Tsunade and Minato vs Killer Bee and A

[Bogard]

Because bijuudamas have killed bijuus before.

Notice i said BijuudamaS. With

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of

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, Hachibi

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, so 2 or 3 will definitely kill him. Not as if it will be important anyway. Like you can see on the last pic, he was so much out of haz, that Bee would have to reverse in base form for Hachibi to recover, which would be the moment where Minato will kill him

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Notice i said BijuudamaS. With

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of

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, Hachibi

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, so 2 or 3 will definitely kill him. Not as if it will be important anyway. Like you can see on the last pic, he was so much out of haz, that Bee would have to reverse in base form for Hachibi to recover, which would be the moment where Minato will kill him

Base Bee reacted and counteracted Full power Raiton no Yoroi A. Minato's shunshin isn't coming close to blitzing Bee when Minato barely reacted to a Young A's Full Power Raiton no Your Shunshin. Especially when a teenage Bee reacted to Hiriashin

Killer Bee also has stronger and better Kenjutsu which Minato can't defend against do to Raiton.

 

[Bogard]

Base Bee reacted and counteracted Full power Raiton no Yoroi A. Minato's shunshin isn't coming close to blitzing Bee when Minato barely reacted to a Young A's Full Power Raiton no Your Shunshin. Especially when a teenage Bee reacted to Hiriashin

Killer Bee also has stronger and better Kenjutsu which Minato can't defend against do to Raiton.

1- A was in his prime when he faced Minato since the current one is called a granpa by Naruto.
2- Bee and Minato were probably the same age since Minato during the war was probably 19-20 same age Bee was
3- Age is irrelevant in this manga. What count is abilities. It's not as if Minato directly died after facing them. I can also say he became lot stronger after that meeting, but all that is baseless. All that to say that mentioning age here is meaningless, especially when we know that even current Raikage thought Minato was unsurpassable and Bee trembled in fear just by hearing his name decades after
4- Bee never reacted to A's full speed. He only used his full speed when he wanted to test Naruto in the end, something that Bee self-noticed. Minato in the contrary not only reacted to A's full speed, but totally outclassed him in speed during a split of second where he was already reaching his nose

Overlooked point during that battle of speed:

Raikage used his maximal Shunshin speed to try to blitz and defeat Minato, but look. The guy closed the distance to the point he was already at this position:

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But look at this gif:

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Like you can see, in that brief moment, Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a three and come back on the kunai he threw an instant ago before A even went thru the kunai completely

We talk about someone who is probably as fast as lightning itself who was already near Minato's face, but Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a tree and come back on the kunai he just threw before the guy even had time to traverse de kunai completely. Do you realise how insane that feat was?

For example, it's as if someone tries to shoot a bullet at you, but when it's already reaching your face, you have time to throw a pencil above the bullet, teleport somewhere else and come back to the pencil you just threw before the bullet even traversed the pencil, wow

Minato's feat is even more impressive than Naruto's because where Naruto only dodged the attack, Minato even had time to prepare the counter-attack.

Minato's shunshin is so great that it even left the strongest characters like Hashirama and great shunshin users like Tobirama in the dust. He blitzed them so badly that he even got the time to circled around the Juubi to place his markings, go to a rock middle ocean around the battlefield to put another, come back to warp Juubi's Bijuudama, all that without no one on the battlefield who was staring at the Bijuudama in question noticed his presence

Bee would get blitzed plain and simple

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Its always fun seeing you try to bend the Manga in Minato's favor

1- A was in his prime when he faced Minato since the current one is called a granpa by Naruto.

Any evidence that he got slower? If anything he got faster. Naruto also calls Tsunade grandma and shes stronger than when she was younger.

2- Bee and Minato were probably the same age since Minato during the war was probably 19-20 same age Bee was

Its estimated that Minato was around Early 30's - Late 20's at his time of death, given that Kakashi was an early 14-15 when Obito attacked. Minato was not that young.

