The hypocrisy of human beings has no limits, you seem to be under the impression that most, if not all of what I said is based on guess work and speculation yet at least 80% of what you yourself have said in this post to disprove me is based on speculation and/or guess work, amazing.
Then you claim that the reaper seal was an uzumaki clan technique but provide absolutely. NOTHING to support that arguement when the other hand the thirds wordsto oro DIRECTLY imply that it was his.
I'm too lazy to go look at the manga pages but in the manga BOTH B and A have pointed out that Minato used Uzumaki techs to create FTG, so I don't know what the hell you were tryna prove with that one.
Minato's plans for naruto based on LUCK? What nonsense is this? So you think using the reaper seal to weaken the fox by sealing away the yin into himself so that naruto has a better chance to control the fox is guess work?
You say that Naruto could have been broken by the villagers' hate and imply that minato didn't account for that? Maybe you should read the manga better dawg, Minato sealed himself into naruto and set it up to appear in his mindscape when he released eight tails, case in point, naruto was broken by pain when he killed hinata in front of him, naruto became overwhelmed with hate, and the kyubi used his hate to try and take over him and minato appeared and solved the issue, if the villagers broke him, same thing, kyubi would use that hate to take over and minato would be there ehen eight tails were released and save him, there is no luck there mate, that was a brilliant plan, minato made provision for such a situation.
You say that naruto could have died, dude he is a jinchuuriki, obviously the sandaime would watch out for him until he became a ninja, besides, minato accounted for that too, he set merged two four elements seal to create the eight trigams seal and set it so that the seal would continuously siphon some of the kyubi's chakra into naruto, giving him the monstrous reserves that he has and partly accounting for his accelerated healing abilities, these two things would keep naruto alive whatever tough situation he was in. He accounted for naruto's safety too dawg.
Another method to ensure his safety was sending that toad to hide inside Jiraiya with the key to the seal, this way it would be almost certain that Jiraiya would be obliged to train naruto or at least they wouild have to meet each other and Jiraiya could help him, also the key would probably be safer there then at the hokage office (forbidden scroll got stolen by a genin naruto).
Man he knew that a jinchuuriki needed love to become a perfect jinchuuriki and sealed kushina into naruto and set it up for her to appear when he tried to take over the kyubi's power, her chakra chains would also be useful.
Dawg he set up all the above things and accounted for every possible scenario, did all this under extcruciating time contraints and duress with so much he had to do at the time and so much he had to worry about, I won't say he had an ability to see the future but dawg, this guy can't be denied, his intelligence and ability to think under pressure is amazing and to plan so far ahead mayn under those conditions? Nah man, if you keep tryna play him down you're only gonna make you self seem very ignorant and childish, let go of your hate dawg, there was no luck in his plans for naruto, It was a brilliantly constructed plan under near impossible conditions, let go of your hate mayn or you'll end up like sasuke.
And wow mayn to take away his victory over tobi, ahahahahah! Mayn that has gotta be one of the most rediculous things I've heard on this website, lmao! (Cry endless tears).
Ma man ma man ma man.....ma man, I can't believe how you say that he was there toonly delay the fox and then left when his job was done, lmao, right like the fourth totally didn't take away his control of the fox with the contract seal, and he totally didn't injure tobi with his rasengan, dawg tobi was forced to retreat, he lost control of the kyubi to minato and got critically injured, I can't believ yuou tried to pass it off as if hejust left of his own accord.
Izanagi doesn't heal damage so far from what we have seen, so he had to retreat, he used Izanagi against konan but when he appeared after izanagi, his face mask was STILL broken, and hearm was STILL missing, so far people have used izanagi to tuirn death into an illution and evidence against danzo and tobi shows that injuries and chakra reserves aren't replenished (karin noted that danzo's chakra too massive dips everytime he used it), izanagi didn't work because he couldn't activate it in time and got injured, minato was too fast, he was forced to retreat dawg, accept the facts.
And saying tobi wasn't blood lusted against minato? Oh my lord, so he totally didn't trap him with his chain and then try to absorb him with his jutsu right? Because he was just playing games and stalling without attacking anyone just like he was against kakashi and his squad at the Itachi vs sasuke arc? Get real bra, I told you before, hate is only gonna undermine your intelligence, just look at sasuke for reference.
