Tree of Might vs Shinju

[Gerkak]

besides goku and piccolo maybe, the Juubi is stronger than the Z fighters at that point in time.

no one besides goku can destroy a planet at that time and krillin and the others can take out 4-5 mountains tops

Wrong again, in the movie goku's power level was over 30,000 that is much higher than the 8,000 of the saiyan saga. Piccolo had a power level of 18,000 that is saiyan saga vegeta level, heck even gohan had a power level of 10,000.

All 3 of them could destroy planets at that time and so could krillin, chiotszu and yamcha. To say krillin could only destroy 5 mountains shows a lack of knowledge, Piccolo at a power level of 320 casually erased the moon, krillin in the saiyan saga had a power level of 1770(likely much higher in the movie). That's way higher meaning he is certainly above the juubi in power out put.

The juubi stands no chance here, stop comparing naruto to DBZ

the spirit bomb used on buu was the biggest but didnt have the appropriate splash damage correlated to its size and power. it should've destroyed buu and half of that solar system or galaxy

Again lack of knowledge, the DBZ data book clarified that DBZ characters can and often do control their attacks blast radius while maintaining its potency. This is why DBZ characters dodge an attack that can only destroy a few hundred meters. vegeta could casually destroy the earth during the saiyan saga but charged up his most powerful attack in case goku tries to block it which he did.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

spirit bombs are hard to gauge because they're designed to cause damage on the enemy specifically and not splash damage.

the spirit bomb used on vegeta wasn't that strong but devastating to vegeta.

the spirit bomb on freeze had great splash damage

the spirit bomb used on buu was the biggest but didnt have the appropriate splash damage correlated to its size and power. it should've destroyed buu and half of that solar system or galaxy

That's because its meant to destroy what's evil. You're not going to see much backlash destroying inanimate objects.
The Z fighters small ki blast that can destroy much more all failed against the tree of might.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Wrong again, in the movie goku's power level was over 30,000 that is much higher than the 8,000 of the saiyan saga. Piccolo had a power level of 18,000 that is saiyan saga vegeta level, heck even gohan had a power level of 10,000.

All 3 of them could destroy planets at that time and so could krillin, chiotszu and yamcha. To say krillin could only destroy 5 mountains shows a lack of knowledge, Piccolo at a power level of 320 casually erased the moon, krillin in the saiyan saga had a power level of 1770(likely much higher in the movie). That's way higher meaning he is certainly above the juubi in power out put.

The juubi stands no chance here, stop comparing naruto to DBZ



Again lack of knowledge, the DBZ data book clarified that DBZ characters can and often do control their attacks blast radius while maintaining its potency. This is why DBZ characters dodge an attack that can only destroy a few hundred meters. vegeta could casually destroy the earth during the saiyan saga but charged up his most powerful attack in case goku tries to block it which he did.

if u think krillin or any of the other Z fighters can destroy the earth during the saiyan saga then u my friend have officially lost it.

and if u think vegeta can casually destroy earth then idk what else to say.

yes piccolo and roshi both destroyed the moon which to this day i have problems with( i think its a toriyama inconsistency) but the moon isn't the earth

Frieze who can vaporizes a huge land mass with a twinkle of his eye, couldnt even "casually" destroy namek on his final form.

you're giving saiyan saga/ TOM PL's too much credit. a lvl2 Juubi nuke would absolutely vaporize the Z fighters during the saiyan saga/TOM movie era.

just look what 2nd form freeza did to the Z fighters on namek when he detonated a burst of energy..

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

That's because its meant to destroy what's evil. You're not going to see much backlash destroying inanimate objects.
The Z fighters small ki blast that can destroy much more all failed against the tree of might.

i agree. the Spirit bomb is designed to destroy evil things which is why it destroyed the TOM. that doesn't make it more powerful than a lvl 2 juubi nuke

 

[true enigma]

Everything about DBZ pretty much fodderizes naruto.. Even trees lol

 

[Gerkak]

if u think krillin or any of the other Z fighters can destroy the earth during the saiyan saga then u my friend have officially lost it.

and if u think vegeta can casually destroy earth then idk what else to say.

yes piccolo and roshi both destroyed the moon which to this day i have problems with( i think its a toriyama inconsistency) but the moon isn't the earth

Frieze who can vaporizes a huge land mass with a twinkle of his eye, couldnt even "casually" destroy namek on his final form.

you're giving saiyan saga/ TOM PL's too much credit. a lvl2 Juubi nuke would absolutely vaporize the Z fighters during the saiyan saga/TOM movie era.

just look what 2nd form freeza did to the Z fighters on namek when he detonated a burst of energy..

I have lost nothing, you clearly show a lack of knowledge regarding DBZ and you didn't even read my post.

First of all this is not about saiyan saga but the tree of might movie, in that movie as I stated the power levels of the z fighters are far above their saiyan saga counter parts e.g Goku saiyan saga power level: 8000, TOM power level : 30,000

Of course you wouldn't know what to say because you lack knowledge regarding DBZ

You can have problems with it but it happened and there isn't much either of us can do about it.

Yeah the frieza part is an inconsistency naruto has loads of those too madara getting pierced by black zetsu is a perfect example. Another would be naruto getting pierced by sasuke's sword while it was travelling slowly in gaiden(by your logic RSM hokage naruto is softer than SM naruto). We can't throw away logic because of inconsistencies. DBZ characters have been planet busters for a long time this is a fact whether you choose to believe in it or not.