3- Age is irrelevant in this manga. What count is abilities. It's not as if Minato directly died after facing them. I can also say he became lot stronger after that meeting, but all that is baseless. All that to say that mentioning age here is meaningless, especially when we know that even current Raikage thought Minato was unsurpassable and Bee trembled in fear just by hearing his name decades after

Fear, more like excitment, nor does he say unsurpassable. He says unparralleled Shinobi. He's specifically refering to him as a Shinobi, that doesn't equate to how strong he is. This also goes to show that A doesn't know what he's talking about when Madara and Hashirama were famed Shinobi.

4- Bee never reacted to A's full speed. He only used his full speed when he wanted to test Naruto in the end, something that Bee self-noticed. Minato in the contrary not only reacted to A's full speed, but totally outclassed him in speed during a split of second where he was already reaching his nose

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Overlooked point during that battle of speed:

Raikage used his maximal Shunshin speed to try to blitz and defeat Minato, but look. The guy closed the distance to the point he was already at this position:

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But look at this gif:

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Like you can see, in that brief moment, Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a three and come back on the kunai he threw an instant ago before A even went thru the kunai completely

We talk about someone who is probably as fast as lightning itself who was already near Minato's face, but Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a tree and come back on the kunai he just threw before the guy even had time to traverse de kunai completely. Do you realise how insane that feat was?

For example, it's as if someone tries to shoot a bullet at you, but when it's already reaching your face, you have time to throw a pencil above the bullet, teleport somewhere else and come back to the pencil you just threw before the bullet even traversed the pencil, wow

Minato's feat is even more impressive than Naruto's because where Naruto only dodged the attack, Minato even had time to prepare the counter-attack.

Minato's shunshin is so great that it even left the strongest characters like Hashirama and great shunshin users like Tobirama in the dust. He blitzed them so badly that he even got the time to circled around the Juubi to place his markings, go to a rock middle ocean around the battlefield to put another, come back to warp Juubi's Bijuudama, all that without no one on the battlefield who was staring at the Bijuudama in question noticed his presence

Bee would get blitzed plain and simple

Completely going to ignore the gif as that was the Anime. In the manga it was a Kunai that Minato had tossed at the beggining of the confrontation. Your "feats" are also off screen, even if Tobrama admits inferiority.

The simply fact is that Bee in Base reacted and counteracted a character that Minato barely reacted to.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Its always fun seeing you try to bend the Manga in Minato's favor


Any evidence that he got slower? If anything he got faster. Naruto also calls Tsunade grandma and shes stronger than when she was younger.



Its estimated that Minato was around Early 30's - Late 20's at his time of death, given that Kakashi was an early 14-15 when Obito attacked. Minato was not that young.



Fear, more like excitment, nor does he say unsurpassable. He says unparralleled Shinobi. He's specifically refering to him as a Shinobi, that doesn't equate to how strong he is. This also goes to show that A doesn't know what he's talking about when Madara and Hashirama were famed Shinobi.

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Completely going to ignore the gif as that was the Anime. In the manga it was a Kunai that Minato had tossed at the beggining of the confrontation. Your "feats" are also off screen, even if Tobrama admits inferiority.

The simply fact is that Bee in Base reacted and counteracted a character that Minato barely reacted to.

Bee isn't faster/has better reflexes than Minato, lol.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Did I ever say he was faster? Jesus, people can't read. My point was that Minato cannot, and will not blitz him.

 

[Bogard]

Its always fun seeing you try to bend the Manga in Minato's favor

It's always fun to see you trying to underrate Minato

Any evidence that he got slower? If anything he got faster. Naruto also calls Tsunade grandma and shes stronger than when she was younger.

Any evidence he got faster? If not, then Stfu

Its estimated that Minato was around Early 30's - Late 20's at his time of death, given that Kakashi was an early 14-15 when Obito attacked. Minato was not that young.

According to Shukaku he was younger than Kakashi(who is 30) when he was Hokage. Shikaku who is from his generation was 25 during Kyubi's attack, so at the very most, even someone with no understand of the manga would realise that Minato died around 25. But according to ID-timeline estimation, it's more like he died

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, something you can also

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, and you can even easily come to that conclusion without a lot of work. Jiraya became Minato's sensei at 26 when Minato was 10(when he graduated according to databook). Jiraya was 50 in part1, so with a 16yo difference, it would mean, Minato would have been 34. 12years before was Kyubi's attack. So we have 34-12= 22, Minato's age

Fear, more like excitment, nor does he say unsurpassable. He says unparralleled Shinobi. He's specifically refering to him as a Shinobi, that doesn't equate to how strong he is. This also goes to show that A doesn't know what he's talking about when Madara and Hashirama were famed Shinobi.