You make the excuse for Itachi that he didn't fight tobi in battle so he couldn't have figured out the weakness to his jutsu, let me ask you then, when did konan fight tobi before their battle in ame? She had already figured out everything to the most minute detail BEFORE the battle in ame and set her traps for him, so your he didn't face him in combat excuse is LAME, let me tell you why.
Tobi told sasuke that Itachi tried to 'silence him forever' with amaterusu so that he wouldn't tell sasuke the truth.
Now let me pint out the difference between Konan and Itachi's plan/jutsu.
Konan figured out that it takes approximately five minutes before tobi can't be intangible anymore, so she set an explosion that would last for 10 minutes. Now evidence points towrds the direction that Itachi figured THIS part out too, since amaterusu can like last for days, it would outlast tobi's intangibility.
But konan went further with her analysis, she figured out that he couldn't stay intangible and absorb things at the same time, it had to be one or the other, and also that it takes longer for him to absorb HIMSELF then other people or things, so the explosion would get him before he fully absorbed himself, another method would have been to absorb. The explosion, but the explosion is way too large, he wouldn't have enough time before he was blown to bits.
Amaterusu on the other hand ignites everything it touches but it has never incinerated something an an instant, it took a while to burn the forest when Itachi face sasuke, it took a while to kill the snake that escaped from Orochimaru's yamata no jutsu, took a while to burn sasuke, took a while to burn the samurai at the kage summit, unlike 'onan's explosion, whixh would have been almost instant kill, tobi can absorb amaterusu long before it burns him and can even absorb himself before it burns him, and unlike konan's wide range explosion, amaterusu that burns him is relatively quick and easy to absorb, Tobi didn't need izanagi to escape Itachi's amaterusu, his space time jutsu were enough to deal with it based on the manga scenes and info I have pointed out, now this is where my point comes in, unlike konan, Itachi didn't figure out these strengths and weaknesses, otherwise he would have known that amaterusu would not have been enough to 'silence tobi forever'. It is pretty clear that Itachi couldn't achieve what konan did in figuring out tobi's weaknesses.
Now you say konan had been planning to kill tobi for years? How many years has Itachi planned to silence tobi forever?
And what proof do you have that konan planned it for years? Because konan and nagato only betrayed tobi because of naruto's talk no jutsu, so how is it that you have come to the conclusion that konan planned this for years? Not that I'm saying you're lying, but there is a clear plot hole in your statement and youy have not quoted anything to support it?
You say that tobi wouldn't have just revealed all his strengths and weaknesses to Itachi, as if he would have done that to konan, what makes you think he told konan about his abilities? Fact is konan figured it out on her own and Itachi couldn't figure it out even though he PLANNED to 'silence him forever' with amaterusu, konan only betrayed tobi because nagato did after naruto's talk no jutsu, logically, it would mean that she only planned tobi's death after that incident, Itachi planned it for years and didn't figure it out based on his actions, Izanagi, as I explained above had nothing to do with it, and I know you don't have manga fact to prove that tobi used izanagi against amaterusu.
Right now you deny that Tobi and zetsu saw through Itachi like an open book and claim that Tobi's feat of knowing Itachi's secrete proves nothing, that is what is called deluding yourself ma man. Strange how you contradict yourself, you say that these guys kept secretes from each to somehow defend itachi from not figuring out what konan did, but then this somehow doesn't apply to this scenario? Dude no one knew that Itachi was a double agent besides the elders, Itachi tried to foll tobi by asking for help to kill the uchiha clan in exchange that itachi would help him with his akatsuki goals. But tobi saw through that, he figured out that Itachi was actually working for the elders and the sandaime and aslo figured out that Itachi didn't truly want to help with akatsuki and was actually a double agent, I don't know how on earth you can say it is obvious tobi kknew based on the fact that the elders also knew it, as if tobi was part of the elders council or something.
Dude when Naruto told Itachi that he knew the truth and that tobi told him, Itachi was shocked that tobi knew all this time and cursed tobi, if that isn't enough proof that Itachi was outsmarted I don't know what is, because clearly from that scene Itachi was shocked that Tobi knew.
