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[Holy God]

You are biased because you wont accept that he can. But you accept Sasuke can use paths. You are very delusional.

Who cares if he does or doesnt know how to use it. The fact is he CAN. He has the ABILITY to use it.

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He has everything needed. In all actiallity he really only needs Rikudou Sage Mode.

I never said he specifically is unable to. I've already said he has the potential but we don't know if he can due to other reasons.

 

[Jokule67]

Yes, it is a technique of Yin-Yang Style as stated by Tobirama. Regardless, it's already been proven that Truth-Seeking Spheres do not automatically negate chakra, so I don't think there's anything to discuss?

Of course they dont do it automatically, you alter the TSB to have that affect. Something all RSM users can do

 

[Jokule67]

I never said he specifically is unable to. I've already said he has the potential but we don't know if he can due to other reasons.

But in your opinion he cant while Sasuke automatic can use paths. We know a new Rinnegan cannot "automatic" fo anything from Kuramas own words

 

[SenseiSama]

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As you said , both Naruto and Sasuke used yin-yang abilities but they don't seem having both yin and yang .



The Databook states that Sasuke has 5 elements ; (according to your logic) Does it mean all of them are his affinity ??

Well the DB is wrong because first of all, Rinnegan users have all basic natures as stated by Jiraiya, second of all, Rinnegan users have Ashura's chakra meaning then have Yang affinity as well. Having Hagromo's chakra means having Indra's Yin and Ashura's Yang which means Naruto also has Yin affinity.

In addition, use some logic instead of only relying on a inconsistent DB, if Hashirama can use Mokuton it's because he has Suiton affinity, if Mei can use Lava it's because she has Fire affinity, the same logic applies to Yin-Yang, if Naruto can use Yin-Yang it's because he has Yin affinity therefore the DB is wrong.

 

[Holy God]

But in your opinion he cant while Sasuke automatic can use paths. We know a new Rinnegan cannot "automatic" fo anything from Kuramas own words

Sasuke can use all Six Paths because it is said the Rinnegan grants that, though he couldn't as a teen because he didn't know of all their existence. Kurama only said since Sasuke hasn't mastered it he can't use two paths at the same time.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke can use all Six Paths because it is said the Rinnegan grants that, though he couldn't as a teen because he didn't know of all their existence. Kurama only said since Sasuke hasn't mastered it he can't use two paths at the same time.

And this is why you are biased.

 

[davidou]

Well the DB is wrong because first of all, Rinnegan users have all basic natures as stated by Jiraiya, second of all, Rinnegan users have Ashura's chakra meaning then have Yang affinity as well. Having Hagromo's chakra means having Indra's Yin and Ashura's Yang which means Naruto also has Yin affinity.

In addition, use some logic instead of only relying on a inconsistent DB, if Hashirama can use Mokuton it's because he has Suiton affinity, if Mei can use Lava it's because she has Fire affinity, the same logic applies to Yin-Yang, if Naruto can use Yin-Yang it's because he has Yin affinity therefore the DB is wrong.

Is it the DB that is wrong or your interpretation of it?
In fact you proved that your interpretation was wrong, because your reasonning led to a nonsense (and you came to the conclusion that the db was wrong).
It makes more sense that the symbol means affinity with the release.
(bold)Not exactly, he has the ability to use Yin release, he doesn't necessarly have an affinity with it, making the databook correct.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Yes, it is a technique of Yin-Yang Style as stated by Tobirama. Regardless, it's already been proven that Truth-Seeking Spheres do not automatically negate chakra, so I don't think there's anything to discuss?

actually the opposite has been proven...since no hand signs or jutsu activation occurs...nice job of getting caught in another lie

 

[Holy God]

actually the opposite has been proven...since no hand signs or jutsu activation occurs...nice job of getting caught in another lie

Rasengan doesn't use signs thus that argument is irrelevant. The fact that there have been Truth-Seeking Spheres that do not negate chakra ruins your argument.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Rasengan doesn't use signs thus that argument is irrelevant. The fact that there have been Truth-Seeking Spheres that do not negate chakra ruins your argument.

rasengan also requires visible control of chakra...STEPS...the activation of yin-yang (in application to truth seekers) does not...you're still wrong (again)...there has never been truth seekers that don't negate chakra...EVER

 

[Jokule67]

Rasengan doesn't use signs thus that argument is irrelevant. The fact that there have been Truth-Seeking Spheres that do not negate chakra ruins your argument.

All TSB can negate chakra. They easily succeed both kekkei genkei and Kekkei tota. Its not automatic to negate ninjutsu. You have to alter the many affinities of it, which includes yinyang which in itself comes automatic.

Heres the DB entry:
Truthseeker Orbs is listed as just a ninjutsu (not kekkei mora), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independantly. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely oblitrate a forest. With the power of creation, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both kekkei genkai and kekkei tota.


Its also fact that Omnyoudon is a Six Paths Senjutsu TSB technique. Meaning Naruto can do it just like Sasuke can use his paths.

