Tsukuyomi isn't always a one-shot attack. It depends on many factors

[Bogard]

I invite everyone to read this thread until the end

In this thread, i would like to point out how tsukuyomi really works and why i believe it could be ineffectiv against some people

Itachi used a normal tsukuyomi on young Sasuke:

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But Sasuke was still able to talk, get up and even attack Itachi

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The duration of this tsukuyomi isn't mentioned, but judging by the fact that Itachi turned off his sharingan directly after, plus the fact that even after receiving the mental damage, Sasuke got up and still continued to fight like it was nothing, i believe it wasn't very long(either because Itachi couldn't control the duration of his tsukuyomi well back then or because of the chakra level it requires to control it during a specific duration). Notice that the tsukuyomi wasn't enough to create a mental damage on Sasuke. I believe it's because the duration of the tsukuyomi wasn't long enough(much more smaller than the one he used years after against the same Sasuke) since he used the same tsukuyomi(but much more longer) against a older Sasuke and it did cause the mental break down

Itachi used a 72h tsukuyomi on Kakashi:

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But Kakashi was still able to get up, and talk with Itachi for a while:

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He then used a 24h tsukuyomi on Sasuke later:

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because of the mental breakdown caused by those images he didn't want to see and

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hearing Itachi's words

What does it mean? I will explain. Tsukuyomi is a jutsu used to cause a mental breakdown in the opponent's mind like Kisame explains

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. So the fact that Sasuke was able to get up and attack after that, the fact that Kakashi was able to get up and talk for a while before collapsing is because they were able to hold their own a bit and resist a bit to the mental breakdown, which means that if Itachi uses a tsukuyomi to torture a opponent like Hidan for example, since Hidan usually enjoys being stabbed, enjoy all those things, tsukuyomi should cause no mental breakdown on him simply because he would in the contrary enjoy it. Now if Itachi uses tsukuyomi for another purpose, who knows?

But anyway it's just to show that for a tsukuyomi to work against an opponent, it depends on which way Itachi decides to create his illusion during that interval of time, and also depends on the opponent's will

In Sasuke's case for example, you must take into consideration the fact that Itachi knows his brother. It's for that reason that he created that special Tsukuyomi where he could revive his parents death for a continuous 24h.

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Knowing that Sasuke won't like to see again and again his parents dead(like a every normal child), he knew that using tsukuyomi in this way would have broken his mind easier. But since he doesn't know people like Kakashi very well, he doesn't know what would make his mental breakdown easier, he created an illusion where he sees himself stabbed for 72h in continue, and it's normal since no one would like to be stabbed, badly wounded, or killed, so it was the least he could do. It means that i believe that if Itachi faces an opponent he doesn't know well, he would most likely create an illusion of torture. Now whether it would work depends on the opponent since like i've said, someone like Hidan may in the contrary enjoy it

So basically, for a tsukuyomi to succeed it depends on the opponents will of power, it depends on the illusion Itachi decides to use and also the duration of the tsukuyomi in question(if it's not long enough, it may not cause the mental damage. I believe it's for that reason why it didn't cause it on young Sasuke)

Hope you enjoyed reading U_U

 

[sage22]

Only another uchiha with a fully mature sharigan stand a chance against itachi tsukuyomi

 

[Owarij]

You realize itachi chooses how long the duration of tsukyomi is depending on the ninja and how much he thinks they can take... Kakashi he did 72 hours.... enough to put him out of the fight, but NOT kill him..as kakashi said.. For sasuke he did 24 hours...being a kid he could probably take much less torture than a trained adult like kakashi....

Regardless.. we've never seen what Itachi would be willing to do with full intent to kill.. The fact that he stated in tsukyomi realm he has NO limitations and that he's basically god of that realm... shows that if he did go with full intent to kill, he easily could

 

[Reaper]

I think you can kill someone in Tsukuyomi
DIdnt they make an analogy that if you die in a genjutsu your body reacts to it and you can die in the real world

tbh I did not read all of it casue i am tired and would probably missunderstand so this is just my memory talking
I will read it later tho since you did make that nice jiraiya thread

 

[Bogard]

You realize itachi chooses how long the duration of tsukyomi is depending on the ninja and how much he thinks they can take... Kakashi he did 72 hours.... enough to put him out of the fight, but NOT kill him..as kakashi said.. For sasuke he did 24 hours...being a kid he could probably take much less torture than a trained adult like kakashi....

Regardless.. we've never seen what Itachi would be willing to do with full intent to kill.. The fact that he stated in tsukyomi realm he has NO limitations and that he's basically god of that realm... shows that if he did go with full intent to kill, he easily could

Read the thread until the end. I already talked about the duration of the tsukuyomi, but the duration of the tsukuyomi isn't what is that really important. Not saying it's not important since with time it becomes so, but what is more important is the illusion itself, if the illusion can cause the mental breakdown against the opponent in question or not. Maybe you should read the thread to understand better

 

[Killer B]

Nice thread you pointed out some good things

The jutsu does not kill but it is mental and after three days of being tortured or having your worst nightmare realized that is if Itachi has some info on the person or he does something like what he did to Deidara where the person does not know they are even in a genjutsu...A lot of it comes down to what Itachi wants to do and if he has the intent to kill

Now that we know Itachi was a friend to the leaf he might have been holding back all of those times he used Tsukuyomi because he didnt want to kill someone like Kakashi who is one of the strongest in the leaf and can protect the leaf

We will never really know if Itachi was holding back or if he ever had the intent to kill when he was fighting these people with Tsukuyomi

 

[Overrated]

Not an Itachi fanboy or even an Uchiha fanboy, but Itachi didn't use Tsukuyomi to try to kill Kakashi and obviously not Sasuke. He merely tortured Kakashi, and I think we all can agree on the fact that if he had wanted to he would of been able to kill him easily at least at that point in the manga. And Sasuke was pretty much set up to succeed against him.

 

[Owarij]

Read the thread until the end. I already talked about the duration of the tsukuyomi, but the duration of the tsukuyomi isn't what is that really important. Not saying it's not important since with time it becomes so, but what is more important is the illusion itself, if the illusion can cause the mental breakdown against the opponent in question or not. Maybe you should read the thread to understand better

I read the thread, you talked about ever ninja having different tolerance levels for pain, certain ninjas can last longer through torture than others...

But the thing Itachi knows, the major thing is every person has their breaking point,

You come to the conclusion that itachi couldn't control his tsukyomi for long after his little fight with kakashi? No, There is nothing in the manga suggesting such a thing.. Itachi had his tsukyomi for years and genjutsu was his expertise

 

[sage22]

I read the thread, you talked about ever ninja having different tolerance levels for pain, certain ninjas can last longer through torture than others...

But the thing Itachi knows, the major thing is every person has their breaking point,

You come to the conclusion that itachi couldn't control his tsukyomi for long after his little fight with kakashi? No, There is nothing in the manga suggesting such a thing.. Itachi had his tsukyomi for years and genjutsu was his expertise

I agree and I believe that 99% of all the characters including kakashi couldn't even handle itachi regular genjutsu.

 

[Bogard]

I read the thread, you talked about ever ninja having different tolerance levels for pain, certain ninjas can last longer through torture than others...

But the thing Itachi knows, the major thing is every person has their breaking point,

You come to the conclusion that itachi couldn't control his tsukyomi for long after his little fight with kakashi? No, There is nothing in the manga suggesting such a thing.. Itachi had his tsukyomi for years and genjutsu was his expertise

Where have i said that Itachi couldn't control his tsukuyomi for long during his second fight against Sasuke when he entered Konoha? I'm refering to their first fight(at least from what we know) during Uchiha massacre. Yes everyone besides Hidan maybe may have a breaking point, but Itachi must know which illusion he must use to reach that breaking point, it's what i'm saying

 

[fastest shinobi]

It's not a one shot attack but when your under tsukuyomi you can't move he could kill you at any time he wants

 

[sage22]

It's not a one shot attack but when your under tsukuyomi you can't move he could kill you at any time he wants

I think ur thinking about another jutsu cuz tsukuyomi happens in an instant like ftg.

