Tsukuyomi and why Tsunade can break it

Do you agree?

  • Yea to some degree

    Votes: 14 17.1%
  • Like always Manga>Words

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • NO JUST NO, TSUKUYOMI IS GODLY

    Votes: 40 48.8%

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Vinnie

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You're mistaken dude. You can be freed from Tsukuyomi. You forgot about Naruto. He was caught in Tsukuyomi and was freed by Sakura and Chyobasama, or did that fact just conveniently slip your mind? Plus you're assuming Tsunade would even get caught in Tsukuyomi. Kakashi created a clone and hid in the ground when he encountered Tsukuyomi the 2nd time, so why do think Tsunade wouldn't do something similar. Again you are being biased and unfair because someone (like me) happens to think Tsunade isn't worthless.

RESPECT YOUR HOKAGE!

1st: I may post twice in a row but I want to say something please forgive me if I do.
2nd: This is not a versus we are not talking if Tsunade and Itachi fought, the argument is that Tsunade already caught in a Tsukuyomi casted by Itachi and she is using her Medical skills to defeat it from the inside.
3rd: Don't be so rude, no matter who your talking to and how ignorant they are please have civility here, putting emotion and insult in a logical argument does not add fact or reason to it and it ruins the argument for everyone else and no one likes seeing it even if they agree with you, which to an extent I do.
4th: Naruto did not escape from a Tsukuyomi they never made I contact with each other... He was broken free by Sakura and Chiyo from Itachi's finger point genjutsu which is why it happened in real time and not instantaneously.
5th: You cannot break from Tsukuyomi from the inside without 3 tomoe sharingan because the Tsukuyomi caster controls your actions, thought and will during the jutsu without it.

Please read my other post I do agree with you somewhat.
 

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Some of you think I said Tsunade can beat Itachi, No. Tsunade already had in preparation a healing for the effects of Tsukuyomi and if some of you had read what I said instead of raging then you would've saw that I said having the ability to do something is different from actually accomplishing it. The seconds into hours, days and maybe years in the Tsukuyomi world is critical but some of you say Itachi can do Tsukuyomi for years, you forget Itachi's chakra level and how Tsukuyomi affects him. Anyway it would seem that Tsukuyomi in the minds of some is Godly and no one is breaking it not Madara not Izuna, not Nagato or the Rinnegan, every jutsu has a weakness and to say Itachi has none with Tsukuyomi is ridiculous in itself. AGAIN TSUNADE IS NOT BEATING ITACHI BY BREAKING Tsukuyomi

Tsukuyomi is pretty ridiculous... But Sasuke was able to break free of it so it's not impossible... I think it's biggest set back is the amount of chakra it takes and the optical injury, we never see Itachi try to use it more than once per battle, plus Itachi got screwed with his MS ability set both of them do serious eye damage and chakra drain...

I must have misread your first post... If Tsunade had the jutsu ready in advanced and was going to cancel Tsukuyomi with it like a constant specialized flow of chakra running through that could disrupt the genjutsu's mental effects then yes I do believe Tsunade could develop something of this caliber.
 
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Tsukuyomi is pretty ridiculous... But Sasuke was able to break free of it so it's not impossible... I think it's biggest set back is the amount of chakra it takes and the optical injury, we never see Itachi try to use it more than once per battle, plus Itachi got screwed with his MS ability set both of them do serious eye damage and chakra drain...

I must have misread your first post... If Tsunade had the jutsu ready in advanced and was going to cancel Tsukuyomi with it like a constant specialized flow of chakra running through that could disrupt the genjutsu's mental effects then yes I do believe Tsunade could develop something of this caliber.

Itachi let Saskue break out of Tsukuyomi. Tsunade stopped the effects of Tsukuyomi. I agreed with the last part
 

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keep up the good work guys ....although i dont see how tsunade can break through tsukuyomi...tsukuyomi is a mangekyou sharingan technique and only a user with same family tree bloodline can break it (as for sasuke i believe curse mark also powered up the three tomoe sharingan to the level he can break mangekyou technique)...if it was a normal sharingan technique tsunade could have broken it as it only requires great level of chakra control which she possesses ..

tsukuyomi is like a dream world(illusion) controlled by the sharingan user and the one who is being controlled has just no power absolutely no power against it, the user can either stab the person or do whatever he wants until he collapses, the user cant use it anymore or he breaks it and the amount of torcher or physical/mental stress he gains in that world will be equal or same in his real body so the thing is that if tsunade was caught in that she wont be able to make it through coz she dont have 3 tomoe sharingan with curse mark , mangekyou sharingan or lets say biiju chakra , and say she was was able to sit like kakashi a little after it was over doesnt mean she made it through . well she can cure almost anything as she is the top medical ninja but still it takes time to heal injury and its a mental stress to a level where you are either stabbed or ass raped for 1 day or 1 week without getting sleep or rest how can you be possibly be able to stand .just try not to sleep for 1 night after continuously playing football or any other sports for the whole day without any rest I bet you cant handle (but well its more of a physical stress but same as getting pin holed by a katana)