Zetsu shocked by Itachi's strength? Where did you get that crap? Throughout the fight zestsu was pointing descrepancies in Itachi's prowess, noting that Itachi was underperforming and should be doing much better than he was, saying that something was wrong, dude it was the other way around, zetsu wasn't shocked by Itachi's strength, he was shocked that Itachi was performing so badly. And black zetsu knew what the yata mirror and totsuka sword were and exolained them to white zetsu, he was never shocked by Itachi's strength, he was shocked by Itachi's low level perdormance, which was due to illness, the only thing that Itachi managed to hide from tobi and zetsu's eyes was his illness, and even that was discovered eventually, dude those guys saw through him like an open book, Itachi failed to deceive and outsmart them.
Now you say that the guy that killed the clan with itachi might have been the real madara, but have no evidence to support your claim, pure speculation.
I also don't have ABSOLUTE evidence that it was or not, but I have morte thann enough substantial evidence.
1) Real madara has been ressurected by kabuto, and since very other edo that has been ressurected looked exactly the age they were when they died and the clothing that they wore. Then it would be impossible that the madara that killed the uchiha with itachi was real madara, he would have looked as old as dirt at the time, the madara that has been ressurected looked exactly like the one that fought hashirama, clothing and age, he would have died shortly after that battle.
2) The sandaime mizukage that kisame saw looked exactly like the one that Itachi was shown to meet at the forest to ask for help, in terms of hair style, mask design, and clothing style, now the sandaime mizukage revealed his face to kisame in that scene, and then YEARS later, TOBI removed his mask and showed kisame his face, and Kisame acknowledged him as the same person he saw when the sandaime removed his mask, so safe to say, Tobi has worn that mask that the sandaime wore, toi bi had long hair too, and tobi wore that clothing, because kisame confirmed those two people to be one and the same, you get it now right?
3) If real madara had been alive too at the time, he probably would have attacked Konoha and the fourth himself instead of sending Tobi.
4) The first thing that Madara said when he was ressurected was that nagto boy has finally grown, meaning that he expected to be ressurected by nagato when he grew up, his words imply that he knew nagato as a little kid, and that woukd have been before the second shinobi war, since jiraiya met the orphans during the second war, that implies that madara was long dead before the uchiha massacre.
So there is my evidence, circumstancial for the most part but irrefutable. Itachi killed the uchi with tobi's help, not real madara.
You say that any jounin could have figured out kakashi's weakness after they saw him fight? Ahahahahaha! Mayn you crack me up dawg, you do know that KAKASHI HIMSELF was a JOUNIN at the time right? Which Jounin from konoha do you know that is smarter then Kakashi? Kakashi, a jounin, cdidnt figure out the weakness of HIS OWN technique, and you claim that any jounin could have figured it out, amazing mayn, you are really incredible mayn LMAO!
And dawg from your words, it sounds like you're saying that a jounin would figure out the weakness of the jutsu after kakashi used it and the reasons why, but if it was AFTER, then kakashi wiuld be dead now, dude, in order to save him, Minato had to figure it out BEFORE the weakness was exploited, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to save him from that guy.
Dude Kakashi is one of the smartest shinobi in the elemental nations and was a JOUNIN when he FAILED to figure out the eweakness of HIS OWN jutsu, your jounin theory is crap, a normal jounin wouldn't have achieved that feat, Kakashi is proof.
Dude as far as I'm concerned, the only thing you proved to me was the chibaku tensei thing, I went and read the whole chapter again at mangabit.com, and yeah, you're right about that one, the only thing that naruto told him was that the gravity pull is too strong and that he only escaped becauser of the fox, I will have to apologise to all the Itachi fans that I have insulted about that one, Itachi figured out the weakness himself yo, though how he would have destroyed it without B's TBB and Naruto's FRS is another debate on its own.
Either then the Itachi/chibaku tensei ish, I don't know what the hell you were talking about, pure gibberish and speculation dawg, hypocrisy at its highest level for accusing me and then trying to do the same to disprove me without manga fact, its like tryoing to stop a fire with petrol gas.
