Totsuka and Yata isn't Chakra

[Mellanoma]

Because he activated it those times. He failed to do so here. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

The DB never said it's chakra because it isn't. The DB never stating the rest is irrelevant because it doesn't contradict what I just said. Like I said, just stop now if you think ancient weapons that predate the thought of an Itachi will coincidentally have the same color as his chakra.



The items are the same color, Manga or Anime. Also doesn't really change my other points.

You basing this off of chakra color? Ok you win I give up

 

[KidGamer65]

You basing this off of chakra color?

What you bolded is exactly what my premise is.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Already have supported it w/ evidence you've yet to address. If you can't address it just say so instead of making useless posts.

Conjecture=/=evidence.

The notion that Itachi would need to make the spiritual weapons more physical is intriguing, and a valid question about an apparent disrepency in the manga, but it is not fact or evidence, as nothing in the manga actually indicates it.

In fact, the manga contradicts your conjecture. The fact that Itachi had to find them shows that they existed in the physical plane, to one degree or another. Otherwise, it'd have been impossible for him to find it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Conjecture=/=evidence.

The notion that Itachi would need to make the spiritual weapons more physical is intriguing, and a valid question about an apparent disrepency in the manga, but it is not fact or evidence, as nothing in the manga actually indicates it.

I suggest you learn what the term conjecture actually means.

>Them being the same color as Itachi's Susanoo isn't conjecture. That's evidence. That's fact.
>Them having no real physical form isn't conjecture. That's evidence. That's fact. Stated in the databook.
>Thus Itachi needs to give them physical form somehow, that's an inference made from the above two facts.
>Them being made of chakra, while Itachi is using them, is another inference drawn from the fact they are identical to his Susanoo in color scheme and appear to be of the same material, which is chakra.

There is no conjecture here. The only thing this is lacking is a direct statement confirming what I've said. If you don't want to agree then that's fine by me. Doesn't change the validity of my claim nor does making useless post after useless post contribute a thing to this discussion. If you are going to post again address what is being said.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I suggest you learn what the term conjecture actually means.

>Them being the same color as Itachi's Susanoo isn't conjecture. That's evidence. That's fact.

This can be easily explained as being the result of the tools being incorporated into Susano'o, not that the tools are able to interact on the physical plane because of Itachi's chakra.

>Them having no real physical form isn't conjecture. That's evidence. That's fact. Stated in the databook.

This still doesn't mean that Itachi gave them a physical form with chakra. This also raises more holes; if the weapons don't exist on the physical plane without Itachi's chakra, how did Itachi find them?

>Thus Itachi needs to give them physical form somehow, that's an inference made from the above two facts.

Except it's not a fact that the tools can't operate on the physical plane without Itachi's chakra.

>Them being made of chakra, while Itachi is using them, is another inference drawn from the fact they are identical to his Susanoo in color scheme and appear to be of the same material, which is chakra.

Except these concepts aren't mutually inclusive. Them being the same color as Itachi's Susano'o does not mean they are made out of the same material.

 

[KidGamer65]

This can be easily explained as being the result of the tools being incorporated into Susano'o, not that the tools are able to interact on the physical plane because of Itachi's chakra.

If they are incorporated into his Susanoo and take on the same appearance as it, that means they are made of the same substance at that moment in time. Lmao you're doing all these mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that what you blatantly see in front of you is true.

If the tools had their own standalone form then they wouldn't need to take on any properties of Itachi's Susanoo. Susanoo adopting outside weapons causing said weapons to match it's every characteristic is a perfect example of conjecture.

This still doesn't mean that Itachi gave them a physical form with chakra. This also raises more holes; if the weapons don't exist on the physical plane without Itachi's chakra, how did Itachi find them?

On it's own obviously it doesn't so that's a useless critique. The bold is an irrelevant question because the answer to that question has nothing to do with what has been stated about their physical form.

Except it's not a fact that the tools can't operate on the physical plane without Itachi's chakra.

If they don't have a physical form they need something, regardless it being Itachi's chakra or not, to interact on the physical plane. Don't argue that objects without a physical form are physical on their own. That makes no sense. If they aren't physical, they cannot interact with physical objects on their own.

Except these concepts aren't mutually inclusive. Them being the same color as Itachi's Susano'o does not mean they are made out of the same material.

Come on now.

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When compared to other Susanoo and their weapons Yata and Totsuka appear no different, which is why I said they appear to be of the same material and match his personal chakra color.

So based on what I'm reading here, despite Yata and Totsuka looking like any normal Susanoo weapons (which are made of chakra) when in use by Itachi and also matching the color of his chakra to boot, they are actually not made of chakra when in use by Itachi. :lol