Trump's new NSA pick is the worst possible choice

[Lightbringer]

President Trump has named John Bolton to become his next national security adviser, replacing H.R. McMaster. Bolton is known for his ultra-hawkish views. He has openly backed war against Iran and North Korea, and was a prominent supporter of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Just three weeks ago, Bolton wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal titled “The Legal Case for Striking North Korea First.” In 2015, while the Obama administration was negotiating the Iran nuclear deal, Bolton wrote a piece titled “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran.”

The man is the epitome of what is we call a "warmonger" and if there's any person in politics who would have the highest probability of leading us into war, it would be John Bolton. Shit, his last name is Bolton. That's already a red flag.

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[Uverdore9]

War is near then...

 

[Goetia]

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This administration continues to prove its complete and utter ineptitude by the day. No respect for democratic or scientific process, no ability to think logically and solve problems in an effective way, its embarrassing. And their supporters are even more so.

 

[Donald J Trump]

We need toughness. We're not going to be the weak country anymore! If that means dropping a few dozen atomic bombs on innocent civilians, then so be it.

 

[Chikombo]

But they seem to be besties! Gotta keep them priorities!

It's like they didn't learn from the cold war. I am a little scared about this. I just hope people don't let Trump or others start to nuke people just cus they feel like it.

 

[Fountain]

I remember the lengths at wich you went to deny posting articles from far-left media sources such as NyTimes and here you are yet again. With another one of your Trump little venting threads. The only thing you like talking about, aside from racism (ironically).

Seems like it might've taken you a while to find a proper anti-trump memo this time around. Or maybe you were too busy at Twitter or something, who knows

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Its funny because, when his presidency is over, people are just going to try and erase any influence he's had, as a president, over the U.S.

His power is limited.

 

[Goetia]

Oh no, It's Muslim hate. Let's imprison this Youtuber over a joke and ban a woman from the country over her different opinion, while we bend over to all the muslim gangs raping little girls left and right for years and attacking our own citizens because we're too afraid to tackle the situation. Those muslims who have specifically said want to take over Europe and **** their women and daughters, yeah no, this is obviously anti-muslim propaganda people. There's clearly nothing going on. They are very "VERY" good people, all of them, and we must accept them!

It's definitely not like we're sweeping our declining people under the rug for the sake of not being called out islamophobes or racists while they gang rape every white European girl they get their hands on. It's not like they hate us or hate Christians or anything no no no no. This Journalist is 100% spot on. 100% woke. All facts.

So the minority of the Muslim population showing extreme and radical beliefs suddenly also represent the peaceful majority of the Muslim population? That's some pretty severe conflation going on. I'll clear things up for you:

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We'll start here, with some data on population size in Europe. According to this study, published a little while back in November 2016, only 4.9% of the total population of Europe are actually Muslim. This has most likely changed recently, so we'll chalk it up to a minor increase above 5% for the 2017 Muslim population, accounting for any kind of immigration, except zero immigration. Now, lets talk about implementation of Sharia Law, and what the opinions of the Muslim population are on that, since that's pretty much what you're referring to when you mention taking over Europe and raping female citizens.

Since we're addressing Europe, we'll take a look at the data regarding Muslims wanting Sharia Law incorporated into a proper legal apparatus. In 2016, 20% of Kosovo, 15% of Bosnia Hertz, and 12% of Albania (these percentages referring to Muslim populations) wanted Sharia Law to become the official law of the country. In Russia, the percentage of Muslims who wanted Sharia Law to be implemented was 42%, but the question was modified so that it specified Sharia Law would only be applied to Muslim areas if implemented. In 2013, it was found in a poll (which is mentioned in this report):

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, that:

Spoiler

"even in many countries where there is strong backing for sharia, most Muslims favor religious freedom for people of other faiths. In Pakistan, for example, three-quarters of Muslims say that non-Muslims are very free to practice their religion, and fully 96% of those who share this assessment say it is “a good thing.” Yet 84% of Pakistani Muslims favor enshrining sharia as official law. These seemingly divergent views are possible partly because most supporters of sharia in Pakistan – as in many other countries – think Islamic law should apply only to Muslims. Moreover, Muslims around the globe have differing understandings of what sharia means in practice.

The survey – which involved more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages with Muslims across Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – shows that Muslims tend to be most comfortable with using sharia in the domestic sphere, to settle family or property disputes. In most countries surveyed, there is considerably less support for severe punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves or executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. And even in the domestic sphere, Muslims differ widely on such questions as whether polygamy, divorce and family planning are morally acceptable and whether daughters should be able to receive the same inheritance as sons."

So there you go. And we'll add another excerpt.

Spoiler

"The new survey also allows some comparisons with prior Pew Research Center surveys of Muslims in the United States. Like most Muslims worldwide, U.S. Muslims generally express strong commitment to their faith and tend not to see an inherent conflict between being devout and living in a modern society. But American Muslims are much more likely than Muslims in other countries to have close friends who do not share their faith, and they are much more open to the idea that many religions – not only Islam – can lead to eternal life in heaven."

Now lets take another look at the Muslim population's reception of radical behaviour, under the 1st report. On a consistent basis, the Muslim population in countries where Islam at its strongest, there has been a strong disdain for the behaviour of organisations like ISIS. The reception ranges from countries like Pakistan, where the reception is 28% unfavourable, 9% favourable, and 62% undecided, to Lebanon, where reception is approx 99% unfavorable, approx 0% favourable, and approx 1% undecided. This ratio of reception amongst Muslim populations in these countries is consistent, with the undecided reception always being more represented than the favourable perception, and obviously the unfavourable perception more represented than both. Additionally, in a more general sense, most Muslims describe violent behaviour against civilians, such as suicide bombing, as rarely or never justified (92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq). A 2011 US survey shows that 86% of Muslims described these behaviours as rarely or never justified. 7% described them as sometimes justified, and 1% saying they were often justified.

Furthermore, a study conducted as recently as August 2017:

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, shows that Muslim integration into European countries is actually pretty successful. Approximately 3/4 of Muslims raised from birth in Germany grow up with German being their first language. Amongst Muslim immigrants in Germany, 1/5 state German is their first language. This trend continues in France, the UK, Austria, and Switzerland. 3/4 of Muslims in France learnt French as children, some of these Muslims having learnt it in their country of origin. In the UK its 60% of Muslim immigrants having learnt English growing up. In countries where Muslim immigration has been a recent addition, a lower share of respondents stated the national language being the first (Germany, 46%; Austria, 37%; Switzerland, 34%).

Next we'll look at integration into education and workforce. In school, subsequent generations of Muslim children tend to make up for the gap experienced by their parents and grandparents. In countries such as Germany and Austria, where the schools maintain an educationally disadvantageous system for Muslims seeking to integrate, the percentages for Muslim children completing their education (dropping out, etc) before age 17 is 36% and 39% respectively. In schools located in France, where the education system is more equitable, only 1/10 students complete their education before 17.

