Totsuka Blade vs Kamui

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Many people discredit Totsuka Blades lethality against Obito stating that Kamui would defend against it. But using Math and MangaPhax you will see that isn't true.

Kamui WOULD almost be a perfect defense if it were not for big flaws. Basically using the Sharingans Peircing Eye mentioned by kakashi in P1 he is able to track high speed threats and use Kamui to teleport parts of his body into the Other Dimension to defend accordingly.

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The only way to damage Obito is to either , go to the Other Dimension and damage the teleported portions of his Body.(Which would require Dimensional Transportation), or to damage Obito before he is able to teleport parts of his Body.

The only way to exploit the Kamui is to have a speed that the Sharingan can not effectively trace. AS displayed by Minato.

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So in order for Totsuka Blade to work it must be able to move at a speed that the Sharingan can not trace. And surprisingly enough the Anime/Manga has provided enough information on Totsuka Blade to prove it's speed.

Consider Itachi's fight against Sasuke. When Sasuke used Kirin, Black Zetsu stated that the attack moves at 1/1000th of a second... four times faster than sound. Even though Itachi had the Sharingan Black Zetsu and Sasuke said it was Unavoidable. Which means that it would be too fast to track with Sharingan otherwise he wouldn't have said that. Yet Itachi was able to Materialize his Susanoo before Kirin hit him. Which means he sucessfully materialized his Susanoo faster than kirin(1/1000th of a second).

Since Totsuka and Yata are both made from the same material as Susanoo we can rightfully assume that the materialization speed is the same if not even faster.(1/1000th of second). So technically Totsuka Blade moves at AT LEAST 1/1000th of a second which explains why Nagato hailed as one of the greatest Sensory Type Ninja was surprised when he was struck by it and even took him a few seconds to realize what happened. And the same for Orochimaru another great Sensory Ninja.

Considering that the Totsuka Blade is faster than Kirin and thus can not be traced by Sharingan, we can rightfully say that Obito would not be able to trace and use Kamui fast enough to evade Totsuka Blade similar to how he could not evade Flying Raijin Level 2.
 
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You took a different route than me when explaining kamui counters but this is effective nonetheless...but I think you need more than speed to still hit obito with it...it would have to be set up...itachi did catch nagato from behind and while his vision was impaired by all the dust and smoke from the CT being destroyed...so you gotta give a little more
 

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Totsuka Blade does not work if it does not hit. The question isn't if the Totsuka blade works against obito, it's if Itachi can hit Obito at all. He was able to react to JJ Madara, who is faster than Itachi, so there's no reason to believe that Itachi can hit him.
 

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He disabled kamui to attack Minato. Not that his kamui was slow. And totsuka would pass right through until and unlesd he deactivates kamui to attack.
 

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Totsuka Blade does not work if it does not hit. The question isn't if the Totsuka blade works against obito, it's if Itachi can hit Obito at all. He was able to react to JJ Madara, who is faster than Itachi, so there's no reason to believe that Itachi can hit him.

Or he simply predicted Madara would aim for Obito's Rinnegan and phased before Juubidara attempted to mount an attack.
 

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You took a different route than me when explaining kamui counters but this is effective nonetheless...but I think you need more than speed to still hit obito with it...it would have to be set up...itachi did catch nagato from behind and while his vision was impaired by all the dust and smoke from the CT being destroyed...so you gotta give a little more

The smoke didn't help Itachi at all. Nagato is one of the BEST sensory ninja in the Naruto world. He can sense attacks without actually having to see them(Similar to Naruto when he fought Madara's Limbo Clones).

If Totsuka Blade wasn't so fast Nagato would have sensed it coming. But he didn't which just indicates that Totsuka is super fast.

Since Obito's Sharingan can not trace Totsuka he can not use Kamui in time to defend.
 

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It's simple, Obito phases through it because is in another dimension. The End
 

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He disabled kamui to attack Minato. Not that his kamui was slow. And totsuka would pass right through until and unlesd he deactivates kamui to attack.

Yeah, he did disable it. But remember. If it were not for Minato's SPEED Obito would have used it again.

Minato seized the opportunity and Obito simply could not react in time. Due to his Sharingan not being able to track that level of speed.
 

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Totsuka Blade does not work if it does not hit. The question isn't if the Totsuka blade works against obito, it's if Itachi can hit Obito at all. He was able to react to JJ Madara, who is faster than Itachi, so there's no reason to believe that Itachi can hit him.

Was JJ Madara moving at 1/1000th of a second or Faster?

You would have to prove that first.

Madara was fast but he wasn't moving at Light Speed.

If you watch Gai vs madara you will see that.


So unless Obito has evaded a Light Speed attack you can not say that he could evade Totsuka
 

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The smoke didn't help Itachi at all. Nagato is one of the BEST sensory ninja in the Naruto world. He can sense attacks without actually having to see them(Similar to Naruto when he fought Madara's Limbo Clones).

If Totsuka Blade wasn't so fast Nagato would have sensed it coming. But he didn't which just indicates that Totsuka is super fast.

Since Obito's Sharingan can not trace Totsuka he can not use Kamui in time to defend.

Nagato couldn't dodge Totsuke Blade because he couldn't move due to his immobility.

The Manga never stated that Totsuke blade is fast.
 

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Was JJ Madara moving at 1/1000th of a second or Faster?

You would have to prove that first.

