Tsunade>3 tomoe itachi correct?

Tsunade>3 Tomoe itachi

  • Tsunade destroys even MS

    Votes: 43 18.9%
  • That first option is completely stupid

    Votes: 53 23.2%
  • Itachi MS or not beats tsunade Everyday

    Votes: 109 47.8%
  • Theyre equal..

    Votes: 23 10.1%

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Chatte

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what exactly does the medical skills do to differ the outcome of getting sliced?
Getting sliced by what?

has been stated that the jutsu is to powerful and to fast for one to break from it or even get an oponent to send chakra inot their body.
She has the Yin seal where she stores chakra and it has been shown that she doesn't need any type of movement to release the seal and let the chakra flow into her.

As I stated before, the jutsu has to do with chakra disturbing.
For a character that doesn't have perfect control over his chakra it could work, but Tsunade is praised in the manga for having perfect chakra control.
So if she can control her chakra perfectly, how can it be disrupted?

It's like you try to move a piece of wood with bear hands, but when you try to move a tree, you cannot do it because of its roots.

As well she is a medical ninja and knows how the brain works, shockwaves and such. Also she is mentally powerful as she could overcome her fear of blood.
 

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Your argument is invalid as you tend to overlook on my arguments regarding her feats as a medical ninja and the requirements for a genjutsu to work.

We are having a discussion here based on requirements and feats.
I already proved you how she could even break from Tsukyomi even though I admitted I am not 100% sure. In a logical manner it should be able to work.
Ok the op said 3 Tomoe but if u want to include tsukyomi fine, all that is needed with tsukyomi is 1 sec and then it's game over

Healing has nothing to do with escaping genjutsu it is only hinted that healers have good chakra control and are able to break genjutsu but itachi is special orochimaru once against is an example even though he is not a healer he has excellent chakra control but didn't realize he was in a genjutsu until itachi made it evident. Healers are not automatically immune to genjutsu.
 
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Who the hell said tsunade could regenerate an arm or her head if they were cut off. Are you joking. that would make her Oro and he can only do that because he used forbidden jutsu on himself
idk really. originally i believed she would get caught in genjutsu and with that slowing down her movements in reality, it would leave an opening for itachi to cut her up or simply deceive her with more genjutsus. genjutsu after genjutsu wont finish the match but i think that could leave enough downtime for itachi to slice and dice. im not sure though if being a medical ninja/having good chakra control/katsuyu will prevent from itachi having his way
 

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Who the hell said tsunade could regenerate an arm or her head if they were cut off. Are you joking. that would make her Oro and he can only do that because he used forbidden jutsu on himself
I don't know who said that. But once you're close to Tsunade you can't touch her because a single blitz from her could send you meters away. Or she could interchange your brain shockwaves and change the responsive movements as she did with Kabuto. By only a simple touch.


6/10 is pretty fair imo. idk why though kunais are seen as useless in this fight after one has been casted in genjutsu. could tsunade heal if shes chopped up?
Who could chopp her up? People tend to forget that as her primary skills are the evasive ones. And the secondary ones, medical, are unmatched in the Narutoverse.

Considering Konoha had constant attacks from the uchiha it is possible he developed a counter similar to how gai developed his not saying they are the same but just because she is senju doesn't mean she is supposedly immune to genjutsu
Another special thing about itachi is that opponents don't realize when they are in genjutsu once again orochimaru was used as an example he also as finger genjutsu
The way I see it only someone with sharingan can stand up to otachi's genjutsu if they are caught.
She is the second who could get to the same level of healing as Hashirama.
That was stated and praised by Madara himself, the antagonist no. 1 in Narutoverse.
Yes, a regular opponent won't notice it because it has to do with chakra control, but Tsunade having perfect chakra control I am sure she would notice in a blitz.
People also tend to forget that she knows or can read the pattern of her oponents as she teached Sakura to. Chyio praised Sakura for starting reading the patterns of Sasori's movements herself, not even a single help from Chyio.
If Sakura who is a genin can do that, imagine Tsunade.
That's the way you see it, not necessarily the outcome as the feats presented by Kishimoto for Tsunade show that genjutsu/tsukyiomi can be countered.
 

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Ok the op said 3 Tomoe but if u want to include tsukyomi fine, all that is needed with tsukyomi is 1 sec and then it's game over

Healing has nothing to do with escaping genjutsu it is only hinted that healers have good chakra control and are able to break genjutsu but itachi is special orochimaru once against is an example even though he is not a healer he has excellent chakra control but didn't realize he was in a genjutsu until itachi made it evident. Healers are not automatically immune to genjutsu.
Agree. Tsukyomi cannot be stopped by anyone once caught. As for other genjutsu, Itachi is the number one genjutsu user in the series. Iam sure his full power three tomoe sharingan genjutsu is not easy to escape.
 

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Agree. Tsukyomi cannot be stopped by anyone once caught. As for other genjutsu, Itachi is the number one genjutsu user in the series. Iam sure his full power three tomoe sharingan genjutsu is not easy to escape.
Way i see it Only a sharingan user can stand up to his genjutsu if they are caught in it but tsunade's healing tech is a factor to consider but other may develop other means of avoiding it (gai etc)
 

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I don't know who said that. But once you're close to Tsunade you can't touch her because a single blitz from her could send you meters away. Or she could interchange your brain shockwaves and change the responsive movements as she did with Kabuto. By only a simple touch.