Labour markets are also something to look at. Ironically, Germany far outranks other countries in regards to its emphasis of an open labour market being important for integration. The promotion of gainful employment for all, through an open labour market, has proven to be beneficial to Muslim immigrants. Their rate of unemployment is actually lower than the rest of the population according to the study, with 5% of Muslims being unemployed compared to the 7% of the rest of the population. The tight nature of France's labour market produces an unemployment rate of 14% for Muslims, and 8% unemployment rate for the non-Muslim population. This means that the problem isn't necessarily refusal to integrate, its the nature of the country's market and labour system that makes it difficult for Muslims to integrate.

Stats also show that: "96% of Muslims living in France feel very or somewhat connected with the country; the share is equally high in Germany. In Switzerland, 98% feel connected with the country they have adopted as their own. Fewer Muslims report feeling close ties in the United Kingdom—68%. But even there, 89% feel closely connected. The share of Muslims in Austria who feel closely connected is also below the average, though still significant, at 88%."

And finally, we move onto Sweden, the "rape capital of Europe". I'm reasonably certain that anyone who chooses to describe Sweden as such demonstrates an implicit, gross lack of understanding of how law works, how it changes, and how surveying and data works. We'll use the graphs on this site:

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"The number of reported rape offences has increased over the last ten years (2006-2015). The increase can be partially explained by the entry into force of new *** offence legislation on 1 April 2005. This legislation entails, among other things, that certain acts which were previously classified as sexual exploitation are now classified as rape. The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory change while the number of reported rapes increased. As from 1 July 2013, the *** offence legislation was again made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively.

In the Swedish system, individual reports regarding a great number of offences may affect and give rise to variations in the statistic. For instance, when a single case is reported that turns out to involve hundreds or even thousands of instances of offences committed against an individual over the course of many years, every single incident is recorded as an offence in the year it was reported. It is also important to remember that non-reporting is particularly extensive for *** offences and changes in the inclination to report can affect the number of rapes in the statistic."

This should tell you that sympathy for extreme behaviour by Muslims is incredibly low amongst Muslim population, and that your conflation of the majority with the minority is a gross misrepresentation of reality and intellectually dishonest.

 

[Lightbringer]

So the minority of the Muslim population showing extreme and radical beliefs suddenly also represent the peaceful majority of the Muslim population? That's some pretty severe conflation going on. I'll clear things up for you:

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We'll start here, with some data on population size in Europe. According to this study, published a little while back in November 2016, only 4.9% of the total population of Europe are actually Muslim. This has most likely changed recently, so we'll chalk it up to a minor increase above 5% for the 2017 Muslim population, accounting for any kind of immigration, except zero immigration. Now, lets talk about implementation of Sharia Law, and what the opinions of the Muslim population are on that, since that's pretty much what you're referring to when you mention taking over Europe and raping female citizens.

Since we're addressing Europe, we'll take a look at the data regarding Muslims wanting Sharia Law incorporated into a proper legal apparatus. In 2016, 20% of Kosovo, 15% of Bosnia Hertz, and 12% of Albania (these percentages referring to Muslim populations) wanted Sharia Law to become the official law of the country. In Russia, the percentage of Muslims who wanted Sharia Law to be implemented was 42%, but the question was modified so that it specified Sharia Law would only be applied to Muslim areas if implemented. In 2013, it was found in a poll (which is mentioned in this report):

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, that:

Spoiler

"even in many countries where there is strong backing for sharia, most Muslims favor religious freedom for people of other faiths. In Pakistan, for example, three-quarters of Muslims say that non-Muslims are very free to practice their religion, and fully 96% of those who share this assessment say it is “a good thing.” Yet 84% of Pakistani Muslims favor enshrining sharia as official law. These seemingly divergent views are possible partly because most supporters of sharia in Pakistan – as in many other countries – think Islamic law should apply only to Muslims. Moreover, Muslims around the globe have differing understandings of what sharia means in practice.

The survey – which involved more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages with Muslims across Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – shows that Muslims tend to be most comfortable with using sharia in the domestic sphere, to settle family or property disputes. In most countries surveyed, there is considerably less support for severe punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves or executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. And even in the domestic sphere, Muslims differ widely on such questions as whether polygamy, divorce and family planning are morally acceptable and whether daughters should be able to receive the same inheritance as sons."

So there you go. And we'll add another excerpt.

Spoiler

"The new survey also allows some comparisons with prior Pew Research Center surveys of Muslims in the United States. Like most Muslims worldwide, U.S. Muslims generally express strong commitment to their faith and tend not to see an inherent conflict between being devout and living in a modern society. But American Muslims are much more likely than Muslims in other countries to have close friends who do not share their faith, and they are much more open to the idea that many religions – not only Islam – can lead to eternal life in heaven."

Now lets take another look at the Muslim population's reception of radical behaviour, under the 1st report. On a consistent basis, the Muslim population in countries where Islam at its strongest, there has been a strong disdain for the behaviour of organisations like ISIS. The reception ranges from countries like Pakistan, where the reception is 28% unfavourable, 9% favourable, and 62% undecided, to Lebanon, where reception is approx 99% unfavorable, approx 0% favourable, and approx 1% undecided. This ratio of reception amongst Muslim populations in these countries is consistent, with the undecided reception always being more represented than the favourable perception, and obviously the unfavourable perception more represented than both. Additionally, in a more general sense, most Muslims describe violent behaviour against civilians, such as suicide bombing, as rarely or never justified (92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq). A 2011 US survey shows that 86% of Muslims described these behaviours as rarely or never justified. 7% described them as sometimes justified, and 1% saying they were often justified.

Furthermore, a study conducted as recently as August 2017:

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, shows that Muslim integration into European countries is actually pretty successful. Approximately 3/4 of Muslims raised from birth in Germany grow up with German being their first language. Amongst Muslim immigrants in Germany, 1/5 state German is their first language. This trend continues in France, the UK, Austria, and Switzerland. 3/4 of Muslims in France learnt French as children, some of these Muslims having learnt it in their country of origin. In the UK its 60% of Muslim immigrants having learnt English growing up. In countries where Muslim immigration has been a recent addition, a lower share of respondents stated the national language being the first (Germany, 46%; Austria, 37%; Switzerland, 34%).

Next we'll look at integration into education and workforce. In school, subsequent generations of Muslim children tend to make up for the gap experienced by their parents and grandparents. In countries such as Germany and Austria, where the schools maintain an educationally disadvantageous system for Muslims seeking to integrate, the percentages for Muslim children completing their education (dropping out, etc) before age 17 is 36% and 39% respectively. In schools located in France, where the education system is more equitable, only 1/10 students complete their education before 17.

Labour markets are also something to look at. Ironically, Germany far outranks other countries in regards to its emphasis of an open labour market being important for integration. The promotion of gainful employment for all, through an open labour market, has proven to be beneficial to Muslim immigrants. Their rate of unemployment is actually lower than the rest of the population according to the study, with 5% of Muslims being unemployed compared to the 7% of the rest of the population. The tight nature of France's labour market produces an unemployment rate of 14% for Muslims, and 8% unemployment rate for the non-Muslim population. This means that the problem isn't necessarily refusal to integrate, its the nature of the country's market and labour system that makes it difficult for Muslims to integrate.