No it can't, you are making baseless assumptions. I gave you official power levels and data book supported facts of DBZ characters being able to control the level of their explosions. The juubi can do nothing to even saiyan saga krillin let alone TOM krillin

Again you didn't read my post at all, DBZ characters can control the blast radius of their attacks.

i agree. the Spirit bomb is designed to destroy evil things which is why it destroyed the TOM. that doesn't make it more powerful than a lvl 2 juubi nuke

Sigh the following is a quote from king kai about the spirit bomb in the saiyan saga

" If you slip up, it wouldn’t be too hard to destroy the very planet you’re trying to protect.”

Further proof that goku like other DBZ characters can control their technique blast radius, what more proof do you want? xd

Juubi nuke can't even destroy a continent.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

I have lost nothing, you clearly show a lack of knowledge regarding DBZ and you didn't even read my post.

First of all this is not about saiyan saga but the tree of might movie, in that movie as I stated the power levels of the z fighters are far above their saiyan saga counter parts e.g Goku saiyan saga power level: 8000, TOM power level : 30,000

Of course you wouldn't know what to say because you lack knowledge regarding DBZ

You can have problems with it but it happened and there isn't much either of us can do about it.

Yeah the frieza part is an inconsistency naruto has loads of those too madara getting pierced by black zetsu is a perfect example. Another would be naruto getting pierced by sasuke's sword while it was travelling slowly in gaiden(by your logic RSM hokage naruto is softer than SM naruto). We can't throw away logic because of inconsistencies. DBZ characters have been planet busters for a long time this is a fact whether you choose to believe in it or not.

No it can't, you are making baseless assumptions. I gave you official power levels and data book supported facts of DBZ characters being able to control the level of their explosions. The juubi can do nothing to even saiyan saga krillin let alone TOM krillin

Again you didn't read my post at all, DBZ characters can control the blast radius of their attacks.

all I'm saying is in a Destruction contest Juubi > Saiyan Saga Krillin

 

[Gerkak]

all I'm saying is in a Destruction contest Juubi > Saiyan Saga Krillin

No it isn't. Besides saiyan saga krillin =/= TOM krillin Saiyan saga krillin isn't relevant here, I merely brought the saiyan saga example to emphasize the point that TOM z fighters are far stronger than their saiyan saga counter parts

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

No it isn't. Besides saiyan saga krillin =/= TOM krillin

TOM krillin has no feats. its hard to gauge his power.

Saiyan Saga krillin greatest feat (his most powerful attack; he was tired after he used it) was destroying 4 or 5 saibamen

if we assume each saibamen was as strong as raditz

he who was killed by the masenksappo,

that which blew a mountain in half,

then Krillin destruction level is equal to about him being able to destroy 4 or 5 mountains.

juubi lvl 2 destroyed a country sized area of mountains with one TBB

for the sake of argument, lets say Krillin could've destroyed 20 saibamen MAX, that still doesn't come close to the amount of mountains the lvl2 juubi destroyed

 

[Gerkak]

TOM krillin has no feats. its hard to gauge his power.

Saiyan Saga krillin greatest feat (his most powerful attack; he was tired after he used it) was destroying 4 or 5 saibamen

if we assume each saibamen was as strong as raditz

he who was killed by the masenksappo,

that which blew a mountain in half,

then Krillin destruction level is equal to about him being able to destroy 4 or 5 mountains.

juubi lvl 2 destroyed a country sized area of mountains with one TBB

So you refuse to read right? Ok, I suppose juubi is stronger than kaguya then since it showed better bomb feats, in fact sasuke and naruto are also greater than kaguya because they showed greater bomb feats at VOTE.

Edo madara>>>alive madara by your logic since edo madara showed better shock wave feats

Your arguments are quite amusing

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

So you refuse to read right? Ok, I suppose juubi is stronger than kaguya then since it showed better AOE feats, in fact sasuke and naruto are also greater than kaguya because they showed greater AOE feats at VOTE.

Edo madara>>>alive madara by your logic since edo madara showed better AOE feats

Your arguments are quite amusing

not at all.

Kaguya made an attack with the highest AOE ever seen in the manga

and we all know what Alive madara can do because its constantly hinted, talked about, referred to, and compared. all we have at that time in DBZ is what we see

and I'm talking about saiyan saga krillin because we don't have any TOM krillin feats. If anything, those are early namek saga z warriors (post saiyan fight, pre guru powerup) so they're not that much different from their saiyan counterparts

 

[Gerkak]

not at all.

Kaguya made an attack with the highest AOE ever seen in the manga

and we all know what Alive madara can do because its constantly hinted, talked about, referred to, and compared. all we have at that time in DBZ is what we see

and I'm talking about saiyan saga krillin because we don't have any TOM krillin feats. If anything, those are early namek saga z warriors (post saiyan fight, pre guru powerup) so they're not that much different from their saiyan counterparts

No she didn't it was claimed that she could destroy the planet she never did so it isn't a feat. many DBZ characters claim things you chose to dismiss it and only pick feats

No we never saw madara use such attacks so we don't know, since we are playing by your rules only feats matter here. Feats alive madara never showed

Again you didn't read, you make assumptions without knowledge. The z fighters are different from their canon counter parts because the official power levels show this. Please be consistent.

I gotta get some shut eye now.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Tree of might solos, it can consume planets, it's substance can revive the dead and eating its fruit grants more power than the shinju

The difference between the tree of might and the shinju is like the difference between the sun and the moon. Turles>>>kaguya

By the way shinju can't absorb people the juubi can, the image you showed wasn't the shinju but the juubi's 4th form, hogoromo showed how the actual shinju looks like. The actual shinju is a tree with no will at all.

This Gerkak said it.