 

[Jokule67]

Well the DB is wrong because first of all, Rinnegan users have all basic natures as stated by Jiraiya, second of all, Rinnegan users have Ashura's chakra meaning then have Yang affinity as well. Having Hagromo's chakra means having Indra's Yin and Ashura's Yang which means Naruto also has Yin affinity.

In addition, use some logic instead of only relying on a inconsistent DB, if Hashirama can use Mokuton it's because he has Suiton affinity, if Mei can use Lava it's because she has Fire affinity, the same logic applies to Yin-Yang, if Naruto can use Yin-Yang it's because he has Yin affinity therefore the DB is wrong.

They only list techs in which the Ninja is proficient in. Naruto has no affinity(or natural use) for Yin alone. But YinYang is another story completely.

Only Six Paths users can utilize YinYang. Normal Ninjas can only do one or the other, and even then they only scratch the surface of its mysteries.

This is why TSB can completely erase Ninjutsu with their YinYang powers.

 

[Holy God]

rasengan also requires visible control of chakra...STEPS...the activation of yin-yang (in application to truth seekers) does not...you're still wrong (again)...there has never been truth seekers that don't negate chakra...EVER

Hiruzen was hit by a Truth-Seeking Sphere and continued to regenerate. It did not negate chakra meaning it is a technique that must be activated.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Hiruzen was hit by a Truth-Seeking Sphere and continued to regenerate. It did not negate chakra meaning it is a technique that must be activated.

where is the activation process?...still waiting for hand signs and/or chakra manipulation...if not then you make shit up (as usual)

 

[Holy God]

where is the activation process?...still waiting for hand signs and/or chakra manipulation...if not then you make shit up (as usual)

I already told you. Not all techniques need seals and Truth-Seeking Spheres already have form. They are the highest form of shape (chakra) manipulation already. The fact that it didn't negate chakra means something needs to be done and your statement that they automatically do so is false.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

I already told you. Not all techniques need seals and Truth-Seeking Spheres already have form. They are the highest form of shape (chakra) manipulation already. The fact that it didn't negate chakra means something needs to be done and your statement that they automatically do so is false.

all techniques need clear focus of activation...all except truth seekers which negates your flawed concept (once again)...still waiting on that activation...or obito or madara even NOTICING what their truth seekers were doing...lmaooo

 

[Holy God]

all techniques need clear focus of activation...all except truth seekers which negates your flawed concept (once again)...still waiting on that activation...or obito or madara even NOTICING what their truth seekers were doing...lmaooo

Obito already acknowledged that he knew he could erase chakra when Tobirama questioned, though he didn't know it had no effect against sage chakra. Truth-Seeking Spheres are shaped through conscious as well as negating chakra, and they never needed a clear focus in order to manifest. I don't know why you keep neglecting the blatant fact that Obito could not initially do that, thus meaning they do not always have the ability in use.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Obito already acknowledged that he knew he could erase chakra when Tobirama questioned, though he didn't know it had no effect against sage chakra. Truth-Seeking Spheres are shaped through conscious as well as negating chakra, and they never needed a clear focus in order to manifest. I don't know why you keep neglecting the blatant fact that Obito could not initially do that, thus meaning they do not always have the ability in use.

obito did not acknowledge jack shit...in fact obito stood there monologue about the shinobi world and was too busy to even call out the name of his ninjutsu...and I'm ignoring what?...you telling me there is a difference between the truth seekers obito had before gaining control of the ten tails and after?...you must be a moron...still waiting on that activation sequence

 

[Holy God]

obito did not acknowledge jack shit...in fact obito stood there monologue about the shinobi world and was too busy to even call out the name of his ninjutsu...and I'm ignoring what?...you telling me there is a difference between the truth seekers obito had before gaining control of the ten tails and after?...you must be a moron...still waiting on that activation sequence

Tobirama already said Obito was utilizing Yin-Yang Style and they knew what it did. There was no explaining to do on his part. If there was no "activation sequence" for Truth-Seeking Spheres themselves why would there be for the technique? Why don't we go through your posts.

not really...since there is no jutsu activation to erasing chakra...or even using yin-yang style for that matter...

Tobirama already said it had to do with Yin-Yang Style.

@ bold doesn't matter because naruto didn't know what it was and still did it...and your opinions don't negate the fact that all truth seeking balls contain yin-yang release even automatically...even black zetsu stated it when kaguya made a gigantic one

Here you say they all contain Yin-Yang Style, thus they all automatically negate chakra. This has already been proven false once again by the Obito example.

Those two posts summarize your argument and they've been sufficiently countered.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Tobirama already said Obito was utilizing Yin-Yang Style and they knew what it did. There was no explaining to do on his part. If there was no "activation sequence" for Truth-Seeking Spheres themselves why would there be for the technique? Why don't we go through your posts.


Tobirama already said it had to do with Yin-Yang Style.



Here you say they all contain Yin-Yang Style, thus they all automatically negate chakra. This has already been proven false once again by the Obito example.

Those two posts summarize your argument and they've been sufficiently countered.

so you agree with me that erasing chakra is an automatic function of yin-yang style and no jutsu activation is required?...THANK YOU :bdpf: