Tsukuyomi solos Obito

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Call me when Itachi can control perfect jins/Kages for years.

By feats, Obito has stronger genjutsu.

and when in the story Itachi should do this and then even failed doing so? Yet Nagato said one of the plans was to cast Itachis genjutsu and win the war just like that.........
 

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Damn your argunent is not even worth my replie.
Read the manga again ,son, if you still think Sasuke break it on his own.........

Damn your rep bar isnt even worth negging
Read the manga from the beginning to current then make threads you sorry excuse for a troll
 

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That has no bearing on the fact that the Genjutsu was already cast, and that Bee broke out of it. That warning only applied to future Genjutsu attempts, not one that had already occurred.



And Naruto fully understands the machinations of Tsukuyomi, of course, despite having never been cast in it nor possesses a Sharingan.

Fact of the matter is that any Genjutsu requires you to overwhelm the opponent's illusory defenses, and the only reason it worked so easily was because Part 1 Kakashi and a 5 year old Sasuke had pathetic illusory defenses compared to Itachi.

Hebi Sasuke showed that Itachi cannot simply Tsukuyomi a competent target and call it a day; he has to overwhelm the opposition's defenses, and will be rendered immobile, unable to capitalize on any openings until said illusory defenses have been defeated. The same is shown with Kakashi vs. Obito, where neither fighter moved until the Genjutsu was over.

And now you just arguing with a manga. why even warn him if he can do it on his own??
 

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And now you just arguing with a manga. why even warn him if he can do it on his own??

I am not arguing with the manga. I am stating a fact.

I also forgot to mention that Naruto warning Bee is irrelevant to the point you are making. Bee does not have a Sharingan, thus does not have Genjutsu resistance. He has a passive immunity to Genjutsu, unlike Sharingan users, who can actively fight back against the Genjutsu.

Bee simply breaks out of Genjutsu; he does not "resist" it. A Sharingan user, on the other hand, can "fight back" and resist Genjutsu attempts.

It's also ironic that you take Naruto's words as indisputable fact when he said "you get hit by Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu and you are dead" despite the fact that Bee had already countered and escaped Amaterasu in the past.
 
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Damn your rep bar isnt even worth negging
Read the manga from the beginning to current then make threads you sorry excuse for a troll

Wash your mouth first then talk with me, but even thats a bit too hard for ya
 

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I am not arguing with the manga. I am stating a fact.

I also forgot to mention that Naruto warning Bee is irrelevant to the point you are making. Bee does not have a Sharingan, thus does not have Genjutsu resistance. He has a passive immunity to Genjutsu, unlike Sharingan users, who can actively fight back against the Genjutsu.

Bee simply breaks out of Genjutsu; he does not "resist" it. A Sharingan user, on the other hand, can "fight back" and resist Genjutsu attempts.

Again why even warn Bee for " FUTURE ATTEMPTS" if he can break it on his own?
 

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Again why even warn Bee for " FUTURE ATTEMPTS" if he can break it on his own?

And why say "you get hit by Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu and you are dead" despite the fact that Bee had already gotten hit with, countered, and escaped Amaterasu in the past? Naruto's words are not indisputable fact.
 

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And why say "you get hit by Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu and you are dead" despite the fact that Bee had already gotten hit with, countered, and escaped Amaterasu in the past? Naruto's words are not indisputable fact.

Amaterasu but not Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi > Ama
 

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Amaterasu but not Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi > Ama

So basically, you link a sentence that you think supports your statement, then realize that it doesn't, and then change your argument and say that only half of the sentence is relevant because it agrees with your claims? Consistency at its finest.

If half the statement is false, why would the other half be true? Naruto is not an expert of the Mangekyo Sharingan and is not at all the top source of information. He states that if Bee is hit with "Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, he is dead," yet Bee has countered Amaterasu before. If part of the sentence has been proven to be false, then it is unreliable.

Naruto's statement was purely hype and had no basis.
 

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So basically, you link a sentence that you think supports your statement, then realize that it doesn't, and then change your argument and say that only half of the sentence is relevant because it agrees with your claims? Consistency at its finest.

If half the statement is false, why would the other half be true? Naruto is not an expert of the Mangekyo Sharingan and is not at all the top source of information. He states that if Bee is hit with "Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, he is dead," yet Bee has countered Amaterasu before. If part of the sentence has been proven to be false, then it is unreliable.

Naruto's statement was purely hype and had no basis.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are two different things. Bee has alot counters for Ama but agaist Tsukuyomi i dont see any.
 

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Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are two different things.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi being two different things isn't the point, and neither was it the point you were initially making.

You first put your complete faith in Naruto's statement, saying "why would Naruto say that if it weren't true." Upon me pointing out that Bee has countered Amaterasu, you backpedaled, stating that only the Tsukuyomi part of the statement is true. That makes no sense, because if part of the statement is false, then the statement itself is unreliable.

You do not have a consistent argument if you are picking and choosing what part of the source material you believe to be true, and then ignore the rest because it proves to be inconvenient to your side of the argument.

Bee has alot counters for Ama but agaist Tsukuyomi i dont see any.

You don't have to see them for them to exist. Even the partner method with the Hachibi might suffice.
 

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Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi being two different things isn't the point, and neither was it the point you were initially making.

You first put your complete faith in Naruto's statement, saying "why would Naruto say that if it weren't true." Upon me pointing out that Bee has countered Amaterasu, you backpedaled, stating that only the Tsukuyomi part of the statement is true. That makes no sense, because if part of the statement is false, then the statement itself is unreliable.

You do not have a consistent argument if you are picking and choosing what part of the source material you believe to be true, and then ignore the rest because it proves to be inconvenient to your side of the argument.



You don't have to see them for them to exist. Even the partner method with the Hachibi might suffice.

Im using possible counters for every jutsu. Bee has no counters for Tsukuyomi cuz he cant break it faster than 1sec.
 
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