Even if she releases her yin seal it doesnt matter as its not a normal sharingan that can be broken by chakra control or even if she is healed it would take days to revert back form that fatigue and if someone tries to disrupt her chakra i cant seems to imagine how anyone could possibly do it as itachi tsukuyomi can alter the opponent's perception of time even if its 1 week in dream world its just 1 sec in real world ..if its avoided like kakashi in shippuden by making a clone then its another matter
 

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There seem to be some confusion as to what exactly Tuskuyomi is in regards to Genjutsu. Lets break this down

1st, What is Genjutsu? Genjutsu are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.

2nd, How is a Genjutsu deployed? Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu attacks usually require a lot of skill, and, if performed incorrectly, will not work. Because genjutsu affects activity throughout the prosencephalon structure of the brain, humans, dogs and other species of mammal are therefore all affected by genjutsu.

3rd, How does one break Genjutsu? The ninja need first become aware that they are under Genjutsu. The ninja then needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation. This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. Another is through intense pain not caused by the genjutsu and utilising the resulting pain to bring their senses back in order.

Now these are the 3 main points for Genjutsu, now lets move to Tuskuyomi

1, what is Tuskuyomi? Tsukuyomi is one of the most powerful genjutsu in existence. It is unique to the Uchiha clan and only those with the Mangekyō Sharingan can perform it.

2, how does it work? Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed, trapping the target within an illusion completely under the user's control.
A: Itachi's prowess with it: Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make a few seconds seem like many days as a means to torture the target. This results in the victim suffering psychological trauma that incapacitates them for a considerable period of time.
B: sasukes prowess: Sasuke can also perform Tsukuyomi with his right eye, though his illusion is considered inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi since it does not alter the opponent's perception of time indicating he has yet to master it.

3, how does one break it? Itachi states that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as the caster; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle.

4, what are the drawbacks? Such a powerful technique is not without its disadvantages however. Due to the complexity of the illusion and the quickness with which it is executed, an enormous amount of chakra is necessary and an added amount of stress is placed on the left eye, leaving Itachi's vision more blurred.

As we can see that while Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, it differs greatly from any other of its type. The amount of chakra needed, the speed at which is need be used and the duration at which it last combined with the victims preception of that same duration, place Tsukuyomi in it own class of Genjutsu.

Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage. Key word is '"CURE". I can fully imagine she can fixed the damage it can cause, however, that is not even close to being able to "break" it, the two are very different!

As I have stated above, in order to break Genjutsu, the user needs to beaware they are trapped in one. Tsukuyomi is instant so it counters the very 1st step in breaking Genjutsu. Also the ninja needs to share blood type, this is straight from Kisi mouth. I understand people wanna be fanboy and fangirls, but Im sorry, she cant breakt it!
 

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Has everbody forgotten that a day in tsukoyomi is like a. Second in real time she would never have tym to react
 

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-_________________- Didn't I pretty much sum this up forever ago? ......... Smh. People are difficult sometimes.
 

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You're mistaken dude. You can be freed from Tsukuyomi. You forgot about Naruto. He was caught in Tsukuyomi and was freed by Sakura and Chyobasama, or did that fact just conveniently slip your mind? Plus you're assuming Tsunade would even get caught in Tsukuyomi. Kakashi created a clone and hid in the ground when he encountered Tsukuyomi the 2nd time, so why do think Tsunade wouldn't do something similar. Again you are being biased and unfair because someone (like me) happens to think Tsunade isn't worthless.

RESPECT YOUR HOKAGE!

That wasn't Tsukuyomi, just a regular Genjutsu... -___________-
 
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Everyone offered valid points on behalf of Tsunade and Itachi + Tsukuyomi. Thank you guys for debating. And again, in medical terms she has a higher possibility to breaking Tsukuyomi then any other Non Uchiha. And again, like I said having THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT FROM ACTUALLY DOING IT AND ACCOMPLISHING IT SUCCESSFULLY. If some of you guys think that the Rinnegan can't break out of Tsukuyomi then that's just crazy. But its your beliefs.
 

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And now you know why I quit the Naruto discussion. lmao

It seems you don't understand how Tsukuyomi works. It's damage can be done instantaneously;

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So to say that she can heal herself from the damage in less than an instant is absolute bs.

And now, my friends, do you see why I quit the Naruto discussion forum? Too may idiots on it.

Basically what you have implied is Itachi > Hashirama, Tobirama , Sarutobi , Minato , Onoki , 3rd Raikage. o_O
 
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