with Tsunade beat Killer bee. Actually, both Tsunade AND Oonoki could solo A. Accept it and get on with your life.
this is not mine it belongs to Tazzilla88 but i wanted to share it because i can't explain how tsunade can win good as him haha
A vs. Tsunade
So it occurs to me that most people think A will simply speed blitz Tsunade cut off her head.
So will he do that the same way he did it Juugo?
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Madara?
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Naruto?
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and even with the intent to kill he tried to use blunt force rather than cutting
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Muu?
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The fact is we’ve never seen him do that in a battle scenario and there is no reason to suggest he would. The Raikage is a wrestler. Beyond that even when he had Sasuke without Susanoo on, did he try that on Sasuke? No. Instead he picked Sasuke up to Liger bomb him.
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And if that was a skill possessed by Raikage then he wouldn’t have needed B to decapitate people with the double Lariat.
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In fact, if he tried the move the way you guys are suggesting Tsunade would just be lifted off the ground and she would fly backward the same way Raikage did against Bee’s Lariat.
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In order to decapitate Tsunade with force he would need to ensure she could not move backwards which is what Bee’s purpose was in the Lariat. So no, it will not be a speed blitz over battle. It will be a battle that drags on. This is problematic for A.
A has bijuu level chakra I’m aware. However, that didn’t stop him for conserving chakra against Madara.
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In fact had he been in V2 the whole time Madara would have never touched him. So in his need to conserve chakra, lies Tsunade’s method to defeat him. So allow me then to establish why Tsunade should be able to outperform him. When she uses Byakugou she keeps it active and does not deactivate it. Which is impressive and she needs to constantly keep chakra flowing through her cells and ready for regeneration.
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And that was for the minor injuries she received from Kabuto’s chakra scapel. So then, imagine the amount of chakra it took to regenerate several organs, bones, and blood.
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She did all of that regenerating after she was first stabbed and then took three yasaka magatamas when the same Magatamas nearly made it through Gaara and Oonoki's two layer defense.
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and was sent into solid stone breaking it apart.
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And she healed from all of that. She also healed from another two susanoo swords which would have destroyed or partially destroyed all organs except from the heart.
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And she healed from a Katon, that when its smaller variant only having one dragon head was used was enough to nearly fry Itachi, forceful enough to break through stone, and hot enough to heat up the atmosphere for Karin.
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And Tsunade tanked 5 of those heads.
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All of that in addition to battling 5 Susanoo clad Madara clones. And apparently holding her own.
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And while she didn’t seemingly put them down for the count she was able to temporarily subdue them which is more than Gaara or Mei can say. In addition, she healed three kage level shinobi’s and replenished their chakra reserves.
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. She also granted Oonoki with a great a chakra for his largest jinton when we are well aware that jinton is chakra demanding and that Oonoki was almost out of chakra. So clearly, Tsunade is a chakra monster. But perhaps we are thinking Tsunade underwent the Kakashi effect and just received a crap load of chakra for the war arc.
Well if we examine the incidents during Pein’s invasion, we will find that Tsunade summoned Katsuyu.
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When Jiraiya demonstrated that summoning large summons takes considerable chakra, in fact at one point Naruto had to rely on Kurama’s chakra to summon him.
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And when Jiraiya’s chakra forming ability was altered by Tsunade’s poison, he summoned a small toad.
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So summoning Katsuyu would require a nice chunk of Chakra. Then proceeded to have Katsuyu attach herself to most of the villagers and protect them and while Tsunade would use her chakra to heal them.
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And while she healed them for an extended period of time, she healed them all once more.
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Now the important thing to keep on mind here is firstly healing requires a lot of chakra. Secondly that the Allied Shinobi Force is comprised of 80,000 people divided between 6 groups.
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So that leaves about 13.3 thousand shinobi in Konoha and that would not even constitute all the villagers. Why would all of the village be the army People are still needed to perform all other everyday tasks of life. Which means Tsunade probably healed over 10 thousand people. She obviously did not treat them all, but the majority of them she did. So her chakra reserves are obviously incredible.
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Now it is not a question of Raikages Raiton Cloak Speed versus Tsunade, he outclasses her there obviously. However, he has not shown he can outclass her in Base. If we look at his speed feats in base it does not out class Tsunade. His blitz of Zetsu is lackluster when we consider that Zetsu was supposed to be watching 5 kages, Mifune, and 10 body guards.
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A blitzing him is that big of a deal. Also Tsunade successfully blitzed Shizune
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, Kabuto .
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Madara’s clone
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. Together they were able to surprise KM Naruto and Bee
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. But most importantly Tsunade managed to cover more distance than a Base Raikage did.
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the point I'm making was that in Base Raikage did not make it as far as Tsunade did. So to say oh well he could have just blitzed Madara, if he was capable of such speed in base why was he unable to get to where Tsunade was faster than it took her to get there. In fact he only managed to jump slightly ahead of Oonoki.
