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Yet Africa is the richest continent in the world in terms of natural resources, which enrich lives of the other 2/3rds of the world. To put it metaphorically; Africa is sadly the livestock to the rest of the world.
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Ehhh, I think it's fair game. Of the legitimately shitty countries, they're all bound to have a nice province here or there. If it's shit for the most part, what actual difference does the distinction make? Exclusion of some decent African countries that most people didn't even know existed nor would? Matter of fact, let me use this opportunity to ask something that would not come up otherwise that I'd never bother to learn.. What are some countries in Africa that are worth checking out?
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Not everyone in this thread criticizing America is American. Furthermore, I dont see what race has to do with anything; a shithole country will be a shithole country no matter if its prodominately black or white. Moldova doesnt stop being a shithole because its a white European country, but if we're being PC, me being a "double minority" lets me be as critical and honest as I want.
I personally have a right to be honest about Haiti's status on the terms that Im of haitian lineage (tracing back to Henry Christophe), and Ive lived in Haiti, both on vacation and on several mission trips. Its unfortunate whats happening there, but being dishonest about how horrible it is doesnt help haitians, it only helps Americans soothe their guilty consciences.
Because GPD is determined by ungathered natural resources.
It's actually irrelevant if Africa is the richest in natural resources or not, what matters is how these resources are used to enrich the people of Africa and that hasn't been working out for centuries. South Korea, Singapore and Japan are proof a country doesn't need natural resources to become wealthy and powerful. It's all about cultural values; Africa still remains culturally backward, and their political, social and economic system is a product of their backwardness. So no wonder they are called shithole.
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That's because other nations have preyed upon African/Middle Eastern countries for their resources. One example would be Sierra Leone and the diamond war. There is brutal violence in that region in order to find diamonds which is sold at a remarkably lower price to companies within the U.S. which then sells those diamonds for millions.
Those nations have been destabilized by foreign powers for their own benefits. That's why their cultural, political, and economic system are so far behind.
The allegation that the West is to be blamed for Africa and Middle East's problem is simply false. I'm ethnically Middle Eastern with ethnic African background and I know that foreign interference in Africa/Middle East is a minor result of the crisis in those places.
African culture and Middle East culture is very backward, and what I mean by culture is their values and not clothing or food. The people there do not believe and abide by democratic values; freedom of speech, secular government, rule of law etc. Instead they value in tribal and political religion, which in turn creates dictatorship and economic corruption, hence why most of Middle East and Africa rank high in poverty and low in human development.
The absence of democratic values is why Africa and Middle East are backward, and that comes from the way the people there think and behave and not the West's fault. The West merely took advantage of their backwardness.
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That's good for you, but saying that you're a certain ethnicity is not a valid argument against empirical facts and history. Your experience is only a fraction of the collective population; evidently so is your knowledge on this issue.
Region destabilization is what leads to power vacuums, which paves the way to extremism and anti-democratic governments. Afghanistan is a perfect example of this.
Anways, I'm not continuing this any further. You can do the research yourself or not; really doesn't matter to me either way. This isn't the topic of the thread. If you want to create a separate thread on this matter, I'll gladly debate you there.
I ask that you keep to the topic of this thread instead of segwaying into a completely different discussion.
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But me being part of a certain ethnicity means I know about my people better, which means I know the cause of region destabilization. As I said, the West merely took advantage of the existent extremism in those regions, it didn't create them. Islamic extremism was there centuries before the US was even founded, and Africa was enslaving and trading slaves between each other long before Europe traded African slaves.
So your allegations that the West is the main cause behind Africa and Middle East problems is historically and factually false.
It really is crazy that this level of ignorance exist in the world are you really trying to say that because you are a certain race you automatically become the world's foremost expert on its history and the influences other countries have had culturally?
First of all no country is a shithole or deserve to be called a shithole by anyone especially not our pampered president who is supposed to serve as a role model for the rest of the world since America is so "great". But even furthermore many if not most of Africa's current problems are indeed caused by the heavy heavy influences imperialistic European countries have had over the years this is a matter of fact and record, not of opinion the African countries for many many years were segmented and preyed upon for their resources by countries like Belgium and France, thus stunting their ability to grow. How arrogant and snobby of you to call another people culture backwards, how do you know you are not backwards? You really need to evaluate yourself and broaden your perspective on the world and maybe pick up a history book sometime?
America worked alongside pakistan to overthrow afghanistans socialists party, the country was heading towards progression. After Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew Soviet forces in 1989, U.S.-backed warlords tore the country apart and boosted opium production to an unprecedented level of 2,000 to 3,400 tons per year. The Talibaan or the Mujahideen cut the productions down, it was later restored again thanks to the us invasion in 2001. Abdul Razziq was appointed provincial police chief who was backed by the CIA running a heroine smuggling operation, earning him 60 million a year in one of the poorest countries in the word.
America has launched countless expeditions similarly even during nixons time on chile and several other countries (not counting middle eastern) like zaire, panama, Nicaragua that stunted their economical growth. It's not really important however, countries progress, no one really evaluates the concept of time, developing countries need time, sometimes a lot, imperial japan was heavily backwards even for it's time, hell even when perry intervened during the tokugawa shogunate and ended it, it was heavily backwards they were pissing themselves at the large armament based vessels perry bought, now it's considered the head of the industrialized world, same can be said for countries finding a path to progression and can even overtake each other, history proves that time and time again, it can happen slowly or rigidly, china, bhutan and several other countries are progressing quickly, others can follow considering the world is more globalized than it was during the 15th century. Shitholes can become pretty. At least i'd hope.
You can count that as a genetic fallacy, origin or not doesn't signify your knowledge. I can live outside a country and know more about its history than it's residents, the comparison being my knowledge about the subject can be more then theirs.
I'm also middle eastern, I suppose my argument weighs more now than it originally did, you cant use that in debates.
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