Stats also show that: "96% of Muslims living in France feel very or somewhat connected with the country; the share is equally high in Germany. In Switzerland, 98% feel connected with the country they have adopted as their own. Fewer Muslims report feeling close ties in the United Kingdom—68%. But even there, 89% feel closely connected. The share of Muslims in Austria who feel closely connected is also below the average, though still significant, at 88%."

And finally, we move onto Sweden, the "rape capital of Europe". I'm reasonably certain that anyone who chooses to describe Sweden as such demonstrates an implicit, gross lack of understanding of how law works, how it changes, and how surveying and data works. We'll use the graphs on this site:

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Spoiler

"The number of reported rape offences has increased over the last ten years (2006-2015). The increase can be partially explained by the entry into force of new *** offence legislation on 1 April 2005. This legislation entails, among other things, that certain acts which were previously classified as sexual exploitation are now classified as rape. The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory change while the number of reported rapes increased. As from 1 July 2013, the *** offence legislation was again made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively.

In the Swedish system, individual reports regarding a great number of offences may affect and give rise to variations in the statistic. For instance, when a single case is reported that turns out to involve hundreds or even thousands of instances of offences committed against an individual over the course of many years, every single incident is recorded as an offence in the year it was reported. It is also important to remember that non-reporting is particularly extensive for *** offences and changes in the inclination to report can affect the number of rapes in the statistic."

This should tell you that sympathy for extreme behaviour by Muslims is incredibly low amongst Muslim population, and that your conflation of the majority with the minority is a gross misrepresentation of reality and intellectually dishonest.

I'd also like to add that Fountain has completely ignored every time I posted the statistic from the GAO (Government Accountability Office) on multiple occasions which compares Muslim Extremist violence to White Supremacist violence in the U.S., yet he still tries to spouts the falsehood that Muslims and Antifa are more violent than the white supremacists.

Spoiler

Of course you would bring neo-nazi violence, even though it's almost nonexistent and the neo-nazis are irrelevant. But you don't bring antifa up who are almost on a daily basis attacking people, burning flags, threatening, and vandalizing. It just shows how full of bias you are.

And once again you are triggered at the mention of Neo-Nazis.

We've already had discussion about it like last month where I literally linked an FBI and GAO statistics and studies about right-wing extremism and the GAO categorizes white supremacy as domestic terrorism and is more prevalent than Islamic terrorism in the U.S.

Yet, once again you ignore this and deflect to Leftist groups even though no leftist groups have committed murder.

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"Far right violent extremist attackers are characterized by ECDB as having
beliefs that include some or all of the following:

• Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in
orientation);

• Anti-global;

• Suspicious of centralized federal authority;

• Reverent of individual liberty (especially right to own guns; be free of
taxes);

• Belief in conspiracy theories that involve a grave threat to national
sovereignty and/or personal liberty;

• Belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack
and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent; and

• Belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating
in or supporting


In addition, according to the ECDB, many persons having violent extreme
far right views express support for some version of white supremacy, the
Ku Klux Klan, and neo-Nazism"

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[Goetia]

I'd also like to add that Fountain has completely ignored every time I posted the statistic from the GAO (Government Accountability Office) on multiple occasions which compares Muslim Extremist violence to White Supremacist violence in the U.S., yet he still tries to spouts the falsehood that Muslims and Antifa are more violent than the white supremacists.

It's just a feels over reals argument honestly. I feel as though his positions are motivated more by the feeling of being attacked by "SJWs" and others who try and bring up moral accountability. There's no real factual basis, its all just motivated reasoning, strawmen statements, ad hominem, red herrings, and nirvana fallacy.

 

[Fountain]

So the minority of the Muslim population showing extreme and radical beliefs suddenly also represent the peaceful majority of the Muslim population? That's some pretty severe conflation going on. I'll clear things up for you:

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We'll start here, with some data on population size in Europe. According to this study, published a little while back in November 2016, only 4.9% of the total population of Europe are actually Muslim. This has most likely changed recently, so we'll chalk it up to a minor increase above 5% for the 2017 Muslim population, accounting for any kind of immigration, except zero immigration. Now, lets talk about implementation of Sharia Law, and what the opinions of the Muslim population are on that, since that's pretty much what you're referring to when you mention taking over Europe and raping female citizens.

Since we're addressing Europe, we'll take a look at the data regarding Muslims wanting Sharia Law incorporated into a proper legal apparatus. In 2016, 20% of Kosovo, 15% of Bosnia Hertz, and 12% of Albania (these percentages referring to Muslim populations) wanted Sharia Law to become the official law of the country. In Russia, the percentage of Muslims who wanted Sharia Law to be implemented was 42%, but the question was modified so that it specified Sharia Law would only be applied to Muslim areas if implemented. In 2013, it was found in a poll (which is mentioned in this report):

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, that:

Spoiler

"even in many countries where there is strong backing for sharia, most Muslims favor religious freedom for people of other faiths. In Pakistan, for example, three-quarters of Muslims say that non-Muslims are very free to practice their religion, and fully 96% of those who share this assessment say it is “a good thing.” Yet 84% of Pakistani Muslims favor enshrining sharia as official law. These seemingly divergent views are possible partly because most supporters of sharia in Pakistan – as in many other countries – think Islamic law should apply only to Muslims. Moreover, Muslims around the globe have differing understandings of what sharia means in practice.

The survey – which involved more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages with Muslims across Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – shows that Muslims tend to be most comfortable with using sharia in the domestic sphere, to settle family or property disputes. In most countries surveyed, there is considerably less support for severe punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves or executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. And even in the domestic sphere, Muslims differ widely on such questions as whether polygamy, divorce and family planning are morally acceptable and whether daughters should be able to receive the same inheritance as sons."

So there you go. And we'll add another excerpt.

Spoiler

"The new survey also allows some comparisons with prior Pew Research Center surveys of Muslims in the United States. Like most Muslims worldwide, U.S. Muslims generally express strong commitment to their faith and tend not to see an inherent conflict between being devout and living in a modern society. But American Muslims are much more likely than Muslims in other countries to have close friends who do not share their faith, and they are much more open to the idea that many religions – not only Islam – can lead to eternal life in heaven."

Now lets take another look at the Muslim population's reception of radical behaviour, under the 1st report. On a consistent basis, the Muslim population in countries where Islam at its strongest, there has been a strong disdain for the behaviour of organisations like ISIS. The reception ranges from countries like Pakistan, where the reception is 28% unfavourable, 9% favourable, and 62% undecided, to Lebanon, where reception is approx 99% unfavorable, approx 0% favourable, and approx 1% undecided. This ratio of reception amongst Muslim populations in these countries is consistent, with the undecided reception always being more represented than the favourable perception, and obviously the unfavourable perception more represented than both. Additionally, in a more general sense, most Muslims describe violent behaviour against civilians, such as suicide bombing, as rarely or never justified (92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq). A 2011 US survey shows that 86% of Muslims described these behaviours as rarely or never justified. 7% described them as sometimes justified, and 1% saying they were often justified.

Furthermore, a study conducted as recently as August 2017:

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, shows that Muslim integration into European countries is actually pretty successful. Approximately 3/4 of Muslims raised from birth in Germany grow up with German being their first language. Amongst Muslim immigrants in Germany, 1/5 state German is their first language. This trend continues in France, the UK, Austria, and Switzerland. 3/4 of Muslims in France learnt French as children, some of these Muslims having learnt it in their country of origin. In the UK its 60% of Muslim immigrants having learnt English growing up. In countries where Muslim immigration has been a recent addition, a lower share of respondents stated the national language being the first (Germany, 46%; Austria, 37%; Switzerland, 34%).

Next we'll look at integration into education and workforce. In school, subsequent generations of Muslim children tend to make up for the gap experienced by their parents and grandparents. In countries such as Germany and Austria, where the schools maintain an educationally disadvantageous system for Muslims seeking to integrate, the percentages for Muslim children completing their education (dropping out, etc) before age 17 is 36% and 39% respectively. In schools located in France, where the education system is more equitable, only 1/10 students complete their education before 17.

Labour markets are also something to look at. Ironically, Germany far outranks other countries in regards to its emphasis of an open labour market being important for integration. The promotion of gainful employment for all, through an open labour market, has proven to be beneficial to Muslim immigrants. Their rate of unemployment is actually lower than the rest of the population according to the study, with 5% of Muslims being unemployed compared to the 7% of the rest of the population. The tight nature of France's labour market produces an unemployment rate of 14% for Muslims, and 8% unemployment rate for the non-Muslim population. This means that the problem isn't necessarily refusal to integrate, its the nature of the country's market and labour system that makes it difficult for Muslims to integrate.

Stats also show that: "96% of Muslims living in France feel very or somewhat connected with the country; the share is equally high in Germany. In Switzerland, 98% feel connected with the country they have adopted as their own. Fewer Muslims report feeling close ties in the United Kingdom—68%. But even there, 89% feel closely connected. The share of Muslims in Austria who feel closely connected is also below the average, though still significant, at 88%."

And finally, we move onto Sweden, the "rape capital of Europe". I'm reasonably certain that anyone who chooses to describe Sweden as such demonstrates an implicit, gross lack of understanding of how law works, how it changes, and how surveying and data works. We'll use the graphs on this site:

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Spoiler

"The number of reported rape offences has increased over the last ten years (2006-2015). The increase can be partially explained by the entry into force of new *** offence legislation on 1 April 2005. This legislation entails, among other things, that certain acts which were previously classified as sexual exploitation are now classified as rape. The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory change while the number of reported rapes increased. As from 1 July 2013, the *** offence legislation was again made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively.

In the Swedish system, individual reports regarding a great number of offences may affect and give rise to variations in the statistic. For instance, when a single case is reported that turns out to involve hundreds or even thousands of instances of offences committed against an individual over the course of many years, every single incident is recorded as an offence in the year it was reported. It is also important to remember that non-reporting is particularly extensive for *** offences and changes in the inclination to report can affect the number of rapes in the statistic."

This should tell you that sympathy for extreme behaviour by Muslims is incredibly low amongst Muslim population, and that your conflation of the majority with the minority is a gross misrepresentation of reality and intellectually dishonest.

Makes me sick how far you went to try to defend these pedophilic predators and killers, using Sharia Law as an excuse. I never mentioned that all muslims are like this and Sharia Law has nothing to do with their hatred.

 

[Fountain]

I'd also like to add that Fountain has completely ignored every time I posted the statistic from the GAO (Government Accountability Office) on multiple occasions which compares Muslim Extremist violence to White Supremacist violence in the U.S., yet he still tries to spouts the falsehood that Muslims and Antifa are more violent than the white supremacists.

Love how Goetia says it's just a feels argument when that's exactly what this is and pretty much every thread you've ever made. A slanderous feels argument and complete horse shit chart against people from the right. It doesn't take a genius to use their eyes and realize the mass amount of murders coming from muslims and the white genocide in Africa, but alas the one white supremacist who ran over some people at Charlottesville killing a woman apparently equals to a higher number.

I wonder if these thousands of evil white supremacist are invisible cause that might be more dangerous than living in the middle east. I could get killed in my own house without seeing it coming!

That 74% Attacks by far-right violent extremists and 26% Attacks by radical Islamic violent extremists is laughable.

 

[Lightbringer]

Love how Goetia says it's just a feels argument when that's exactly what this is and pretty much every thread you've ever made. A slanderous feels argument and complete horse shit chart against people from the right. It doesn't take a genius to use their eyes and realize the mass amount of murders coming from muslims and the white genocide in Africa, but alas the one white supremacist who ran over some people at Charlottesville killing a woman apparently equals to a higher number.

I wonder if these thousands of evil white supremacist are invisible cause that might be more dangerous than living in the middle east. I could get killed in my own house without seeing it coming!

That 74% Attacks by far-right violent extremists and 26% Attacks by radical Islamic violent extremists is laughable.

I love how you make the baseless straw-man by referencing entirely other regions of the world in order to defend white supremacists when I'm specifically talking about the U.S. and the statistics are specifically about the violence in the U.S. which you are still ignoring. Charlottesville is just one incident among many.

But alas, you once again ignore any sort of evidence that contradicts your own far-right views. I think you need to stop watching infowars and experience the real world for once.

 

[Goetia]

Makes me sick how far you went to try to defend these pedophilic predators and killers, using Sharia Law as an excuse. I never mentioned that all muslims are like this and Sharia Law has nothing to do with their hatred.

Whether I believe Sharia Law is ethical in and of itself is an entirely different argument altogether. And to begin with, my stats and reports showed that most Muslims don't even want to implement the most extreme laws, and further, they'd only want it applied to people who follow Islam.

Your generalisation of Muslims, which is implied in your slippery slope "arguments" (lol), leads everyone but you and the fear-mongering right to believe that you are actually addressing the entire population of Muslims across the planet as being rapists and violent extremists. I don't justify the behaviour of extreme Muslims by bringing up these stats, I'm trying to make a distinction between the majority who are clearly peaceful, and minority who are not peaceful. My personal belief is that religion, in extreme form especially, doesn't need to exist in the world anymore. Whether its extreme Christianity, or extreme Islam, it doesn't matter. It has to go if its endangering society. That being said, it's also wrong to conflate those who are innocent of extremist behaviour with those who are guilty of it.

Love how Goetia says it's just a feels argument when that's exactly what this is and pretty much every thread you've ever made. A slanderous feels argument and complete horse shit chart against people from the right. It doesn't take a genius to use their eyes and realize the mass amount of murders coming from muslims and the white genocide in Africa, but alas the one white supremacist who ran over some people at Charlottesville killing a woman apparently equals to a higher number.

I wonder if these thousands of evil white supremacist are invisible cause that might be more dangerous than living in the middle east. I could get killed in my own house without seeing it coming!

That 74% Attacks by far-right violent extremists and 26% Attacks by radical Islamic violent extremists is laughable.