Now I know you say Tsunade won’t be able to see Raikage. But Bee was able to see him in V1 without sharingan, Naruto was able to see him without sharingan
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, Minato was able to see him without Sharingan
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, Madara was able to see him. And Naruto in KM did not become a yellow flash until he moved faster than Raikage
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. Meaning Tsunade was able to visually keep up with Naruto and Raikage when he was V1. So in V1 keeping up with him visually should not be a problem. So what about reacting to him? Oonoki was able to use two jutsus while A was in v2. Super lightweight rock And Aggravated Rock techniques
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. So it stands to reason if Oonoki was use two jutsus then Tsunade could react with something that is not a jutsu. And even if she can’t react byakugou will take care of most of the damage. But A prefers not to use a lot of V2 during extended battles due to it seemingly using a lot of chakra. But in V1 his attacks are weak enough that Base Bee was unscathed.
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V1 Bee did not kill Sasuke or even break his ribcage rather it just removed the flesh from his chest.
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So it stands to reason that Base Bee is weaker than V1 Bee. And v1 Raikage is weaker than Base Bee therefore V1 Raikage is slow enough for Tsunade to see and weak enough for Tsunade to tank.
Now besides Raikage’s punches and chops he grapples. Grappling would pose an immediate disadvantage as that would require sustained contact against Tsunade in which Tsunade can more easily counter. And once Raikage goes into base not only is he slower but he’s weaker. Which means Tsunade would easily overpower base Raikage. And because he’s slower in base he couldn’t stop her from summoning Katsuyu. Katusyu shouldn’t have a problem hitting base raikage with acid, or overwhelming him with clones considering she was attached to over 10k villagers and some of her clones were still bigger than humans.
Do you honestly think I am going to read this? Also as pateuvasilu said she is the biggest Tsunade fanboy, facts are facts, Ay is more than capable of decapitating someone.
Do you honestly think I am going to read this? Also as pateuvasilu said she is the biggest Tsunade fanboy, facts are facts, Ay is more than capable of decapitating someone.
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I believe Tsunade would beat A and Oonoki with Tsunade beat Killer bee. Actually, both Tsunade AND Oonoki could solo A. Accept it and get on with your life.
Which guy? This one just copy pasted it, he proved nothing, I read some parts and it is merely biased toward Tsunade and contains a lot of logical fallacies. For instance he said Tsunade blitzed Kabuto who had his eyes closed. What does that prove exactly? That she can blitz people by catching them off guard? I stopped reading when he said that Ay can't decapitate someone because he is a wrestler, his arguments are beyond retarded.
Which guy? This one just copy pasted it, he proved nothing, I read some parts and it is merely biased toward Tsunade and contains a lot of logical fallacies. For instance he said Tsunade blitzed Kabuto who had his eyes closed. What does that prove exactly? That she can blitz people by catching them off guard? I stopped reading when he said that Ay can't decapitate someone because he is a wrestler, his arguments are beyond retarded.
Oh my *****NG GOD. I just _HATE_ it when people start calling others retards or some other turdfaces when there is a debate going on or you don't see eye to eye with someone. GEEZ. A little maturity. THANK YOU.
And besides those arguments were pretty good. A has never on screen decapitated a person.
Tsunade has enough speed and reflexes to grab that bastard and bash his skull in.
Tsunade > A.
Oh my *****NG GOD. I just _HATE_ it when people start calling others retards or some other turdfaces when there is a debate going on or you don't see eye to eye with someone. GEEZ. A little maturity. THANK YOU.
And besides those arguments were pretty good. A has never on screen decapitated a person.
Tsunade has enough speed and reflexes to grab that bastard and bash his skull in.
Tsunade > A.
Are you an idiot? I clearly said his arguments were retarded, I did not personally call him a retard.
So according to your logic, Tsunade would not be able to grab him since she has never done it in the manga? Because this is what you are implying by saying he can not decapitate someone.
Are her reflexes comparable to Minato or Naruto's? No
Does she have the sharingan? No
Is her speed comparable to Ay's or Minato's? No
Ay > Tsunade, just accept it. She does not stand a chance of winning, she is one of the weakest Kage that ever lived.
Are you an idiot? I clearly said his arguments were retarded, I did not personally call him a retard.
So according to your logic, Tsunade would not be able to grab him since she has never done it in the manga? Because this is what you are implying by saying he can not decapitate someone.
Are her reflexes comparable to Minato or Naruto's? No
Does she have the sharingan? No
Is her speed comparable to Ay's or Minato's? No
Ay > Tsunade, just accept it. She does not stand a chance of winning, she is one of the weakest Kage that ever lived.
Maybe I am an idiot then -_-'
Tsunade is stronger than A, Mei, Hiruzen, Gaara and current Tobirama (He lacks feats) AND is equal with Minato.
Let's just agree to disagree. This isn't going anywhere.
Maybe I am an idiot then -_-'
Tsunade is stronger than A, Mei, Hiruzen, Gaara and current Tobirama (He lacks feats) AND is equal with Minato.
