[Discussion] Top 9 Straw hat Characters

[ToshiZO]

Funny how you ignored Chopper's aggression towards Caesar throughout Zou and his conviction towards healing others, which remains as intact as other.

You're entire problem with Chopper is his design is made to sell toys, and that's why his character development is bad, and you expect anyone to take you seriously. Please.

Are you dumb? No shit thats gonna stay, you think he's just gonna say "**** helping people" as a doctor?

That would be some next level horseshit writing, Oda is far from stooping to that level.

You clearly didn't get the fact that his design and his actions go hand in hand. His entire demeanor in fights is not serious anymore, he is literally a cute joke character when it comes to any battle situation. He is not to be taken seriously, before he used to be.

Again design alone is not enough, his demeanor has changed for the worst. Become as linear as can be in battle.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are you dumb? No shit thats gonna stay, you think he's just gonna say "**** helping people" as a doctor?

That would be some next level horseshit writing, Oda is far from stooping to that level.

You clearly didn't get the fact that his design and his actions go hand in hand. His entire demeanor in fights is not serious anymore, he is literally a cute joke character when it comes to any battle situation. He is not to be taken seriously, before he used to be.

Again design alone is not enough, his demeanor has changed for the worst. Become as linear as can be in battle.

Who gives a shit if he looks cute as long as he gets the job done? Luffy looks like a ****ing retard every fight, and he gets the job done. You think Luffy being a giant fat ball bouncing around isn't a joke and is meant to be taken seriously?

 

[ToshiZO]

Who gives a shit if he looks cute as long as he gets the job done? Luffy looks like a ****ing retard every fight, and he gets the job done. You think Luffy being a giant fat ball bouncing around isn't a joke and is meant to be taken seriously?

He doesn't get shit done in battle for what his potential is, thats the point.

>His serious demeanor is gone
>He looks like a joke
>He doesn't get anything done in battle. AKA his role is the size of a peanut.

Luffy has his moments, but everyone knows how serious he can get.

The entire battle aspect of Chopper went down the gutter. He's only good for yelling for help as a part of the weakling trio, and its sad because he could have easily been around the top of the middle trio.

I can even argue he hasn't even done much in his own field.

 

[ssjelf]

I have to agree with toshizo about chopper. Brooke is getting the same treatment and honestly so is franky. It is a little better with franky because he got to fight senor pink but even that was a far cry from the franky we saw in water 5. And brooke was pretty interesting until the skip where he only makes bone and panty jokes.

I am really hoping that oda does some justice to these 3 with this new arc. Give them a serious fight. Also give nami something.

OT:
Based on overall likeability

luffy
zoro
robin
usopp - (liking him more and more lately)
nami
franky
chopper
brooke
sanji (at the bottom because he hasnt done anything that interesting since the skip and i hate his personality since the skip, hoping this arc does him justice)

 

[Love Cook]

The point about Chopper not running away any more because he looks like a monster was already established in the Drum island arc and once more with his new human form on Fishman island. You can blow that out of proportion and call it great development of his character but it really isn't that much.

You have to agree with Toshi that Oda turned him into a bit of a mascot which is kind of ironic since the it pretty much started after the marines called him a pet. And by Oda selling out, I guess he means that if you look at OP merch for kids you will see that Chopper is all over it.

But that is besides the point. I think it is a more interesting discussion to ask if there are too many strawhats aboard. Oda is constantly forced to split them up, they rarely interact with each other as a group. I really hope we don't get another nakama.

Oda chose to send Brook, Chopper, Nami and Sanji away for more than a year, and instead of putting emphasis on the rest we got the introduction of all kinds of other characters from Colosseum fighters to Doffy executives. If you look at the world building he has been doing it is fantastic and his timeline is on point and Don chinjao has his own flashback. it's all amazing but the only downside is that Kyros and Senior Pink at the end of the arc had a great back story, and Franky and Zoro have been chasing fairies and pushing the cage.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

You know? The title is misrepresented. Saying Top 9 while there is only 9 people in the crew no one goes above them. Not even passing the last. The crew isn't over 9 people. It's not Fairy Tail guild. So the title should be "How would you list StrawHats from first to last under what category"

 

[Relostar Devil]

Sanji
Robin
Luffy
Nami
Zoro
Brook
Franky
Ussop
Chopper

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Please, Sanji at least does something out of the ordinary every arc where other SH's tend to fulfill their usual roll. Sanji sacrificed and sabotaged on Ark Maxim, He became Mr. Prince in Alabasta, he opened the gates of justice in Ennies Lobby, led the marines in Punk Hazard and took charge on Zou.