How is my argument feels over reals? I've brought up numerous statistics and studies to support my argument, when there's nothing to show on your end. The reason why the right gets slandered and shit on is because, just like in this thread, their arguments aren't backed by any form of data or statistics which give a holistic perspective of social and political issues. You get cherry-picked stats if anything, and its usually from garbage news outlets like Fox News or Breitbart, and then when you look to a majority of other websites, where holistic data is shown, the fear-mongering garbage gets put down near instantly.

The white genocide in Africa is wrong, I don't think there's any argument that could be put forward to justify it. If it were black genocide, that would be wrong too. The problem comes in when jackasses like Peter Dutton, the Minister for Home Affairs of Australia, demonstrates his obvious bias for not just politics, but people of certain colours. Its disgusting.

You really think that white supremacist violence isn't that common? It takes one google search to show that it is much more than just the Charlottesville incident. In 2017, there were 4 incidents of violent acts from white supremacists in the US. In 2017, there was a grand total of 1 Islamist terror attack in the US, in October. And of course there's gonna be more Muslim killings in the Middle-East, that's where the most Muslims are, and extreme Muslims at that. The only Muslims killing anyone are extreme Muslims. Just like how the only white people killing anyone hold extreme white supremacist values.

You can laugh off the stats but that doesn't disprove them lmao.

And just as i expected, you couldn't handle it so my reply had to be removed so you have the last word because you're obviously always right about everything. Again showing your hypocrisy on free speech.

If you're not gonna let me talk then don't talk to me at all and go suck on your own dick.

Tired of you wasting my time.

Don't bring up this garbage about free speech. Free speech doesn't give you the right to be an asshole and get away with it, which is what the right desires and engages in more than anyone.

 

[Lightbringer]

Whether I believe Sharia Law is ethical in and of itself is an entirely different argument altogether. And to begin with, my stats and reports showed that most Muslims don't even want to implement the most extreme laws, and further, they'd only want it applied to people who follow Islam.

Your generalisation of Muslims, which is implied in your slippery slope "arguments" (lol), leads everyone but you and the fear-mongering right to believe that you are actually addressing the entire population of Muslims across the planet as being rapists and violent extremists. I don't justify the behaviour of extreme Muslims by bringing up these stats, I'm trying to make a distinction between the majority who are clearly peaceful, and minority who are not peaceful. My personal belief is that religion, in extreme form especially, doesn't need to exist in the world anymore. Whether its extreme Christianity, or extreme Islam, it doesn't matter. It has to go if its endangering society. That being said, it's also wrong to conflate those who are innocent of extremist behaviour with those who are guilty of it.



How is my argument feels over reals? I've brought up numerous statistics and studies to support my argument, when there's nothing to show on your end. The reason why the right gets slandered and shit on is because, just like in this thread, their arguments aren't backed by any form of data or statistics which give a holistic perspective of social and political issues. You get cherry-picked stats if anything, and its usually from garbage news outlets like Fox News or Breitbart, and then when you look to a majority of other websites, where holistic data is shown, the fear-mongering garbage gets put down near instantly.

The white genocide in Africa is wrong, I don't think there's any argument that could be put forward to justify it. If it were black genocide, that would be wrong too. The problem comes in when jackasses like Peter Dutton, the Minister for Home Affairs of Australia, demonstrates his obvious bias for not just politics, but people of certain colours. Its disgusting.

You really think that white supremacist violence isn't that common? It takes one google search to show that it is much more than just the Charlottesville incident. In 2017, there were 4 incidents of violent acts from white supremacists in the US. In 2017, there was a grand total of 1 Islamist terror attack in the US, in October. And of course there's gonna be more Muslim killings in the Middle-East, that's where the most Muslims are, and extreme Muslims at that. The only Muslims killing anyone are extreme Muslims. Just like how the only white people killing anyone hold extreme white supremacist values.

You can laugh off the stats but that doesn't disprove them lmao.



Don't bring up this garbage about free speech. Free speech doesn't give you the right to be an asshole and get away with it, which is what the right desires and engages in more than anyone.

I love the irony of how he says that your argument driven by your feelings yet his entire rant is about his own feelings without any sort of evidence to back up his claims. He simply dismissed what you had to say and the data you provided with him being sick how you defend "pedophilic predators and killers."

And his retort to the national statistics about right-wing violence were simply dismissed as being fake because he didn't like them. Lmao. The hypocrisy is endless.

 

[Fountain]

Your generalisation of Muslims, which is implied in your slippery slope "arguments" (lol), leads everyone but you and the fear-mongering right to believe that you are actually addressing the entire population of Muslims across the planet as being rapists and violent extremists.

Not all muslims, obviously. There's a lot of good ones here in america and i'm sure all over the world. But why are you trying to excuse them all, even the bad side? Why do you sympathize with them so much that you are willing to go so far to sweep under the rug the fact that there is a lot of hatred within muslim communities towards the west, Europeans and Christians, and the massive rape number of little girls to adults, stabbings, acid attacks, truck attacks etc. etc.

I don't justify the behaviour of extreme Muslims by bringing up these stats, I'm trying to make a distinction between the majority who are clearly peaceful, and minority who are not peaceful. My personal belief is that religion, in extreme form especially, doesn't need to exist in the world anymore. Whether its extreme Christianity, or extreme Islam, it doesn't matter. It has to go if its endangering society.

Okay, but it definitely looked like you were trying to defend them with that giant wall of text. Can't see why else you would have said what you said or taken the time and effort to.

That being said, it's also wrong to conflate those who are innocent of extremist behaviour with those who are guilty of it.

I figured, but i'd like to point out that you people also conflate white supremacists with the neo-nazis with the right and this and that and so on so yeah. Just saying.

How is my argument feels over reals? I've brought up numerous statistics and studies to support my argument, when there's nothing to show on your end.

I was referring to what Lightbringer said.

The reason why the right gets slandered and shit on is because, just like in this thread, their arguments aren't backed by any form of data or statistics which give a holistic perspective of social and political issues. You get cherry-picked stats if anything, and its usually from garbage news outlets like Fox News or Breitbart, and then when you look to a majority of other websites, where holistic data is shown, the fear-mongering garbage gets put down near instantly.

They're backed most of the time actually. I'm an exception because 1. I'm lazy. 2. I don't wanna be the kind of guy who copy-pastes everything and post links left and right to prove how right he is and win, because to me it's not about winning. 3. If something is true, that's enough. I don't need someone else to validate what i'm saying.

How is the rest of the mainstream media any better than Fox News or Braitbart? You don't think they have any bias when all they do is smear the right?

You really think that white supremacist violence isn't that common? It takes one google search to show that it is much more than just the Charlottesville incident. In 2017, there were 4 incidents of violent acts from white supremacists in the US. In 2017, there was a grand total of 1 Islamist terror attack in the US, in October. And of course there's gonna be more Muslim killings in the Middle-East, that's where the most Muslims are, and extreme Muslims at that. The only Muslims killing anyone are extreme Muslims. Just like how the only white people killing anyone hold extreme white supremacist values.

No, i do not belive is that common. These 4 incidents, were they murders or other stuff, like beating up people etc.? There's been a lot more than that coming from antifa alone. Just wanted to mention that as it is a bigger concern to me.