Let's just agree to disagree. This isn't going anywhere.
She is not stronger than A or Gaara, let alone Minato, if she can not even touch Ay nor react to his attacks what makes you think she can touch Minato? Not to mention he has KCM now. Also in case you did not know she has 3.5 in speed in the databook, which is inferior to almost all akatsuki members except Hidan. It is even greatly inferior to Sasori who has never shown any speed feats. I wonder how many people besides you would agree that Tsunade > Minato, probably not many. Current Tobirama is absolutely featless I might give her that. So like I said earlier, she is one of the weakest Kage ever.
She is not stronger than A or Gaara, let alone Minato, if she can not even touch Ay nor react to his attacks what makes you think she can touch Minato? Not to mention he has KCM now. Also in case you did not know she has 3.5 in speed in the databook, which is inferior to almost all akatsuki members except Hidan. It is even greatly inferior to Sasori who has never shown any speed feats. I wonder how many people besides you would agree that Tsunade > Minato, probably not many. Current Tobirama is absolutely featless I might give her that. So like I said earlier, she is one of the weakest Kage ever.
She has been much more speedy than some ninjas with speed 4 and stuff.
And I never said she'd beat Minato, I see them as equals. Their strength in different areas. Neither can kill one another. Tsunade has better chances though.
Speed is overrated.
And she not one of the weakest Kage eves. Geez. But yeah. You can have your opinion, just let me have mine.
She is not stronger than A or Gaara, let alone Minato, if she can not even touch Ay nor react to his attacks what makes you think she can touch Minato? Not to mention he has KCM now. Also in case you did not know she has 3.5 in speed in the databook, which is inferior to almost all akatsuki members except Hidan. It is even greatly inferior to Sasori who has never shown any speed feats. I wonder how many people besides you would agree that Tsunade > Minato, probably not many. Current Tobirama is absolutely featless I might give her that. So like I said earlier, she is one of the weakest Kage ever.
Well obviously because Kishi didn't really give those characters very much screen time, but if Kishi says those characters are faster than her then it has to be considered as a fact.
She has been much more speedy than some ninjas with speed 4 and stuff.
And I never said she'd beat Minato, I see them as equals. Their strength in different areas. Neither can kill one another. Tsunade has better chances though.
Speed is overrated.
And she not one of the weakest Kage eves. Geez. But yeah. You can have your opinion, just let me have mine.
I beg to differ, she was outclassed in speed by part 1 Kabuto.
They are far from being equal, Minato is the fastest ninja ever, how is she going to land a blow on a teleporting guy with her poor speed? What do you mean he can't kill her? Minato could easily cut her head off with a kunai, his kunai slashes are powerful enough to cut Hachibi's tentacle. Minato beat her low diff.
Maybe I am an idiot then -_-'
Tsunade is stronger than A, Mei, Hiruzen, Gaara and current Tobirama (He lacks feats) AND is equal with Minato.
Let's just agree to disagree. This isn't going anywhere.
i agree with tsunade be stronger than ay mei gaara and no feats hiruzen and tobirama but she is not equal with minato IMO but im glad some people agree with me though=D
i agree with tsunade be stronger than ay mei gaara and no feats hiruzen and tobirama but she is not equal with minato IMO but im glad some people agree with me though=D
I beg to differ, she was outclassed in speed by part 1 Kabuto.
They are far from being equal, Minato is the fastest ninja ever, how is she going to land a blow on a teleporting guy with her poor speed? What do you mean he can't kill her? Minato could easily cut her head off with a kunai, his kunai slashes are powerful enough to cut Hachibi's tentacle. Minato beat her low diff.
most tsunade haters always bring kabuto and part1 feats and i would explain why she was having trouble with him but you already know don't you now your just listing irrelevant feats and disrespecting people who think other wise but i do agree minato>tsunade ps tsunade is not that slow damn everyone who underestimates her says that its only 3.5 its not that bad but she is slow compared to itachi minato sasuke naruto ay and etc but you making it sound like she can't dodge anything in a fight haha
most tsunade haters always bring kabuto and part1 feats and i would explain why she was having trouble with him but you already know don't you now your just listing irrelevant feats and disrespecting people who think other wise but i do agree minato>tsunade ps tsunade is not that slow damn everyone who underestimates her says that its only 3.5 its not that bad but she is slow compared to itachi minato sasuke naruto ay and etc but you making it sound like she can't dodge anything in a fight haha
Actually most fanboys always try to deny how how Tsunade got outclassed by Kabuto back in part 1 and desperately try to comes up with excuses but facts are still facts at the end of the day.
In actuality , she would not be able to dodge Ay's, Minato's or Nrauto's attacks because they are way too fast for her, why do you think Sasuke could not dodge any of Ay's attacks in his V2 and opted for a more defensive approach instead? Not to mention, Sasuke is infinitely faster than Tsunade. It is a well known fact. And finally he has the sharingan, and still could not dodge any of his attacks, what makes you think Tsunade stands a chance against Ay? She does not.
