Top 6 most UNORIGINAL shinobi

[Sir Blades]

You were suggesting that Itachi should be on that list, when Minato is more deserving of it. I think it was worth pointing out that Minato is a better example to use.​

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That list you made for Itachi was 70% re-hash, and nobody asked you for an example when countless others had done so.
Summoning is unoriginal
That whole genjutsu crap all fits on one point
He didn't create a Myriad of genjutsu, countless others can do genjutsu as well, nothing original about that.
And that pre-deternmined outcome genjutsu is not even his, he was using Shisui's eye.
Yep you are right, Itachi is top 6 most UNORIGINAL. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

That list you made for Itachi was 70% re-hash, and nobody asked you for an example when countless others had done so.
Summoning is unoriginal
That whole genjutsu crap all fits on one point
He didn't create a Myriad of genjutsu, countless others can do genjutsu as well, nothing original about that.
And that pre-deternmined outcome genjutsu is not even his, he was using Shisui's eye.
Yep you are right, Itachi is top 6 most UNORIGINAL. Thanks for clarifying that.

Neither Itachi or Minato are even close to that list... U_U

 

[Sir Blades]

Neither Itachi or Minato are even close to that list... U_U

Again who da fuk is bringing up Minato.
Minato is number 12 in my list of favorite characters, do you understand?

 

[Avinash012]

They may be on a near level but Madara and the Uchiha clan was stressed and well as the senju clan so much because no one else can comepete... So I would have to say no one on your list has a serious chance to win unless they are from those clans because they are direct decendants of the SO6P U_U

But anyways my point is with out borrowed ability he is none the less, Top tier unlike the rest

Everyone in my list is a top tier (without borrowed powers) and can possibly beat Madara without borrowed powers/can push him to his limits ,Madara without borrowed powers is not even close to EMS Madara let alone Hashirama.
Being a dedescendant of Sage won't automatically make u a top dog
How many Senju's can beat Minato Mr.No clan of NV?
How many Uchiha's without borrowed powers can beat Minato?
Only name I can tell with confidence is Hashirama.
Madara might be able to beat him but I can't see MS Madara defeating Minato below high dif.

MS Madara is on the same level as Minato,Itachi,MS Sasuke,MS Izuna and MS Obito,nothing special.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Again who da fuk is bringing up Minato.
Minato is number 12 in my list of favorite characters, do you understand?

cry about it

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Again who da fuk is bringing up Minato.
Minato is number 12 in my list of favorite characters, do you understand?

Umm because that's what both of you was talking about? Itachi and Minato. :yeah:

 

[true enigma]

Everyone in my list is a top tier (without borrowed powers) and can possibly beat Madara without borrowed powers/can push him to his limits ,Madara without borrowed powers is not even close to EMS Madara let alone Hashirama.
Being a dedescendant of Sage won't automatically make u a top dog
How many Senju's can beat Minato Mr.No clan of NV?
How many Uchiha's without borrowed powers can beat Minato?
Only name I can tell with confidence is Hashirama.
Madara might be able to beat him but I can't see MS Madara defeating Minato below high dif.

MS Madara is on the same level as Minato,Itachi,MS Sasuke,MS Izuna and MS Obito,nothing special.

That's another debate I cant get in to at the moment but the original point is with out any borrowed ability he is top tier and does not need to rely on anothers ability to be so. Your argument is they might be able to win... Only Itachi, Hashi and Tobirama can and they are incredibly powerful.

That should tell you something

 

[Sir Blades]

Umm because that's what both of you was talking about? Itachi and Minato. :yeah:

I never brought up minato, i was talking about itachi and he brought it up, I never acknowledge that part. read carefully next time

 

[Avinash012]

Minato is the first one that comes to mind. His entire arsenal is unoriginal.

Frog summons, FTG, rasengan (alternate version of TBB) etc

There is a huge difference b/w earning money through work and borrowing it,in the same way there is a huge difference b/w borrowing powers and learning them.
U can take away the borrowed powers whenevery u want but u can't do that when the said power was learned by the user.
For example:
We can remove EMS from Sasuke but can't do the same for MS.
We can remove Kyuubi from Naruto but can't do the same for SM
Like this^^^^
U can't take away any of Minato abilities as none of them are borrowed.

That's another debate I cant get in to at the moment but the original point is with out any borrowed ability he is top tier and does not need to rely on anothers ability to be so. Your argument is they might be able to win... Only Itachi, Hashi and Tobirama can and they are incredibly powerful.

That should tell you something

I didn't get ur point here,U said that Hashirama is the only one that can stand upto Madara without borrowed power and I proved u wrong by providing a list of people that can stand upto Madara(without borrowed powers).
Here Iam not saying that Madara is not a top tier without borrwoed powers my point is that nothing is special about compared to people like Minato,Itachi,Tobirama,Sasuke and Izuna without borrowed powers.
Also going by ur logic Obito is still a top dog without borrowed powers, no one but Minato can counter Kamui so he shouldn't be on the list.