I'm confused. You said there were 4 white supremacist incidents last year. What about the 74% attacks from the right and 26% from islamists. I would've expected incidents happening all the time, more so than the middle east. Did i misunderstood something?

You can laugh off the stats but that doesn't disprove them lmao.

Look at Europe and the middle east, then look at America and try to understand why the chart is laughable. If those statistics were 100% legit the United States would be in complete state of chaos right now and i more than likely would've been killed long ago by an "alt-right", if not, i'd be hearing about them killing people on the news every week. Do you really not understand why these statistics are laughable? If anything i've seen more about attempts, shootings against conservatives, and other attacks on the news (both left-leaning and right-leaning media) since the inauguration of Donald Trump than anything i've ever seen before here in the U.S.A in my life.

Don't bring up this garbage about free speech. Free speech doesn't give you the right to be an asshole and get away with it, which is what the right desires and engages in more than anyone.

Actually, it does. I can say whatever i want just as you can say whatever you want, it is a human right that everyone has and is born with. No one should have the right to decide what one can or cannot say. Also you can't say that it doesn't give me the right to be an asshole while being asshole yourself.

 

[Goetia]

Not all muslims, obviously. There's a lot of good ones here in america and i'm sure all over the world. But why are you trying to excuse them all, even the bad side? Why do you sympathize with them so much that you are willing to go so far to sweep under the rug the fact that there is a lot of hatred within muslim communities towards the west, Europeans and Christians, and the massive rape number of little girls to adults, stabbings, acid attacks, truck attacks etc. etc.



Okay, but it definitely looked like you were trying to defend them with that giant wall of text. Can't see why else you would have said what you said or taken the time and effort to.



I figured, but i'd like to point out that you people also conflate white supremacists with the neo-nazis with the right and this and that and so on so yeah. Just saying.



I was referring to what Lightbringer said.



They're backed most of the time actually. I'm an exception because 1. I'm lazy. 2. I don't wanna be the kind of guy who copy-pastes everything and post links left and right to prove how right he is and win, because to me it's not about winning. 3. If something is true, that's enough. I don't need someone else to validate what i'm saying.

How is the rest of the mainstream media any better than Fox News or Braitbart? You don't think they have any bias when all they do is smear the right?



No, i do not belive is that common. These 4 incidents, were they murders or other stuff, like beating up people etc.? There's been a lot more than that coming from antifa alone. Just wanted to mention that as it is a bigger concern to me.

I'm confused. You said there were 4 white supremacist incidents last year. What about the 74% attacks from the right and 26% from islamists. I would've expected incidents happening all the time, more so than the middle east. Did i misunderstood something?



Look at Europe and the middle east, then look at America and try to understand why the chart is laughable. If those statistics were 100% legit the United States would be in complete state of chaos right now and i more than likely would've been killed long ago by an "alt-right", if not, i'd be hearing about them killing people on the news every week. Do you really not understand why these statistics are laughable? If anything i've seen more about attempts, shootings against conservatives, and other attacks on the news (both left-leaning and right-leaning media) since the inauguration of Donald Trump than anything i've ever seen before here in the U.S.A in my life.



Actually, it does. I can say whatever i want just as you can say whatever you want, it is a human right that everyone has and is born with. No one should have the right to decide what one can or cannot say. Also you can't say that it doesn't give me the right to be an asshole while being asshole yourself.

The information, stats, studies and reports etc, discusses how many Muslims in different parts of the world are actually extreme, and condone extreme behaviour. I don't actually say anything about how the extreme Muslims are correct or justified in their behaviour. They're not, and they should all be tried criminally as any other citizen should be, or would be. You wanna know why there's a lot of anti-West, particularly anti-US, sentiment in predominantly Muslim countries? Its because over the course of this decade and the last, the US has bombed the ever-living shit out of them. The stats for the contempt for the US in predominantly Muslim countries shows this. You really think that Muslims hate the US for no reason? Bush claimed pre-emptive strikes were justified to defend against the imminent threat of the Iraq government, and what happened? ISIS is born years later. Here are more stats for US Muslims perception of the political environment; 75% say there is a lot of US discrimination against Muslims, 2% are undecided, and 23% say there isn't. 68% say Trump worries them, 1% are undecided, and 31% say he doesn't. 62% say that American people don't see Islam as a part of mainstream society, 9% are undecided or say it depends, and 29% say yes. 50% say that being a US Muslim has gotten more difficult, 3% say it is easier, 3% are undecided, and 44% say it hasn't changed much. Lets look at more integration stats. 92% Muslims claim they are proud to be American, 6% are not proud and 2% are undecided. From 2016 - 2017, 48% of US Muslims said someone expressed support for them on the basis of being Muslim, 51% said they weren't, and 1% said they don't know. 55% of US Muslims stated American people are generally friendly to Muslim Americans, 30% were neutral, 14% were unfriendly, and 2% were undecided. This clears up the "Muslims hate Westerners" debacle. I've already addressed the "rape capital" garbage, but as far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any sweeping under the rug of these issues. Its all over the news, you either watch TV or look it up. In future, I'd advise you be very careful about being selective with terror attacks. Choosing to ignore attacks from fringe groups stemming from your own wing in favour of condemning a particular target is incredibly dishonest. The far and alt-right are not so different from the religious extremists they condemn.

Why not just read through the information I've presented in full instead of trying to tell me what my own information and arguments "looked like"?

I'll entertain this next point even though its fallacious nature does nothing to detract from the logic of my argument. Its easy to group Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists together, or address them in the same sentence, in several issues because their core values and beliefs are almost identical. White supremacy is a trademark feature of Neo-Nazism.

That's the nature of the game though, you realise? If you want to back an argument, you need stats, and reports, and studies, that support said argument. And it cycles back and forth until one side isn't able to defend their argument anymore. You're right, politics isn't just about winning. But the problem is that promoting hateful and emotionally based messages and arguments has an impact on people. Its why people shit on Donald Trump so much, its because he doesn't realise that his words as the POTUS affect the planet. He's not just a dumb shit celebrity on Twitter anymore, he's also the leader of the most powerful nation-state in the world. People like Ben Shapiro are well-spoken and intelligent, but he's also extremely dishonest when it comes to data and debating in general. Milo Yiannopoulos is popular because he likes to shit on brain-dead idiots who can't debate, but when you take a look at his values, like how he condones pedophilia and is the same kind of garbage who marginalises and trivialises the suffering and misery of others, you realise he's not the right-wing champion you idolise him as. And saying some dumb shit and not backing it up with data or fact-based arguments is not how one convinces others that their opinion is valid or sound. If you're in this because you want to "trigger snowflake lefties and SJW's", then you have no place in debating politics or any kind of issue that demands respect for scientific process and analysis. You really think Fox and Breitbard can compete with other media sites when the political figures they align themselves with try and defend some of the most inane shit spewed by the President? If you want to convince me of anything, construct a sound and valid argument. That means with data, statistics, survey results, and reports.

