training for rasenshuriken

[legarcon]

when naruto was training to master rasenshuriken, kakashi explained that if naruto used his shadow clones during the training and then undid the jutsu.

All the experience gather by the clones would be his, therefore if he trained during an hour with 100 shadow clones it would be equivalent to 100 hrs of training, and naruto did that and happen to master a harder jutsu than rasengan but in fact i dont think that makes sense, my reasons are that indeed when you undo the shadow clone jutsu your suppose to gather all the experiences from the shadow clones but the problem here lays in the fact that when naruto used shadow clones.

All the clones had the exact same level of knowledge and experience so all the clones will have to start from zero,but it is not like the first clon when undone will bring first hour of experience, and the second will bring the second hour of experience with the knowledge of the first hour, and so on, so when undone every clon will bring their first hour of experience to naruto.

Maybe the more clons naruto makes the more ways he can find to do it and the faster he can get the hang of it, but in no way 1 hour of training with 100 clones is equivalent to 100hrs of training, because for you to start your second hour of training it is needed that you have your first hour before and for the third you need the second, so naruto should have gotten instead of 100 hrs of training, he got 100 hrs of experience equivalent to the first hour of the training.


i hope i did not make it confusing
what do you guy think?

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

I got some advice for you, make paragraphs and you will get more reactions on your thread...

 

[Mellow]

Probably. You know clones is a forbidden jitsu so its prob tru

 

[FirstPlace]

Do you know how to make paragraphs?

 

[legarcon]

jeje sorry about that i will fix it

 

[Gamaken]

That was all one sentence...

I can see what you're trying to say, but it's fiction. Naruto also released the shadow clone jutsu multiple times, so he would've tried out every little thing in a short amount of time before sticking with the best stuff and moving on.

 

[Torche]

This is why I say that Kishi cockblocked Naruto's growth.

EDIT: For example, as time goes on he can dispel clones and remake more so he'd end up doing things even quicker.

 

[legarcon]

That was all one sentence...

I can see what you're trying to say, but it's fiction. Naruto also released the shadow clone jutsu multiple times, so he would've tried out every little thing in a short amount of time before sticking with the best stuff and moving on.

yes i know he probably tried diferent ways which defenetly got him faster to get it but it is not the same to have some experience rather than starting from scratch

 

[V h o]

Think of it as pouring water into a bucket. More clones equal more water being poured into the bucket, water being knowledge/experience.

 

[legarcon]

yes i know but it is not like one two or more clones were ahead of the others, all started the same, but i admit it makes it faster to explore all the possibilities while one clon tries it one way, the other clones can try it in other ways, but those 100 hours of training were not acumulative

 

[Vegetex]

Guys it doesnt reset every time
Ex. Say he does an hour with 100 clones
When thr justu is undone, he now has 100 hour exp.


Now the justu makes an exact copy
So now all the clones have the same level of exp.

 

[Torche]

yes i know but it is not like one two or more clones were ahead of the others, all started the same, but i admit it makes it faster to explore all the possibilities while one clon tries it one way, the other clones can try it in other ways, but those 100 hours of training were not acumulative

They are if you think of it like this.

Even if they all start from scratch some will be bound to figure it out quicker than others, it's more about probability, isn't it? He is 100 or even 1000 times more likely to get it than just himself doing it. But, even if a clone isn't successfully, if he dispels it the original and other clones get the memories, and while it may not have done it, it's still however long worth of experience doing it, so it would raise the chances of successfulness, yes?

 

[legarcon]

Guys it doesnt reset every time
Ex. Say he does an hour with 100 clones
When thr justu is undone, he now has 100 hour exp.


Now the justu makes an exact copy
So now all the clones have the same level of exp.

exactly that what im saying

 

[V h o]

yes i know but it is not like one two or more clones were ahead of the others, all started the same, but i admit it makes it faster to explore all the possibilities while one clon tries it one way, the other clones can try it in other ways, but those 100 hours of training were not acumulative

Well when trying to learn something, practice makes perfect so in this case Naruto had 100 clones practicing. So that is 100 of times he would have been training alone.

 

[Vegetex]

exactly that what im saying

My bad im on my phone and saw it late lol

 

[legarcon]

They are if you think of it like this.

Even if they all start from scratch some will be bound to figure it out quicker than others, it's more about probability, isn't it? He is 100 or even 1000 times more likely to get it than just himself doing it. But, even if a clone isn't successfully, if he dispels it the original and other clones get the memories, and while it may not have done it, it's still however long worth of experience doing it, so it would raise the chances of successfulness, yes?

yes it makes it more likely to get it faste indeed but it is not equal to 100 hours of training in a row

 

[lanakui8]

I understand what you mean, but it's probably not like that.

Naruto is a person who 'learns with his body' and therefore rather than his training to learn a new jutsu being a process that consists of tons of steps like reading a book or learning a recipe, it's more like he's getting used to the feel of learning the jutsu or manipulating the element. That kind of experience does simultaneously stack.

 

[xxSAGExx]

when naruto was training to master rasenshuriken, kakashi explained that if naruto used his shadow clones during the training and then undid the jutsu.

All the experience gather by the clones would be his, therefore if he trained during an hour with 100 shadow clones it would be equivalent to 100 hrs of training, and naruto did that and happen to master a harder jutsu than rasengan but in fact i dont think that makes sense, my reasons are that indeed when you undo the shadow clone jutsu your suppose to gather all the experiences from the shadow clones but the problem here lays in the fact that when naruto used shadow clones.

All the clones had the exact same level of knowledge and experience so all the clones will have to start from zero,but it is not like the first clon when undone will bring first hour of experience, and the second will bring the second hour of experience with the knowledge of the first hour, and so on, so when undone every clon will bring their first hour of experience to naruto.

Maybe the more clons naruto makes the more ways he can find to do it and the faster he can get the hang of it, but in no way 1 hour of training with 100 clones is equivalent to 100hrs of training, because for you to start your second hour of training it is needed that you have your first hour before and for the third you need the second, so naruto should have gotten instead of 100 hrs of training, he got 100 hrs of experience equivalent to the first hour of the training.


i hope i did not make it confusing
what do you guy think?

Well Kakashi had Naruto end the jutsu to rack up all the experience and it allowed Naruto to become a bit better than he was before

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. This allowed Naruto and his clones to have that same experience that Naruto just gained and use it to move even further

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. It doesn't exhaust Naruto out as well training that hard while keeping his clones active and then taking on the stress they also had.

Naruto was trying to turn his chakra into wind so instead of taking days to improve his skills he had his clones help him; Naruto would be trying to cut the leave in halve for days to weeks alone. Kishi could have Naruto use his clones to train to improve his taijutsu which would also help improve his speed, endurance, and durability if he trains right (Kakashi helped Sasuke improve his taijutsu and speed in part 1). He can also practice/learn different ninjutsus at once like this as well but Naruto would be OP to do this.