Trasngender and Mental Illness

[BenjerminGaye]

Do you believe that nature is consistent?

What do you mean? go into detail

 

[Lightbringer]

What do you mean? go into detail

Well if people are born differently; having different arm/leg lengths, having different brains where some are more developed than others, having all manner of mutations where people can be born drastically different than what we consider normal, and having some people even be born with both genitalia.

If all these things can happen in nature, then why is it so hard to believe that someone can be born with a body that doesn't fit their perceived gender?

Nature is not consistent.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well if people are born differently; having different arm/leg lengths, having different brains where some are more developed than others, having all manner of mutations where people can be born drastically different than what we consider normal, and having some people even be born with both genitalia.

If all these things can happen in nature, then why is it so hard to believe that someone can be born with a body that doesn't fit their perceived gender?

Nature is not consistent.

but the things youre talking about are considered abnormal and in some cases disabilities. 99% of the time transgenders are often complaining about gender norms attached to ***, not the *** itself. The concept of " I should have a vagina/penis" or "insert *** here" doesn't make any sense to me. In my mind its no different than "my d!ck should be bigger" or "i feel as if i should be white." And i don't want you to shut my argument down as a "false equivalency" because in many societies gender isn't even binary, so attaching it to the *** organs makes 0 sense.

 

[Lightbringer]

but the things youre talking about are considered abnormal and in some cases disabilities. 99% of the time transgenders are often complaining about gender norms attached to ***, not the *** itself. The concept of " I should have a vagina/penis" or "insert *** here" doesn't make any sense to me. In my mind its no different than "my d!ck should be bigger" or "i feel as if i should be white." And i don't want you to shut my argument down as a "false equivalency" because in many societies gender isn't even binary, so attaching it to the *** organs makes 0 sense.

It doesn't make sense to you because you've not experienced it. If you were born in a woman's body, assuming you're male, but you still had the same thought process as you do now, would you yourself not feel uncomfortable in your body?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It doesn't make sense to you because you've not experienced it. If you were born in a woman's body, assuming you're male, but you still had the same thought process as you do now, would you yourself not feel uncomfortable in your body?

your *** is determined before birth -_- Being uncomfortable with your own body something everyone feels. If uncomfortability is the only factor then again it's no different than the examples I gave.

 

[Lightbringer]

your *** is determined before birth -_- Being uncomfortable with your own body something everyone feels. If uncomfortability is the only factor then again it's no different than the examples I gave.

Not really. You're comparing minor insecurities to someone who feels as though their body doesn't match their own identity, thus they can't express themselves as you or I would because of it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not really. You're comparing minor insecurities to someone who feels as though their body doesn't match their own identity, thus they can't express themselves as you or I would because of it.

That's subjective. The same way you consider the concept of the wrong *** as important. Someone else can consider their race, or outward appearance different from what they consider their own identity. Its belittling to say changing my *** is ok but augmenting my ***, appearance or what have you isn't.

 

[Lightbringer]

That's subjective. The same way you consider the concept of the wrong *** as important. Someone else can consider their race, or outward appearance different from what they consider their own identity. Its belittling to say changing my *** is ok but augmenting my ***, appearance or what have you isn't.

Race is hereditary, ***/gender is not.

The color of your skin does not have the same impact as having different organs.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Race is hereditary, ***/gender is not.

The color of your skin does not have the same impact as having different organs.

It being hereditary only bolsters my argument, given the fact that there is 0 choice in either.

Again subjective, and again transgender isn't based on *** its based on gender.

 

[Lightbringer]

It being hereditary only bolsters my argument, given the fact that there is 0 choice in either.

Again subjective.

In what world would that bolster your argument? You're trying to compare race to ***. You're comparing the color of someone's skin to not being able to express sexual affection due to the constraints of their ***.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

In what world would that bolster your argument? You're trying to compare the race to ***. You're comparing the color of someone's skin to not being able to express sexual affection due to the constraints of your ***.

I already explained that. You don't have a choice in race or ***. One is decided during pregnancy, which is semi random but based on the father and the other is decided by your parents equally. Feeling misalignment with either possible. As both were outside of you control Belliting one is unreasonable given the fact that its the same thing you opened with:

Well if people are born differently; having different arm/leg lengths, having different brains where some are more developed than others, having all manner of mutations where people can be born drastically different than what we consider normal, and having some people even be born with both genitalia.

Going back to the point, beyond using the bathroom, having ***, menstruation and childbearing everything else is a social construct attached to a ***.

 

[shelke]

Cancer is an error ...

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Well, this thread was entertaining.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Cancer is an error ...

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Well, this thread was entertaining.

as condescending as you always are i'd love to hear your thoughts on transgenderism. You seem more knowledgeable than I.

 

[Lightbringer]

I already explained that. You don't have a choice in race or ***. One is decided during pregnancy, which is semi random but based on the father and the other is decided by your parents equally. Feeling misalignment with either possible. As both were outside of you control Belliting one is unreasonable given the fact that its the same thing you opened with:



Going back to the point, beyond using the bathroom, having ***, menstruation and childbearing everything else is a social construct attached to a ***.

Again, nature is not consistent.

Just because you can't fathom it, does not mean it isn't legitimate.

 

[shelke]

as condescending as you always are i'd love to hear your thoughts on transgenderism. You seem more knowledgeable than I.

Well, it is about 4 am in the morning and I am in no mood for drama, so, I'll keep this mighty short. Gender is a social construct, yet social instincts have their roots in genetics. Could it be that it really is some kind of genetical defect as some research suggests? I don't know. Freud's assimilation of material on natural instincts (in the pleasure principle) suggest a more bleak take on life as life according to Freud life is just a series of detours to arrive at the ultimate destination; death or return to the inanimate state. Natural instincts only exist to prolong it at the cellular level; natural instincts that is ***.

If life's purpose is to return to the state of nothing and the cell cannot be truly immortal without procreation, then where would an anomaly like this lie? Your guess is as good as mine. It doesn't seem nor appear natural, that's for sure. One can say that homosexuality is natural, yet it goes against the principles of instincts. You can also say that abnormalities are also a part of Nature.

For instance, your DNA is damaged all the time. Your body is equipped to rectify that damage. Yet, cancer is simply a damage at the "wrong place at the wrong time" kind of affair. Is cancer not Natural, then? My point being that *** to procreate is the main aim of your "mortal" body to attain immortality through cells (created through reproduction) in another body.

That's the only thing I would say ... I avoid such discussions, as there is evidence on both sides of the fence.

 

[Оdin]

Cancer is an error ...

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Well, this thread was entertaining.

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Oops... quotes again. I'll be waiting for the lawsuit. Sometimes simple words have to be used for simple guys like Hashi who can't understand simple concepts.

 

[Lightbringer]

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Oops... quotes again. I'll be waiting for the lawsuit. Sometimes simple words have to be used for simple guys like Hashi who can't understand simple concepts.

Biology isn't simple. No wonder why you're an idiot.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

dis shit again?

 

[Оdin]

Biology isn't simple. No wonder why you're an idiot.

Exactly why you and him are the biggest dumbasses in here who can't comprehend this simple concept. But did I ever claim biology was simple? No, I did not. Improve your reading comprehension, halfwit.

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[Lightbringer]

Exactly why you and him are the biggest dumbasses in here who can't comprehend this simple concept. But did I ever claim biology was simple? No, I did not. Improve your reading comprehension, halfwit.

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Pretty sure I just read you say it was a simple concept.

Like damn son, are you really that baffled?