These 4 attacks all resulted in at least 1 fatality. The incident involving the white supremacist who drove his van into a crowd of people, injuring 19 and killing 1. Do you really want to try and say that in any of the 4 incidents that occurred, the perpetrator didn't intend to cause death? We'll take a look at the 6 attacks from Antifa in 2017. None resulted in a death, though I'd say this is more extreme coincidence. There were less people overall injured in these attacks cumulatively compared to the 4 by incidents initiated by a White Supremacist or someone from the far or alt-right. And yes, you did misunderstand something. The data Lightbringer cited is from September 12th 2001 to December 31st 2016. Those stats encompass 15 years of incidents, and its been compiled into a statistic. Which means, from start date to end date of the data, 74% has been from far-right extremists, and 26% from Islamic extremists.

Do you not understand how probability and statistical chance works? I'll read the conclusion of data from this report:

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, which states that from 1975 to 2015 that the average chance of being an American citizen and killed by a foreign-born terrorist on US soil was 1 in 3.6 million. The chance of being an American killed by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion per year in this same timeframe. The chance of being killed by an illegal immigrant is 1 in 10.9 billion per year. And over this timeframe, dying to a tourist on the most common tourist visa into the country is 1 in 3.9 million per year. Across 30 years, no terrorist act was committed by a foreigner-born terrorist. A person who has lived their life in America was more likely to commit murder in the US as a terrorist than a foreigner, pre and post 9/11. You can use a calculator to figure out how astronomically low those percentages turn out, and realise how unfit your argument is to debunk statistics.

I actually can call you out for being an asshole whilst being one myself, because the difference between you and I is that I have numbers, stats, surveys, to create a valid and sound argument. You, on the other hand, spout rhetoric and fallacious statements like there's no tomorrow. Its one thing to try and argue against a logically backed argument without any backing yourself, but to express contempt and disregard for numbers and scientific process demonstrates an extremely deep level of denial and bias. There is no narrative to any of my arguments, I have quoted stats, surveys and reports which depict demographics and information with surgical precision. When I quote a source, its some hard-hitting shit. To come at me with some weak-ass "how is the left any better" or "well if the numbers were true then I'd be dead by now" is excruciatingly retarded. Its got a technical term too, "red herring fallacy". Pointing out the hypocrisy of others is meaningless when it doesn't detract from the logic of the argument being made. If all you can resort to is fallacious "arguments", appeals to authority, and motivated reasoning, then you have no place talking down to anybody about anything requiring some level of critical, holistic and unbiased thinking.

Edit: Aren't you lucky? I almost forgot to add them to one of my paragraphs above, but you can have it down here.

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Let me know how the next chapter of your narrative of the Left goes, looking forward to the climax of this raw and unfiltered fiction.

 

[Fountain]

You started off by basically saying you're not trying to justify their behavior and that is literally the next thing you do.

I'm just gonna address a few points because really, you gonna make breakdown that whole wall piece by piece? I'm already worned out from trying to reason with some other idiots.

Regarding the bad muslims. You said they should be tried criminally as any other citizen should. But this is a problem in it of itself, you can't do anything because they'll claim it's ok for them to do what they do and they get away with it. Nothing can be done without the fear of being called out islamophobe or racist or whatever, wich is why they would rather imprison someone over a bad comment than a rapist.

Regarding your statement about dark shit going on in Europe not being swept under the rug. It is. I don't think i ever would've known and researched on it if it wasn't for the skeptic community or (god forbid) the crazy gay frog man. If not something that's completely being swept under the rug it is still at the very least not given the importance it should.

Milo Doesn't promote pedophilia, that's crazy. It's just that one time during an interview that he talked about how an older man molested him as a kid but he was ok with it, and that's it, end of story.

So apparently all the rest of the mainstream media altogether is more trustworthy than Fox News and Braitbart? Ok. So they defend a lot of the stuff the president says ok, and on the other hand the other side smears the hell out of him and that's better because?

You're telling me that out of all the protests there were only 6 attacks from antifa in 2017. Hopefully by those 6 attacks, you mean 6 as a whole group and not just 6 people.

The data Lightbringer cited is from September 12th 2001 to December 31st 2016. Those stats encompass 15 years of incidents, and its been compiled into a statistic. Which means, from start date to end date of the data, 74% has been from far-right extremists, and 26% from Islamic extremists.

The "data" is it exclusively to the U.S.A or worldwide? Cause if it is it's bs, but i'll let it slide it if it's only U.S.A.

I actually can call you out for being an asshole whilst being one myself, because the difference between you and I is that I have numbers, stats, surveys, to create a valid and sound argument. You, on the other hand, spout rhetoric and fallacious statements like there's no tomorrow. Its one thing to try and argue against a logically backed argument without any backing yourself, but to express contempt and disregard for numbers and scientific process demonstrates an extremely deep level of denial and bias. There is no narrative to any of my arguments, I have quoted stats, surveys and reports which depict demographics and information with surgical precision. When I quote a source, its some hard-hitting shit. To come at me with some weak-ass "how is the left any better" or "well if the numbers were true then I'd be dead by now" is excruciatingly retarded. Its got a technical term too, "red herring fallacy". Pointing out the hypocrisy of others is meaningless when it doesn't detract from the logic of the argument being made. If all you can resort to is fallacious "arguments", appeals to authority, and motivated reasoning, then you have no place talking down to anybody about anything requiring some level of critical, holistic and unbiased thinking.

Yes, of course, free speech doesn't give me the right to be an asshole but it does to you :sdo:

Look at me, i throw numbers and have legitimate evidence right here *Link* because *Link* says that this is this, and this is a 100% unbiased fact, why? It says so. So i'm right and you're not because you're not providing scientific evidence or anything, just fallacious statements so therefore you're an idiot and everything you're saying is bs blah blah blah

 

[Goetia]

You started off by basically saying you're not trying to justify their behavior and that is literally the next thing you do.

I'm just gonna address a few points because really, you gonna make breakdown that whole wall piece by piece? I'm already worned out from trying to reason with some other idiots.

Regarding the bad muslims. You said they should be tried criminally as any other citizen should. But this is a problem in it of itself, you can't do anything because they'll claim it's ok for them to do what they do and they get away with it. Nothing can be done without the fear of being called out islamophobe or racist or whatever, wich is why they would rather imprison someone over a bad comment than a rapist.

Regarding your statement about dark shit going on in Europe not being swept under the rug. It is. I don't think i ever would've known and researched on it if it wasn't for the skeptic community or (god forbid) the crazy gay frog man. If not something that's completely being swept under the rug it is still at the very least not given the importance it should.

Milo Doesn't promote pedophilia, that's crazy. It's just that one time during an interview that he talked about how an older man molested him as a kid but he was ok with it, and that's it, end of story.

So apparently all the rest of the mainstream media altogether is more trustworthy than Fox News and Braitbart? Ok. So they defend a lot of the stuff the president says ok, and on the other hand the other side smears the hell out of him and that's better because?

You're telling me that out of all the protests there were only 6 attacks from antifa in 2017. Hopefully by those 6 attacks, you mean 6 as a whole group and not just 6 people.



The "data" is it exclusively to the U.S.A or worldwide? Cause if it is it's bs, but i'll let it slide it if it's only U.S.A.