 

[true enigma]

There is a huge difference b/w earning money through work and borrowing it,in the same way there is a huge difference b/w borrowing powers and learning them.
U can take away the borrowed powers whenevery u want but u can't do that when the said power was learned by the user.
For example:
We can remove EMS from Sasuke but can't do the same for MS.
We can remove Kyuubi from Naruto but can't do the same for SM
Like this^^^^
U can't take away any of Minato abilities as none of them are borrowed.


I didn't get ur point here,U said that Hashirama is the only one that can stand upto Madara without borrowed power and I proved u wrong by providing a list of people that can stand upto Madara(without borrowed powers).
Here Iam not saying that Madara is not a top tier without borrwoed powers my point is that nothing is special about compared to people like Minato,Itachi,Tobirama,Sasuke and Izuna without borrowed powers.
Also going by ur logic Obito is still a top dog without borrowed powers, no one but Minato can counter Kamui so he shouldn't be on the list.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Senju DNA is a borrowed power and he needs that to live as well as to keep from going blind, not to mention izanagi.

Remember your facts and original argument.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

I never brought up minato, i was talking about itachi and he brought it up, I never acknowledge that part. read carefully next time

Talking about reading carefully, check my post, I said "that's what both of you was talking about?" as in you both was talking about Itachi and Minato.

 

[jiraiya lives]

wheres minato?

 

[Erza Scarlet]

wheres minato?

Minato doesn't have "borrowed power" creating a Jutsu by observing another doesn't mean it's borrowed power, neither does learning FTG (taking it to a new level) and learning seals from Kushina, mean that he's borrowed power from others. He's a prodigy, he has no "borrowed power".

 

[Avinash012]

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Senju DNA is a borrowed power and he needs that to live as well as to keep from going blind, not to mention izanagi.

Remember your facts and original argument.

Bro,Obito's injury is a different story,Obito is still an Uchiha and has MS,Senju DNA is to keep him alive ,he can still use Kamui even without Senju DNA ,Obito can't spam Kamui but that limited Kamui is more than enought to beat alot of strong dudes as there aren't many people that can counter it.

wheres minato?

Hope this helps

There is a huge difference b/w earning money through work and borrowing it,in the same way there is a huge difference b/w borrowing powers and learning them.
U can take away the borrowed powers whenevery u want but u can't do that when the said power was learned by the user.
For example:
We can remove EMS from Sasuke but can't do the same for MS.
We can remove Kyuubi from Naruto but can't do the same for SM
Like this^^^^
U can't take away any of Minato abilities as none of them are borrowed.

 

[Tera Path]

Jiraiya should be in there too IMO.

He has such awesome random techniques.

Bro, he can turn himself 2D.
He can turn people into frogs.
SM makes him into a half toad.

Only thing he doesn't have is borrowed power.

 

[Universal Man]

cant believe you forgot minato

spacetime nin >> tobirama
ftg >> tobirama/kushina
rds >> kushina
rasengan >> bijuu bomb

and more

 

[Avinash012]

Jiraiya should be in there too IMO.

He has such awesome random techniques.

Bro, he can turn himself 2D.
He can turn people into frogs.
SM makes him into a half toad.

Only thing he doesn't have is borrowed power.

Pretty sure u didn't read the thread.

cant believe you forgot minat

spacetime nin >> tobirama
ftg >> tobirama/kushina
rds >> kushina
rasengan >> bijuu bomb

and more

I guess I should spam the samething again and again.

There is a huge difference b/w earning money through work and borrowing it,in the same way there is a huge difference b/w borrowing powers and learning them.
U can take away the borrowed powers whenevery u want but u can't do that when the said power was learned by the user.
For example:
We can remove EMS from Sasuke but can't do the same for MS.
We can remove Kyuubi from Naruto but can't do the same for SM
Like this^^^^
U can't take away any of Minato abilities as none of them are borrowed.

 

[Universal Man]

Pretty sure u didn't read the thread.



I guess I should spam the samething again and again.

they arent borrowed they are copied, its worse and it makes him unoriginal.

thanks to kishi for ruining minato

 

[Avinash012]

they arent borrowed they are copied, its worse and it makes him unoriginal.

thanks to kishi for ruining minato

But OP is about borroewd/stole powers so ur argument is invalid here and no Minato's FTG is not a copy he developed his own version and same goes for Rasengan.

How many ninja's in NV developed their own jutsu's in the first place?
U can say that he did copied them if Minato gained access to those jutsu on a whim but he didn't learn them on a whim,he trained to learn them and the fact that only a few people can master those jutsu's proves how hard Minato trained to learn them.

 

[Tera Path]

Pretty sure u didn't read the thread.



I guess I should spam the samething again and again.

I did read it :cx

Maybe i just missunderstood you, because i still don't really know what it's supposed to be then.