 

[Owarij]

Where have i said that Itachi couldn't control his tsukuyomi for long during his second fight against Sasuke when he entered Konoha? I'm refering to their first fight(at least from what we know) during Uchiha massacre. Yes everyone besides Hidan maybe may have a breaking point, but Itachi must know which illusion he must use to reach that breaking point, it's what i'm saying

eh. not really, you claim hidan likes getting stabbed? he doesn't, he's a sadist, he gets off on inflicting pain and suffering to others even if he has to do it to himself... When he was sliced in the neck he complained and yelled it hurt.... even with the same method of torture aka stabbing on a cross.... if Itachi makes this torture a week, 2 weeks? a month, It doesn't matter... everyone has a point...

Ninjas , anbu especially are supposed to be trained to resist torture to some extent, as I said before , Kakashi's limit was 72 hours, Itachi estimated that he could take that and he did, well he still went into a coma but you understand...Every ninja will have a point where their body, their mind will give out from being stabbed... In tsukyomi itachi can multiply the amount of your bodies and stab each one of them, constantly.. 1000 stabs a second, for weeks...Noone, not even the third raikage, who is one of the most physically durable ninjas, can survive such mental suffering

 

[Boston Rob]

Your facts is false, if itachi would wanted he could kill kakashi & sasuke but he didn't for very well known reasons. It's just how you see it and how translate it and you again translated it wrong.

 

[Bogard]

eh. not really, you claim hidan likes getting stabbed? he doesn't, he's a sadist, he gets off on inflicting pain and suffering to others even if he has to do it to himself... When he was sliced in the neck he complained and yelled it hurt.... even with the same method of torture aka stabbing on a cross.... if Itachi makes this torture a week, 2 weeks? a month, It doesn't matter... everyone has a point...

You forget the chakra level here. More the tsukuyomi illusion takes long, more the chakra it requires. I don't believe Itachi can make a month of tsukuyomi if a 72h already makes him sweat as hell. Maybe even 1week would be too much for him to handle because of the chakra level it would require to maintain the moment of the illusion for that long. Concerning Hidan, i didn't said he didn't feel pain, but that he is enjoying the pain and it's what Hidan does, and it's for that reason that i believe that if Itachi uses his tsukuyomi to try to torture him like he did to Kakashi, it should not work on him

Your facts is false, if itachi would wanted he could kill kakashi & sasuke but he didn't for very well known reasons. It's just how you see it and how translate it and you again translated it wrong.

The point is not to know if Itachi could have killed them or not, but to show the purpose of the jutsu tsukuyomi and why it may not work against some opponents

 

[Owarij]

More the tsukuyomi illusion takes long, more the chakra it requires.

Woah woah woah, where did you get that? I don't recall that ever being stated... once the initial chakra is cast for a genjutsu, the user can do what ever he wishes in it....Itachi's genjutsu lasts 1 second.. 1 second alone.., He never stated that he is limited to time constraints... he said he had NO limitations..

 

[BloodSeed]

people thinks genjutsu is col and they like it too much they dream its the ultimate jutsu in narutoverse but the truth is its just a MERE GENJUTSU that even A was ashamed he got caught on madars genjutsu

 

[Owarij]

people thinks genjutsu is col and they like it too much they dream its the ultimate jutsu in narutoverse but the truth is its just a MERE GENJUTSU that even A was ashamed he got caught on madars genjutsu

yet he still lost to it

 

[Bogard]

Woah woah woah, where did you get that? I don't recall that ever being stated... once the initial chakra is cast for a genjutsu, the user can do what ever he wishes in it....Itachi's genjutsu lasts 1 second.. 1 second alone.., He never stated that he is limited to time constraints... he said he had NO limitations..

Well i believe it should be obvious. Something longer should take much chakra. Infinite tsukuyomi is a perfect example.

The tsukuyomi Itachi used on Sasuke during the Uchiha massacre was the same he used against older Sasuke, but younger Sasuke didn't receive the mental breakdown, which shows that the illusion's duration was much more smaller, but Itachi directly turned off his sharingan after. All that shows that the illusion time was probably not even existing back then not only because Itachi couldn't control the duration time back then but also because of the chakra level it required(if he could have used a longer tsukuyomi, he would have)

 

[Waltz]

I disagree. Itachi himself Regulates Tsukyomi...he specifically stated that he controls space and time. So whether he chooses 24/72hrs, to kill or not, to inflict mental damage or not, it's up to him it has nothing to do with chakra reserves/leves ect. The only way Chakra levels come into play is when he goes beyond his Health-inflicted chakra limit. There's only been one case of that in the manga, against Kakashi.