Yes, of course, free speech doesn't give me the right to be an asshole but it does to you :sdo:

Look at me, i throw numbers and have legitimate evidence right here *Link* because *Link* says that this is this, and this is a 100% unbiased fact, why? It says so. So i'm right and you're not because you're not providing scientific evidence or anything, just fallacious statements so therefore you're an idiot and everything you're saying is bs blah blah blah

What Muslims are getting off without sentences or punishments for crime they commit? Link me a source on this.

Lmao the skeptosphere is a load of anti-SJW garbage. They're in it for the same reason you are, to embarrass people who can't hold a candle to others on the left who actually know how to intelligently debate. I'd hardly say any of this information is swept under the rug, considering you and myself know about it, amongst millions of other people.

Milo does endorse it actually, even if his acknowledgement of it being retardedly insensitive floats around the internet for decades to come.

Asked whether he was advocating for "cross-generational relationships," Yiannopoulos said: "Yeah, I don't mind admitting that.

"And I think particularly in the gay world, and outside the Catholic Church — if that's where some of you want to go with this — I think in the gay world some of the most important, enriching and incredibly life-affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men," he said. "They can be hugely positive experiences." and "It's not the worst thing that's ever going to happen to you. And I know that some people will find that in itself to be an outrageous statement, but it simply isn't the worst thing that will ever happen to you. Going bankrupt is worse." -

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, the guy's a moron, and he's an embarrassment not only to his political wing, but humankind in general.

Do you really want an incompetent president spouting inane garbage without being put to a test of logic? The wall is a dumb as shit idea, his pathetic attempt to keep Mexicans out of the country was dumb as shit, and it doesn't even take that much effort to realise that the guy doesn't know what he's doing. None of his policies have stuck, and he's about to start a trade war with China. I couldn't sum up how ridiculously moronic this guy is with all the words I could find in a dictionary.

Those were the notable group attacks by Antifa, not counting smaller incidents which were likely conducted by a smaller amount of people. I wasn't able to find any source with a list of them all in 2017, so that's the best I got.

Its US only. You'd probably find different stats if you searched globally.

Here's the big fat strawman paragraph to conclude your string of non-arguments. The first statement alone pretty much says it all. You only care about free speech when it allows you to regurgitate intellectually dishonest garbage. So far in this entire thread, you've succeeded in not only creating entire paragraphs of strawman by misrepresenting my arguments and replying to things I never argued for in the first place, but you've also failed to create a sound and valid argument in any of your posts. You haven't even made a decent start. You haven't once tried to dispute my data with contradictory stats and reports, you've literally just said "this is false because nothing says its true". Which, in case you failed to notice, doesn't constitute an actual argument. Your hotshit right wing rhetoric might work on any other moron that can't construct an argument or debate logically, but when put against facts and data, it falls apart like the strawmen you've been putting up in this thread and infesting this website with since the day you started posting.

 

[Fountain]

What Muslims are getting off without sentences or punishments for crime they commit? Link me a source on this.

Almost every single refugee gets away with it. What do you want me to do show you a video of random muslims walking by the street? -.- If you have any idea of where i can find an official report that says most refugees get away with crime in Europe let me know, cause i don't think you're gonna find that from CNN nbc nytimes Washington post the guardian or TYT. Now if you want me to find something about how good, mistreated and misrepresented they are, i might be able to find that easily.

Lmao the skeptosphere is a load of anti-SJW garbage. They're in it for the same reason you are, to embarrass people who can't hold a candle to others on the left who actually know how to intelligently debate.

Good one.

I'd hardly say any of this information is swept under the rug, considering you and myself know about it, amongst millions of other people.

Well it is, if anything to an extent being swept under the rug. How is it that i never knew about it if not for the people you hate? What comes out of the left 80% of the time is anti-trump childish propaganda, incidents involving minorities, rarely any coverage when a white person gets shot by a cop, and whinning about guns.

Milo does endorse it actually, even if his acknowledgement of it being retardedly insensitive floats around the internet for decades to come.

Asked whether he was advocating for "cross-generational relationships," Yiannopoulos said: "Yeah, I don't mind admitting that.

"And I think particularly in the gay world, and outside the Catholic Church — if that's where some of you want to go with this — I think in the gay world some of the most important, enriching and incredibly life-affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men," he said. "They can be hugely positive experiences." and "It's not the worst thing that's ever going to happen to you. And I know that some people will find that in itself to be an outrageous statement, but it simply isn't the worst thing that will ever happen to you. Going bankrupt is worse." -

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, the guy's a moron, and he's an embarrassment not only to his political wing, but humankind in general.

Love how twist little things here and there to show how he's such a horrible person. He wasn't being that serious during that interview and he was talking for himself, about him being ok with it, not pedophilia in general, he's already discussed this dead topic many times. And in the very same page you linked me he says he doesn't advocate for illegal behavior, but let's skip that part.

Do you really want an incompetent president spouting inane garbage without being put to a test of logic?

What are you gonna do? Impeach him? He's been the president for over a year, it's not a matter of wether i want him as a president or not, he IS the president.

The wall is a dumb as shit idea, his pathetic attempt to keep Mexicans out of the country was dumb as shit, and it doesn't even take that much effort to realise that the guy doesn't know what he's doing. None of his policies have stuck, and he's about to start a trade war with China. I couldn't sum up how ridiculously moronic this guy is with all the words I could find in a dictionary.

"The wall is a dumb as shit idea" Opinions, we all have them. I happen to think it's a dumb idea though maybe not for the same reason as you. But again, opinions. Maybe it is a good idea, maybe it's not. We wouldn't know unless it was built. "None of his policies have stuck" lol

Its US only. You'd probably find different stats if you searched globally.

K, I thought it was referring to those people worldwide.

Here's the big fat strawman paragraph to conclude your string of non-arguments. The first statement alone pretty much says it all. You only care about free speech when it allows you to regurgitate intellectually dishonest garbage. So far in this entire thread, you've succeeded in not only creating entire paragraphs of strawman by misrepresenting my arguments and replying to things I never argued for in the first place, but you've also failed to create a sound and valid argument in any of your posts. You haven't even made a decent start. You haven't once tried to dispute my data with contradictory stats and reports, you've literally just said "this is false because nothing says its true". Which, in case you failed to notice, doesn't constitute an actual argument. Your hotshit right wing rhetoric might work on any other moron that can't construct an argument or debate logically, but when put against facts and data, it falls apart like the strawmen

If I've failed to create any valid argument then why the hell are you still talking to me? Replying with text walls nonetheless. Is there something you're trying to win or prove about yourself? Stop being so full of yourself and childish. I've been trying to the best of my ability to understand your venting, cause that's all you're doing.

you've been putting up in this thread and infesting this website with since the day you started posting.

Is this how delusional you are and how good you do your research? I barely ever make threads and i hate talking about this garbage. I've said it before. I don't spend my time being salty about Donald Trump on the general forum and trying to indoctrinate people with my political views. If you wanna know whose really infesting the website i recommend you double check the general forum section and my posts. Think you'll find out who really is infecting the website and inciting flaming and trolling.