He might not have the most dramatic backstory because Zeff was more of the star in that story, but the coming year will more the enough add to the character development. At least Brook is in the right spot, I have no clue why he is still aboard.

He is the least predictable crew member and just runs of to make a plot twist later on. That is why I don't get why Chopper is so high on your list. He wanted to become the world's best doctor to save his friends. Yet since the TS he wasn't able to save Luffy on his own, on Punk Hazard he needed law to save the children and in the latest chapter Luffy got saved by Reiju. Let's not even get started by his fighting record, he has almost no development since the timeskip whatsover.

True his character may have more to offer than zoro or the other less developed strawhats but if you look back at their first appearance each strawhat had somehow matured and had gotten rid of a bad aspect of their character, sanji on the other hand had gotten worse.
1st. He used to be one of the most trash-talking characters in baratie and now oda barely emphasizes that aspect of him anymore (at least when he's not with the strawhats, his dialogues with the Capone and his crew were rather nostalgic)

2- he used to be a ladies man, barely ever showing any of that nosebleed or other overused stupid pervert facial expressions. Worst case scenario, he'd have heart eyes but of course this negative side of him is shown more. Even if one argues that it's not negative as it's supposed to be funny, wouldn't you agree that the more it happens the more repetitive it gets?



And yes sanji is a good character, he is interesting but this makes his character development criticism even worse imo

 

[LBeezy]

Chopper looks AND acts like a plush toy.

Looks? I can give you that. BUT acts? I can't.

Monster point? That along with the other points died pre timeskip as well. He cutified each and every one of his forms.

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is him now. He is literally a bobble head toy.

You and I talking about these designs are purely opinion based, but I'll still say this as factually as possible..

I do think the old Horn point looks better. Tbh.. I do give you that one.

Monster point however looks the exact same. Only difference is, that now Chopper can control it, therefore he can smile with it.. lol

Heavy point actually looks more beastly now though.. you don't see how swole he looks in the new version compared to the old?

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Clear difference in what he is portrayed as.

I'm sorry but you can do this with literally every SH.

Show images of any one of them from the old days, pre timeskip.. and compare them to how they look now.. all the SH's look different..

This seems to be a natural occurrence with artists who draw the same characters for years and years.. the style changes over time.

My only real point here is this

Did Oda make Chopper look cuter over time? Yes.
Does that make Oda a sellout? No.

And its not only his looks that are shallow, his actions are all dead set on being cute. Like I said, where is the Chopper that was fighting main arc enemies? Think of Chopper taking down a priest the same as him taking down an executive in dressrosa, hard to imagine?

You hitting up Ebay anytime soon? I'm not saying Chopper didn't develop.

#1 among OP characters, no doubt he developed into a fantastic shelf toy.

I just don't think the designs of the SH's have effected their development as characters nor do I think it has effected Oda's story.

The Chopper that took down a priest on Skypeia is obviously not the same Chopper now.. Chopper is stronger now..

Just wait for the future arcs (maybe even this current arc) and Oda will give Chopper some time to shine with good fights. I can practically guarantee it bro.

 

[Love Cook]

True his character may have more to offer than zoro or the other less developed strawhats but if you look back at their first appearance each strawhat had somehow matured and had gotten rid of a bad aspect of their character, sanji on the other hand had gotten worse.
1st. He used to be one of the most trash-talking characters in baratie and now oda barely emphasizes that aspect of him anymore (at least when he's not with the strawhats, his dialogues with the Capone and his crew were rather nostalgic)

2- he used to be a ladies man, barely ever showing any of that nosebleed or other overused stupid pervert facial expressions. Worst case scenario, he'd have heart eyes but of course this negative side of him is shown more. Even if one argues that it's not negative as it's supposed to be funny, wouldn't you agree that the more it happens the more repetitive it gets?



And yes sanji is a good character, he is interesting but this makes his character development criticism even worse imo

What you're describing has nothing to do with character development. Him losing his trash talk side and being reduced to a pervert leads right into my second post in this topic.

There are too many characters aboard the Sunny and that is why group banter is now reduced to Food, cut, inventions, laser nipples, reading books, setting course, cooking, being praised and asking for panties.

the 9 strawhats became gimmicks instead of individuals. It was better when they had 6 on Arabasta and Drum.

 

[Bogard]

In terms of development then?

Luffy
Zoro
Robin
Usopp
Franky
Sanji(may go up depending on this arc)
Brook
Nami
Chopper

 

[Hexuze]

1. Robin
2. Usopp
3. Luffy
4. Franky
5. Nami/Sanji
6. Nami/Sanji
7. Chopper
8. Zoro
9. Brook