Lol i like how you twist manga implication to make it go your way. We clearly see Bee trembling when hearing Minato's name. He feared him. Be a fan, not a fanboy. I don't even know if you do it on purpose or if you really understand what you're talking about.

These are the synonyms of unparalleled

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incomparable, inimitable, leading, matchless, nonpareil, number 1, optimum, out-of-sight, outstanding, paramount, peerless, perfect, preeminent, premium, prime, primo, principal, sans pareil, second to none, super, superlative, supreme, terrific, tops, tough, transcendent, unequaled, unparalleled, unrivaled, unsurpassed

He was clearly saying he saw no shinobi on Minato's level and thought no one could be on his level

Completely going to ignore the gif as that was the Anime. In the manga it was a Kunai that Minato had tossed at the beggining of the confrontation. Your "feats" are also off screen, even if Tobrama admits inferiority.

That gif you mention happened in the manga in case you forgot. Notice the difference in position between the kunai when it was near Raikage's knee and the one above his shoulder and it's easy to understand it's Minato who tossed that up. I only showed the gif to make the understanding easier. But of course, you'll still try to deny it

The simply fact is that Bee in Base reacted and counteracted a character that Minato barely reacted to.

Once again, Bee never reacted to A's full speed, something that Minato did and he didn't barely react to it. I already explained it. Don't look only what you want to look and understand the manga. If anything it's A the one who couldn't keep up as shown in the manga, but you could still continue to see what you like of course

 

[DemonicAvenger]

It's always fun to see you trying to underrate Minato

Oh here we go with this crap, If I dont think he wins then im a hater. I actually love Minato, I overrate him sometimes

Spoiler

My Top Ten Faves:

1. Naruto
2. Madara
3-7. Itachi/Gaara/Killer Bee/Minato (Tie)
8. Sasuke
9. Kakashi
10. Jiriaya

Any evidence he got faster? If not, then Stfu

I said "if anything". Quit putting words in my mouth.

According to Shukaku he was younger than Kakashi(who is 30) when he was Hokage. Shikaku who is from his generation was 25 during Kyubi's attack, so at the very most, even someone with no understand of the manga would realise that Minato died around 25. But according to ID-timeline estimation, it's more like he died

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, something you can also

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, and you can even easily come to that conclusion without a lot of work. Jiraya became Minato's sensei at 26 when Minato was 10(when he graduated according to databook). Jiraya was 50 in part1, so with a 16yo difference, it would mean, Minato would have been 34. 12years before was Kyubi's attack. So we have 34-12= 22, Minato's age

Note "Early 30s". Jiriaya was also 52 in part one, 54 in part two. Your explanation also, takes a lot of liberties. Kakashi wasn't the same age as Shikaku.

Lol i like how you twist manga implication to make it go your way. We clearly see Bee trembling when hearing Minato's name. He feared him. Be a fan, not a fanboy. I don't even know if you do it on purpose or if you really understand what you're talking about.

Cool story, Naruto was shaking when he fought Sasuke and labeled it as excitment when Sasuke jested.

Its also hilarious you having the nerve to call someone a fanboy.

These are the synonyms of unparalleled

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incomparable, inimitable, leading, matchless, nonpareil, number 1, optimum, out-of-sight, outstanding, paramount, peerless, perfect, preeminent, premium, prime, primo, principal, sans pareil, second to none, super, superlative, supreme, terrific, tops, tough, transcendent, unequaled, unparalleled, unrivaled, unsurpassed

He was clearly saying he saw no shinobi on Minato's level and thought no one could be on his level

Or you just interpreted that way. He specifically designates his abilities as a Shinobi, not his strength. Bijuu's arn't Shinobi if you want me to pull the "full on retard" card as well.