Who could chopp her up? People tend to forget that as her primary skills are the evasive ones. And the secondary ones, medical, are unmatched in the Narutoverse.



She is the second who could get to the same level of healing as Hashirama.
That was stated and praised by Madara himself, the antagonist no. 1 in Narutoverse.
Yes, a regular opponent won't notice it because it has to do with chakra control, but Tsunade having perfect chakra control I am sure she would notice in a blitz.
People also tend to forget that she knows or can read the pattern of her oponents as she teached Sakura to. Chyio praised Sakura for starting reading the patterns of Sasori's movements herself, not even a single help from Chyio.
If Sakura who is a genin can do that, imagine Tsunade.
That's the way you see it, not necessarily the outcome as the feats presented by Kishimoto for Tsunade show that genjutsu/tsukyiomi can be countered.
I have brought up feats backed up by the manga and I have said this multiple times itachi is special he is not like other and by your logic kabuto's white rage genjutsu would be ineffective against her and so should tsukyomi but that is false
 

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Ok the op said 3 Tomoe but if u want to include tsukyomi fine, all that is needed with tsukyomi is 1 sec and then it's game over

Healing has nothing to do with escaping genjutsu it is only hinted that healers have good chakra control and are able to break genjutsu but itachi is special orochimaru once against is an example even though he is not a healer he has excellent chakra control but didn't realize he was in a genjutsu until itachi made it evident. Healers are not automatically immune to genjutsu.
You forget her blitzing. Even in state of advanced degradation when one of Pein's paths went on to take her she already reacted very quick raising her hand meaning her reaction speed is very fast. And if that was on a degraded level, on a healthier state it shows the possibity of her being even faster.

I didn't said healing, I said perfect chakra control.

Yes, the same Orochimaru that admitted that Tsunade is the only one who could heal him or kill him.
 

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honestly tsunade is essentially all taijutsu , with medical influences like being able to scramble someones nervous system, but 3 tomoe sharingan predicts moves so well that i dont think shell land a hit, but you have to keep in mind she has katsuya, im not sure how a 3 tomoe itachi takes down that summon besides amatersu/susanoo, but hes a master in genjutsu as well aside from ms, it may not even make it to the point where tsunade would summon katsuya , shes has excellent chakra control but would she be able to break herself out of a 3 tomoe genjutsu? possibly but itachi would use that opening to take her out. in the end i think itachi can take her but if she summons katsuya he would have to use ms, or be brilliant like he is, whatever xd
 

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@chatte couldnt a kunai slice her still? like after genjutsu in a manner that orochimaru got his hand cut off?

she may have the medical skills, chakra control, and katsuyu possibly by her side if itachi allowed that to be summoned early on without already casting genjutsu in his fashinable manner; but how do those things help her from being sliced? the genjutsu would naturally slow her down wouldnt it? even if she has help to get out, will she be able to see the next casted genjutsus? itachi doesnt just end after one i wouldnt think. i look at how he and sasuke fought strictly genjutsu. he stopped because sasuke was able to see through it with his sharingan. is tsunade also seeing it through as quickly as sasuke? if so then i would say nevermind to the slicing.
 

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its a Special genjutsu and You need a sharingan to Break it
To combat the effects of Genjutsu, there are two options.

The first option is for the ninja to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the casters chakra.

The second option is to have an outside ninja unaffected by the Genjutsu make body contact, and use their chakra to disrupt the casters flow.

Thanks to her perfect chakra control and her seal Tsunade doesn't need an outside source.

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed, trapping the target within an illusion completely under the user's control.

Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target.

This results in the victim suffering psychological trauma that incapacitates them for a considerable period of time. After Itachi used it on Kakashi in Part I, Kisame was surprised that Kakashi's mind was still intact.

Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.
 

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You forget her blitzing. Even in state of advanced degradation when one of Pein's paths went on to take her she already reacted very quick raising her hand meaning her reaction speed is very fast. And if that was on a degraded level, on a healthier state it shows the possibity of her being even faster.

I didn't said healing, I said perfect chakra control.

Yes, the same Orochimaru that admitted that Tsunade is the only one who could heal him or kill him.
Blitz is impossible for tsunade in this match so is her taijutsu the sharingan counter them.
Orochimaru has perfect chakra control yet he got caught he has a solid 5 in genjutsu This are feats that can't be ignored.
 

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You forget her blitzing. Even in state of advanced degradation when one of Pein's paths went on to take her she already reacted very quick raising her hand meaning her reaction speed is very fast. And if that was on a degraded level, on a healthier state it shows the possibity of her being even faster.

I didn't said healing, I said perfect chakra control.

Yes, the same Orochimaru that admitted that Tsunade is the only one who could heal him or kill him.
Blitz is impossible for tsunade in this match so is her taijutsu the sharingan counter them.
Orochimaru has perfect chakra control yet he got caught he has a solid 5 in genjutsu These are feats that can't be ignored.
 

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3t itachi mid diff he still has his 3t tomeo sharigan which is still strong even orichimaru lost to his 3t genjutsu

all itachi has to do is use a paralysis genjutsu on her just. Like orochimaru

not to mention he can control her slug just like sasuke did manda
 
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