Madara was fast but he wasn't moving at Light Speed.

If you watch Gai vs madara you will see that.


So unless Obito has evaded a Light Speed attack you can not say that he could evade Totsuka

Do you have proof that the Totsuka Blade itself can manifest in the same time you claim the Susanoo can manifest? Or that it was in fact 0.001 seconds that it took for the Susanoo to manifest? I love screwing with numbers, see my claim that Sakura can move at mach 255, but that seems unreasonable to assume.
 

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Yeah, he did disable it. But remember. If it were not for Minato's SPEED Obito would have used it again.

Minato seized the opportunity and Obito simply could not react in time. Due to his Sharingan not being able to track that level of speed.
It was obvious that minatos base speed was not enough. It was due to teleportation that he attacked him. If not for teleportation, not even the he coult touch him. and i dont believe that itachi could hit him with totsuka at speed equal to teleportation.
 

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Many people discredit Totsuka Blades lethality against Obito stating that Kamui would defend against it. But using Math and MangaPhax you will see that isn't true.

Kamui WOULD almost be a perfect defense if it were not for big flaws. Basically using the Sharingans Peircing Eye mentioned by kakashi in P1 he is able to track high speed threats and use Kamui to teleport parts of his body into the Other Dimension to defend accordingly.

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The only way to damage Obito is to either , go to the Other Dimension and damage the teleported portions of his Body.(Which would require Dimensional Transportation), or to damage Obito before he is able to teleport parts of his Body.

The only way to exploit the Kamui is to have a speed that the Sharingan can not effectively trace. AS displayed by Minato.

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So in order for Totsuka Blade to work it must be able to move at a speed that the Sharingan can not trace. And surprisingly enough the Anime/Manga has provided enough information on Totsuka Blade to prove it's speed.

Consider Itachi's fight against Sasuke. When Sasuke used Kirin, Black Zetsu stated that the attack moves at 1/1000th of a second... four times faster than sound. Even though Itachi had the Sharingan Black Zetsu and Sasuke said it was Unavoidable. Which means that it would be too fast to track with Sharingan otherwise he wouldn't have said that. Yet Itachi was able to Materialize his Susanoo before Kirin hit him. Which means he sucessfully materialized his Susanoo faster than kirin(1/1000th of a second).

Since Totsuka and Yata are both made from the same material as Susanoo we can rightfully assume that the materialization speed is the same if not even faster.(1/1000th of second). So technically Totsuka Blade moves at AT LEAST 1/1000th of a second which explains why Nagato hailed as one of the greatest Sensory Type Ninja was surprised when he was struck by it and even took him a few seconds to realize what happened. And the same for Orochimaru another great Sensory Ninja.

Considering that the Totsuka Blade is faster than Kirin and thus can not be traced by Sharingan, we can rightfully say that Obito would not be able to trace and use Kamui fast enough to evade Totsuka Blade similar to how he could not evade Flying Raijin Level 2.

pretty sad that his own student, someone who would know his masters intel and ability lose to someone who knows jack shiet. and i'm to believe this same guy can stomp itachi? lmao
 
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Was JJ Madara moving at 1/1000th of a second or Faster?

You would have to prove that first.

Madara was fast but he wasn't moving at Light Speed.

If you watch Gai vs madara you will see that.


So unless Obito has evaded a Light Speed attack you can not say that he could evade Totsuka
In no way any sensible person would believe that Itachi's totsuka launching speed was faster than any of JJ madara's. And Madara was stopping attack after teleportation like nothing. And we are talking about one ms obito.
 

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pretty sad that his own student, someone who would know his masters intel and ability lose to someone who knows jack shiet. and i'm to believe this same guy can stomp itachi? lmao

Which Obito are we talking about? Kid Obito who didnt have enough experience with Kamui or part 2 Obito. Yeah, I'm sure Itachi can beat obito that fought Minato(kid obito) in same way i m sure that Part 2 obito would beat part 1/part 2 itachi
 

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The smoke didn't help Itachi at all. Nagato is one of the BEST sensory ninja in the Naruto world. He can sense attacks without actually having to see them(Similar to Naruto when he fought Madara's Limbo Clones).

If Totsuka Blade wasn't so fast Nagato would have sensed it coming. But he didn't which just indicates that Totsuka is super fast.

Since Obito's Sharingan can not trace Totsuka he can not use Kamui in time to defend.

Um no, nagato senses chakra which totsuka blade isn't. it's sage mode that senses anything. don't confuse the two, also it has less to do with totsuka being fast and more to do with nagato not having visual perception with the lack of sharingan.
 

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Well, Totsuka Blade is used as an extension of Itachi's Susano'o which is composed of Chakra.
 

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Which Obito are we talking about? Kid Obito who didnt have enough experience with Kamui or part 2 Obito. Yeah, I'm sure Itachi can beat obito that fought Minato(kid obito) in same way i m sure that Part 2 obito would beat part 1/part 2 itachi

"experience with kamui"

pfft, that's the excuse? itachi mastered sharingan at age 10 and was an ANBU CAPTAIN at the age of 13 which was younger than obito was in his fight with minato. and from the way he was using kamui in that flashback, he seems to of have proficient his kamui quite well and i honestly don't see the difference between that kamui skill from the war arc obito with exception to enhancing his fire. and did you just say obito has a better chance of beating part 1 itachi? you do know part 1 itachi had shisui's eye right?
 
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