That gif you mention happened in the manga in case you forgot. Notice the difference in position between the kunai when it was near Raikage's knee and the one above his shoulder and it's easy to understand it's Minato who tossed that up. I only showed the gif to make the understanding easier. But of course, you'll still try to deny it

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The Kunai is behind A's back, Minato let go of it so he could use Hiriashin to return to A's back. Hiriashin is instant so the fact that he did it fast is meaningless.

Once again, Bee never reacted to A's full speed, something that Minato did and he didn't barely react to it. I already explained it. Don't look only what you want to look and understand the manga. If anything it's A the one who couldn't keep up as shown in the manga, but you could still continue to see what you like of course

Then why does Minato have a look of

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on his face. He just barely reacted to it.

 

[Bogard]

Oh here we go with this crap, If I dont think he wins then im a hater. I actually love Minato, I overrate him sometimes

Yeah and Bee is my favourite character lol

Note "Early 30s". Jiriaya was also 52 in part one, 54 in part two. Your explanation also, takes a lot of liberties. Kakashi wasn't the same age as Shikaku.

You understood nothing at all. Never said Shikaku was the same age as Kakashi. I said during Kyubi's attack, Shikaku was 25, which means that 12years later(in part1), he was 37. Kakashi being 26-27 in part1, it would mean he was 10years older than Kakashi. And no, Jiraya was 50 in part1 according to the databook, but since i don't want to check it now, i'll give you the link from narutopedia:

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Its also hilarious you having the nerve to call someone a fanboy.

Don't act as if you were not a Bee fanboy when it's clear as day it's the case. You said it yourself, he is one of your favs

Or you just interpreted that way. He specifically designates his abilities as a Shinobi, not his strength. Bijuu's arn't Shinobi if you want me to pull the "full on retard" card as well.

Damn, so you actually can't read? Or are you trying to contradict with basic English language? It's even worse than i thought

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The Kunai is behind A's back, Minato let go of it so he could use Hiriashin to return to A's back. Hiriashin is instant so the fact that he did it fast is meaningless.

I hope this pic will make you realise how much wrong you are:

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Do you see the position of the kunai in Minato's hand? It's near Raikage's knee. How in hell did the kunai managed to go over Raikage's shoulder(bottom panel) without smh going up if Minato left it behind?. At best, it would have remained at the same place(near Raikage's knee), at worse, it would have fall on the ground

 

[SonTj]

team 1 takes this imo in all senerios but i don't know about 3
minato>ay and bee anyway
tsunade>ay extreme difficulty

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Yeah and Bee is my favourite character lol

So your trying to tell me that I dont like a character? Seems legit.

You understood nothing at all. Never said Shikaku was the same age as Kakashi. I said during Kyubi's attack, Shikaku was 25, which means that 12years later(in part1), he was 37. Kakashi being 26-27 in part1, it would mean he was 10years older than Kakashi. And no, Jiraya was 50 in part1 according to the databook, but since i don't want to check it now, i'll give you the link from narutopedia:

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If you want to keep arguing over 2 years then so be it. That doesn't make your estimate anymore accurate.

Don't act as if you were not a Bee fanboy when it's clear as day it's the case. You said it yourself, he is one of your favs

And? So what? I know when he loses and when he doesn't. You clearly dont know that about Minato.

Damn, so you actually can't read? Or are you trying to contradict with basic English language? It's even worse than i thought

My problems not with the word. Its with A. Hashirama and Madara were both world renowned and its absolutely silly to think that Minato is above them. Statements mean jack without feats to back them up, so go ahead and keeping arguing this if you want. Doesn't change the fact that Minato loses.

I hope this pic will make you realise how much wrong you are:

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Do you see the position of the kunai in Minato's hand? It's near Raikage's knee. How in hell did the kunai managed to go over Raikage's shoulder without going up if Minato left it behind?

Yet again, and? It didn't need move far up as A kept moving forward. Your still putting words in my mouth as I said never said that Minato didn't "move" it up. Doesn't change the fact that he barely reacted.

 

[NarutoKage2]

To the op:
you might as well make the following threads as well:
-hebi sasuke vs itachi and sakura
-ems madara +kyuubi vs hashirama and tobirama
-part1 lee vs part 1 gaara and temari
-part 1 neji vs part 1 naruto and hinata

If you get my drift.....

 

[Bogard]

So your trying to tell me that I dont like a character? Seems legit.

No i actually like Bee as well

If you want to keep arguing over 2 years then so be it. That doesn't make your estimate anymore accurate.

Nothing surprising coming from someone who doesn't even try to understand

And? So what? I know when he loses and when he doesn't. You clearly dont know that about Minato.

You're the one not knowing when he loses then since it's clear as day he loses to Minato. Asks Kishi and he will tell you the same thing

My problems not with the word. Its with A. Hashirama and Madara were both world renowned and its absolutely silly to think that Minato is above them. Statements mean jack without feats to back them up, so go ahead and keeping arguing this if you want. Doesn't change the fact that Minato loses.

Well you can still argue against manga if you want

Yet again, and? It didn't need move far up as A kept moving forward. Your still putting words in my mouth as I said never said that Minato didn't "move" it up. Doesn't change the fact that he barely reacted.

Oh well if you didn't say that, why were you trying to refuse the fact displayed by the gif i posted then? In that gif we clearly see Minato tossing the kunai up exactly what i'm trying to explain. And since it happened, it change things dramatically in terms of comprehension, on the contrary of what you think, since like i've said,

Overlooked point during that battle of speed:

Raikage used his maximal Shunshin speed to try to blitz and defeat Minato, but look. The guy closed the distance to the point he was already at this position:

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But look at this gif:

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Like you can see, in that brief moment, Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a three and come back on the kunai he threw an instant ago before A even went thru the kunai completely

We talk about someone who is probably as fast as lightning itself who was already near Minato's face, but Minato had time to throw a kunai above him, teleport to a tree and come back on the kunai he just threw before the guy even had time to traverse de kunai completely. Do you realise how insane that feat was?

For example, it's as if someone tries to shoot a bullet at you, but when it's already reaching your face, you have time to throw a pencil above the bullet, teleport somewhere else and come back to the pencil you just threw before the bullet even traversed the pencil, wow

Minato's feat is even more impressive than Naruto's because where Naruto only dodged the attack, Minato even had time to prepare the counter-attack.

It's A the one who couldn't keep up with Minato's speed and needed Bee's help to survive

 

[DemonicAvenger]

No i actually like Bee as well

Your comment was obviouslt sarcastic

Nothing surprising coming from someone who doesn't even try to understand

Don't worry, I share the same sentiment about you.

You're the one not knowing when he loses then since it's clear as day he loses to Minato. Asks Kishi and he will tell you the same thing

Base Bee using only a Hachibi tail already stalmated him. Are you the TheSage's Alt, because noone else claims they know Kishi's opinion so much.

Well you can still argue against manga if you want

I'll take that as a concession on your part. In no way does his statment make Bee weaker than Minato.

Oh well if you didn't say that, why were you trying to refuse the fact displayed by the gif i posted then? In that gif we clearly see Minato tossing the kunai up exactly what i'm trying to explain. And since it happened, it change things dramatically in terms of comprehension, on the contrary of what you think, since like i've said,

Its clear that was the fashion in which Minato teleported behind him, but your using the anime and that specific motion was offscreen.

The manga clearly shows Minato with a face of terror, he managed to give the Kunai an upward momentum at the last second but he barely reacted. Your still not understanding that when i say that Minato barely reacted, im reffering to his own speed and reactions. Using Hiriashin in succesion doesn't mean he was faster nor that A couldn't keep up with his speed, when in reality, it Minato can barely react to A's.

And your statment that his feat was better than Naruto's is laughable at best.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The only reason why Minato barely reacted was that he didn't expected Ay is so fast.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

The only reason why Minato barely reacted was that he didn't expected Ay is so fast.

Baseless .........

 

[TheEvilOne]

Baseless .........

Still a better explanation than Bogards or yours

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Still a better explanation than Bogards or yours

Its official. I need to go shave my head.

The Idiocy on Narutobase has given me cancer.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Its official. I need to go shave my head.

The Idiocy on Narutobase has given me cancer.

You should delete your account than. No one holds you back.

 

[Gakido]

Yea... Bee solo's all the scenarios

You should delete your account than. No one holds you back.

Someone has to keep the retards in check. May as well be him to stay and do it.